Car tax runs out the end of this month.

Car being traded in on 2nd of next month.

Don't suppose DVLA's computer would overlook the 2 days and doubt
whether the garage will backdate their ownership of the car.

Looks like the best option is to drop the car off on the 28th and manage
without until the new one is available on the 2nd.

Don't really want to tax for 6 or 12 months and get 5 or 11 months back.

Any other ideas?

TIA for any.

On Feb 17, 2:54 pm, Invisible Man wrote:
Car tax runs out the end of this month.

Car being traded in on 2nd of next month.

Don't suppose DVLA's computer would overlook the 2 days and doubt
whether the garage will backdate their ownership of the car.

Looks like the best option is to drop the car off on the 28th and manage
without until the new one is available on the 2nd.

Don't really want to tax for 6 or 12 months and get 5 or 11 months back.

Any other ideas?

TIA for any.

strongly suggest the new car salesman helps you out with the use of a
demo or something else for the 48 (or at least 24) hours?

JimK

On 17/02/2010 14:54, Invisible Man wrote:
Car tax runs out the end of this month.

Car being traded in on 2nd of next month.

Don't suppose DVLA's computer would overlook the 2 days and doubt
whether the garage will backdate their ownership of the car.

Looks like the best option is to drop the car off on the 28th and manage
without until the new one is available on the 2nd.

IME you have 1 month before the DVLA will issue a fine.

There is still the problem of being caught by ANPR on the way there on
the 2nd - how about booking a MOT test?

In article , Invisible Man
writes
Car tax runs out the end of this month.

Car being traded in on 2nd of next month.

Don't suppose DVLA's computer would overlook the 2 days and doubt
whether the garage will backdate their ownership of the car.

Looks like the best option is to drop the car off on the 28th and manage
without until the new one is available on the 2nd.

To be squeaky clean you will have to SORN it and deliver it to the
dealer's premises before end of play 28th Feb, that will avoid any audit
of the vehicle's history showing it as untaxed. Make sure you send the
appropriate parts of your V5 to DVLA (whatever the dealer may say about
it) and check that you receive a confirmation of the transfer from DVLA
or keep chasing them until they do.
--
fred
BBC3, ITV2/3/4, channels going to the DOGs

"Jim" wrote in message
...
On 17/02/2010 14:54, Invisible Man wrote:
Car tax runs out the end of this month.

Car being traded in on 2nd of next month.

Don't suppose DVLA's computer would overlook the 2 days and doubt
whether the garage will backdate their ownership of the car.

Looks like the best option is to drop the car off on the 28th and manage
without until the new one is available on the 2nd.

IME you have 1 month before the DVLA will issue a fine.

Not any more. They expect it to be taxed or SORNED with no leeway.

Peter Crosland

Invisible Man wrote:
Car tax runs out the end of this month.

Car being traded in on 2nd of next month.

Don't suppose DVLA's computer would overlook the 2 days and doubt
whether the garage will backdate their ownership of the car.

Looks like the best option is to drop the car off on the 28th and manage
without until the new one is available on the 2nd.


yup. And either register a SORN or simply say 'not my car'

Don't really want to tax for 6 or 12 months and get 5 or 11 months back.

Any other ideas?

TIA for any.

Invisible Man wrote:
Car tax runs out the end of this month.

Car being traded in on 2nd of next month.

Don't suppose DVLA's computer would overlook the 2 days and doubt
whether the garage will backdate their ownership of the car.

Looks like the best option is to drop the car off on the 28th and manage
without until the new one is available on the 2nd.

Don't really want to tax for 6 or 12 months and get 5 or 11 months back.

Any other ideas?

TIA for any.

According to our son who is a member of Manchester police, the DVLA, nor
the police would get involved until after the time that it takes for the
DVLA computer to catch up. I don't know the number of days, but I would
expect it to be more than two. The police can phone insurance companies
up, but that is subject to even longer delays.

Dave

On 17/02/2010 18:56, Dave wrote:
Invisible Man wrote:
Car tax runs out the end of this month.

Car being traded in on 2nd of next month.

Don't suppose DVLA's computer would overlook the 2 days and doubt
whether the garage will backdate their ownership of the car.

Looks like the best option is to drop the car off on the 28th and
manage without until the new one is available on the 2nd.

Don't really want to tax for 6 or 12 months and get 5 or 11 months back.

Any other ideas?

TIA for any.

According to our son who is a member of Manchester police, the DVLA, nor
the police would get involved until after the time that it takes for the
DVLA computer to catch up. I don't know the number of days, but I would
expect it to be more than two. The police can phone insurance companies
up, but that is subject to even longer delays.

Dave

Thanks Dave. I am not so worried about getting pulled over or having the
car picked up by a camera. I just think that if I send DVLA notice that
I sold the car on the 2nd they will want an explanation of where it was
for the 2 days since the road fund license expired.

On Feb 17, 7:18 pm, Invisible Man wrote:
On 17/02/2010 18:56, Dave wrote:



Invisible Man wrote:
Car tax runs out the end of this month.

Car being traded in on 2nd of next month.

Don't suppose DVLA's computer would overlook the 2 days and doubt
whether the garage will backdate their ownership of the car.

Looks like the best option is to drop the car off on the 28th and
manage without until the new one is available on the 2nd.

Don't really want to tax for 6 or 12 months and get 5 or 11 months back.

Any other ideas?

TIA for any.

According to our son who is a member of Manchester police, the DVLA, nor
the police would get involved until after the time that it takes for the
DVLA computer to catch up. I don't know the number of days, but I would
expect it to be more than two. The police can phone insurance companies
up, but that is subject to even longer delays.

Dave

Thanks Dave. I am not so worried about getting pulled over or having the
car picked up by a camera. I just think that if I send DVLA notice that
I sold the car on the 2nd they will want an explanation of where it was
for the 2 days since the road fund license expired.

so:-

could/will they *make* you retrospectively apply for a 6month tax
disc from which you subsequently reclaim 5months tax? and is there a
fine? Ring em up and ask hypothetically?

faling that tell em you sold it on 28th even though you still drove it
(fully insured etc) for 2 days more? if plod's not gonna get you who
will?

JimK

Invisible Man wrote:
Car tax runs out the end of this month.

Car being traded in on 2nd of next month.

Don't suppose DVLA's computer would overlook the 2 days and doubt
whether the garage will backdate their ownership of the car.

Any other ideas?

Get them to collect on trade plates?

Prebook an MOT at the garage, then cancel it when you arrive there?

Theo

On Feb 17, 2:54*pm, Invisible Man wrote:
Car tax runs out the end of this month.

Car being traded in on 2nd of next month.

Don't suppose DVLA's computer would overlook the 2 days and doubt
whether the garage will backdate their ownership of the car.

Looks like the best option is to drop the car off on the 28th and manage
without until the new one is available on the 2nd.

Don't really want to tax for 6 or 12 months and get 5 or 11 months back.

Any other ideas?

TIA for any.

The garage is going to have to tax it. Why don't you renew the tax as
usual and get the garage to adjust the price to inlcude the (6 months
-2days) of tax.

Robert

In message , Jim
writes
On 17/02/2010 14:54, Invisible Man wrote:
Car tax runs out the end of this month.

Car being traded in on 2nd of next month.

Don't suppose DVLA's computer would overlook the 2 days and doubt
whether the garage will backdate their ownership of the car.

Looks like the best option is to drop the car off on the 28th and manage
without until the new one is available on the 2nd.

IME you have 1 month before the DVLA will issue a fine.

There is still the problem of being caught by ANPR on the way there on
the 2nd - how about booking a MOT test?

This happened to the son of someone who works for me - so it does happen




--
geoff

JimK wrote:

faling that tell em you sold it on 28th even though you still drove it
(fully insured etc) for 2 days more? if plod's not gonna get you who
will?


The DVLA computer. It's a source of revenue...

Why don't you just drop it off 2 days early and declare it SORN?


Andy

RobertL wrote:
On Feb 17, 2:54 pm, Invisible Man wrote:
Car tax runs out the end of this month.

Car being traded in on 2nd of next month.

Don't suppose DVLA's computer would overlook the 2 days and doubt
whether the garage will backdate their ownership of the car.

Looks like the best option is to drop the car off on the 28th and manage
without until the new one is available on the 2nd.

Don't really want to tax for 6 or 12 months and get 5 or 11 months back.

Any other ideas?

TIA for any.

The garage is going to have to tax it.

No garage ever taxes a car.
Its SORN or something.


Why don't you renew the tax as
usual and get the garage to adjust the price to inlcude the (6 months
-2days) of tax.

Robert

Jim wrote:
On 17/02/2010 14:54, Invisible Man wrote:
Car tax runs out the end of this month.

Car being traded in on 2nd of next month.

Don't suppose DVLA's computer would overlook the 2 days and doubt
whether the garage will backdate their ownership of the car.

Looks like the best option is to drop the car off on the 28th and manage
without until the new one is available on the 2nd.

IME you have 1 month before the DVLA will issue a fine.

There is still the problem of being caught by ANPR on the way there on
the 2nd - how about booking a MOT test?

I did that with the daughters car when we met at Warwick services and I
brought it up to Preston to get an MOT and looked at for a water leak.
Garage owner laughed his head of, but agreed there was nothing the
police could do about it, because it was on its way for a pre booked
MOT. The law does not stipulate were, or how far away, the MOT station
should be. It passed, with no recommendation's, by the way.

Dave

I did that with the daughters car when we met at Warwick services and I
brought it up to Preston to get an MOT and looked at for a water leak.
Garage owner laughed his head of, but agreed there was nothing the
police could do about it, because it was on its way for a pre booked
MOT. The law does not stipulate were, or how far away, the MOT station
should be. It passed, with no recommendation's, by the way.

Dave

I did this for many years when I lived in a bus (which had insurance but
no tax.)
When eviction / site moving time came,
book an MOT,
go for MOT,
pass or fail,
return to new site.

[g]

"george [dicegeorge]" wrote in message
...


I did that with the daughters car when we met at Warwick services and I
brought it up to Preston to get an MOT and looked at for a water leak.
Garage owner laughed his head of, but agreed there was nothing the police
could do about it, because it was on its way for a pre booked MOT. The
law does not stipulate were, or how far away, the MOT station should be.
It passed, with no recommendation's, by the way.

Dave

I did this for many years when I lived in a bus (which had insurance but
no tax.)
When eviction / site moving time came,
book an MOT,
go for MOT,
pass or fail,

You do understand the difference between driving a car with no MOT and
driving an MOT failure?
Check that your insurance is valid if you are driving an un-roadworthy car.

return to new site.

[g]

dennis@home wrote:


You do understand ..

Yes Dennis. WE understand.

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
dennis@home wrote:


You do understand ..

Yes Dennis. WE understand.


Are you sure?.. you do keep coming out with cr@p.

dennis@home wrote:


"george [dicegeorge]" wrote in message
...


I did that with the daughters car when we met at Warwick services and
I brought it up to Preston to get an MOT and looked at for a water leak.
Garage owner laughed his head of, but agreed there was nothing the
police could do about it, because it was on its way for a pre booked
MOT. The law does not stipulate were, or how far away, the MOT
station should be. It passed, with no recommendation's, by the way.

Dave

I did this for many years when I lived in a bus (which had insurance
but no tax.)
When eviction / site moving time came,
book an MOT,
go for MOT,
pass or fail,

You do understand the difference between driving a car with no MOT and
driving an MOT failure?
Check that your insurance is valid if you are driving an un-roadworthy car.

return to new site.

[g]

yes its much more serious driving an unroadworthy vehicle than an
un-moted one,
legally morally and dangerously,
but you can fail a MOT if the indicator light flashing indicator bulb is
loose!

[g]

On 17/02/2010 22:47, dennis@home wrote:


"george [dicegeorge]" wrote in message
...


I did that with the daughters car when we met at Warwick services and
I brought it up to Preston to get an MOT and looked at for a water leak.
Garage owner laughed his head of, but agreed there was nothing the
police could do about it, because it was on its way for a pre booked
MOT. The law does not stipulate were, or how far away, the MOT
station should be. It passed, with no recommendation's, by the way.

Dave

I did this for many years when I lived in a bus (which had insurance
but no tax.)
When eviction / site moving time came,
book an MOT,
go for MOT,
pass or fail,

You do understand the difference between driving a car with no MOT and
driving an MOT failure?
Check that your insurance is valid if you are driving an un-roadworthy car.

return to new site.

[g]

Probably time I apologised for starting an OT subject. I did however
have no idea it would lead to the old MoT/unroadworthiness/insurance
discussion.
I suppose I could get out my angle grinder and take it to the dealer in
pieces, stick it back together with body filler and the WD40 must come
in somewhere.
Will probably get the dealer to sign for the car on the 28th so it is no
longer my car when the tax is due. Hoping the same dealer will collect
our other car for service on the 2nd and give me a lift to pick up the
new one.

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "dennis@home"
saying something like:

I did this for many years when I lived in a bus (which had insurance but
no tax.)
When eviction / site moving time came,
book an MOT,
go for MOT,
pass or fail,

You do understand the difference between driving a car with no MOT and
driving an MOT failure?
Check that your insurance is valid if you are driving an un-roadworthy car.

the point .

Dennis, you've missed it, again.

The poster didn't actually say his old MoT had run out, did he?
You can get a vehicle MoTd as often as you like.

george [dicegeorge] wrote:


I did that with the daughters car when we met at Warwick services and
I brought it up to Preston to get an MOT and looked at for a water leak.
Garage owner laughed his head of, but agreed there was nothing the
police could do about it, because it was on its way for a pre booked
MOT. The law does not stipulate were, or how far away, the MOT station
should be. It passed, with no recommendation's, by the way.

Dave

I did this for many years when I lived in a bus (which had insurance but
no tax.)
When eviction / site moving time came,
book an MOT,
go for MOT,
pass or fail,
return to new site.

[g]

The law is an ass :-)

Dave

"george [dicegeorge]" wrote in message
...

yes its much more serious driving an unroadworthy vehicle than an un-moted
one,
legally morally and dangerously,
but you can fail a MOT if the indicator light flashing indicator bulb is
loose!

There is also documented proof that it was un-roadworthy when you left the
MOT station.
Mine failed last year.. faulty headlight.. it went during the beam alignment
test. 8-(
Fist time I have ever failed an MOT and I must have had 50+ of them.

"Grimly Curmudgeon" wrote in message
...
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "dennis@home"
saying something like:

I did this for many years when I lived in a bus (which had insurance but
no tax.)
When eviction / site moving time came,
book an MOT,
go for MOT,
pass or fail,

You do understand the difference between driving a car with no MOT and
driving an MOT failure?
Check that your insurance is valid if you are driving an un-roadworthy
car.

the point .

Dennis, you've missed it, again.

The poster didn't actually say his old MoT had run out, did he?
You can get a vehicle MoTd as often as you like.

Its still an un-roadworthy car if it fails, or did you miss that?

"dennis@home" gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying:

The poster didn't actually say his old MoT had run out, did he? You can
get a vehicle MoTd as often as you like.

Its still an un-roadworthy car if it fails, or did you miss that?

It'd be unroadworthy even without taking it to the test centre.

"Dave" wrote in message
...
Jim wrote:
On 17/02/2010 14:54, Invisible Man wrote:
Car tax runs out the end of this month.

Car being traded in on 2nd of next month.

Don't suppose DVLA's computer would overlook the 2 days and doubt
whether the garage will backdate their ownership of the car.

Looks like the best option is to drop the car off on the 28th and
manage
without until the new one is available on the 2nd.

IME you have 1 month before the DVLA will issue a fine.

There is still the problem of being caught by ANPR on the way
there on
the 2nd - how about booking a MOT test?

I did that with the daughters car when we met at Warwick services
and I
brought it up to Preston to get an MOT and looked at for a water
leak.
Garage owner laughed his head of, but agreed there was nothing the
police could do about it, because it was on its way for a pre booked
MOT. The law does not stipulate were, or how far away, the MOT
station
should be. It passed, with no recommendation's, by the way.

Dave

Many many years ago I was 'done' for no MOT on my Frog Eyed Sprite, as
although I was on the way to a pre-booked MOT I stopped at a 'hole in
the wall' to get cash to pay for the MOT! Apparently you have to go
'directly' to the garage.

AWEM

On Feb 17, 11:24 pm, Invisible Man wrote:
On 17/02/2010 22:47, dennis@home wrote:



"george [dicegeorge]" wrote in message
...

I did that with the daughters car when we met at Warwick services and
I brought it up to Preston to get an MOT and looked at for a water leak.
Garage owner laughed his head of, but agreed there was nothing the
police could do about it, because it was on its way for a pre booked
MOT. The law does not stipulate were, or how far away, the MOT
station should be. It passed, with no recommendation's, by the way.

Dave

I did this for many years when I lived in a bus (which had insurance
but no tax.)
When eviction / site moving time came,
book an MOT,
go for MOT,
pass or fail,

You do understand the difference between driving a car with no MOT and
driving an MOT failure?
Check that your insurance is valid if you are driving an un-roadworthy car.

return to new site.

[g]

Probably time I apologised for starting an OT subject. I did however
have no idea it would lead to the old MoT/unroadworthiness/insurance
discussion.
I suppose I could get out my angle grinder and take it to the dealer in
pieces, stick it back together with body filler and the WD40 must come
in somewhere.
Will probably get the dealer to sign for the car on the 28th so it is no
longer my car when the tax is due. Hoping the same dealer will collect
our other car for service on the 2nd and give me a lift to pick up the
new one.

maybe look for another dealer if he *can't* help a regular customer on
this trifling issue !?!

On Feb 17, 8:59 pm, Andy Champ wrote:
JimK wrote:

faling that tell em you sold it on 28th even though you still drove it
(fully insured etc) for 2 days more? if plod's not gonna get you who
will?

The DVLA computer. It's a source of revenue...


shurely they'll be after the buyer/garage rather than OP/seller?

JimK

On Feb 18, 8:04*am, "dennis@home"
wrote:
"Grimly Curmudgeon" wrote in message

...





We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "dennis@home"
saying something like:

I did this for many years when I lived in a bus (which had insurance but
no tax.)
When eviction / site moving time came,
book an MOT,
go for MOT,
pass or fail,

You do understand the difference between driving a car with no MOT and
driving an MOT failure?
Check that your insurance is valid if you are driving an un-roadworthy
car.

the point .

Dennis, you've missed it, again.

The poster didn't actually say his old MoT had run out, did he?
You can get a vehicle MoTd as often as you like.

Its still an un-roadworthy car if it fails, or did you miss that?-


Is it? That would mean that if the car fails the MoT but has an
unexpired existing MoT it still cannot be driven on theroad. I
thougth there were two grades of fail for the MoT and only the more
serious one meant you could not drive it away.

In the old days there was a special red failure certificate for
"unsafe to drive on the road".

Robert

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "dennis@home"
saying something like:

The poster didn't actually say his old MoT had run out, did he?
You can get a vehicle MoTd as often as you like.

Its still an un-roadworthy car if it fails, or did you miss that?

No, it's not necessarily.
You ought to learn the difference between 'unroadworthy' and 'MoT
failure'.

"JimK" wrote in message
...
On Feb 17, 2:54 pm, Invisible Man wrote:
Car tax runs out the end of this month.

Car being traded in on 2nd of next month.

Don't suppose DVLA's computer would overlook the 2 days and doubt
whether the garage will backdate their ownership of the car.

Looks like the best option is to drop the car off on the 28th and manage
without until the new one is available on the 2nd.

Don't really want to tax for 6 or 12 months and get 5 or 11 months back.

Any other ideas?

TIA for any.

strongly suggest the new car salesman helps you out with the use of a
demo or something else for the 48 (or at least 24) hours?

JimK

A loan of some trade plates?

Adam

"ARWadsworth" gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying:

strongly suggest the new car salesman helps you out with the use of a
demo or something else for the 48 (or at least 24) hours?

A loan of some trade plates?

Only if they want their trade plates withdrawing.

On Feb 18, 11:38*am, Grimly Curmudgeon
wrote:
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "dennis@home"
saying something like:

The poster didn't actually say his old MoT had run out, did he?
You can get a vehicle MoTd as often as you like.

Its still an un-roadworthy car if it fails, or did you miss that?

No, it's not necessarily.
You ought to learn the difference between 'unroadworthy' and 'MoT
failure'.

Suggest you look at the response from VOSA on http://www.mottest.net/mot/mot-failure-question/

MBQ

Man at B&Q wrote:
On Feb 18, 11:38 am, Grimly Curmudgeon
wrote:
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "dennis@home"
saying something like:

The poster didn't actually say his old MoT had run out, did he?
You can get a vehicle MoTd as often as you like.
Its still an un-roadworthy car if it fails, or did you miss that?
No, it's not necessarily.
You ought to learn the difference between 'unroadworthy' and 'MoT
failure'.

Suggest you look at the response from VOSA on http://www.mottest.net/mot/mot-failure-question/


But that doesn't explain the situation where the failure does not make
the car unroadworthy. If the tyres are illegal then it clearly is
unroadworthy as well as being an MOT failure.

But what if it fails because a headlamp bulb has blown and you would be
driving home in daylight and good visibility?

Andrew

Andrew May gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying:

But that doesn't explain the situation where the failure does not make
the car unroadworthy. If the tyres are illegal then it clearly is
unroadworthy as well as being an MOT failure.

But what if it fails because a headlamp bulb has blown and you would be
driving home in daylight and good visibility?

Indeed.

Perhaps an even clearer example - the windscreen on my car is currently
cracked, following a stonechip the other weekend. The crack is into the
wiper swept area by just over 40mm. It is, therefore, an MOT fail. It's
barely visible to the driver, as it's behind the mirror. It contributes
nothing to the structural strength of the car, as it's an older-style
gasket-mount windscreen, not bonded.

Is the car unroadworthy?

If I took it for an MOT this afternoon, and it failed, would it be
unroadworthy afterwards?

Andrew Mawson wrote:
"Dave" wrote in message
...
Jim wrote:
On 17/02/2010 14:54, Invisible Man wrote:
Car tax runs out the end of this month.

Car being traded in on 2nd of next month.

Don't suppose DVLA's computer would overlook the 2 days and doubt
whether the garage will backdate their ownership of the car.

Looks like the best option is to drop the car off on the 28th and
manage without until the new one is available on the 2nd.

IME you have 1 month before the DVLA will issue a fine.

There is still the problem of being caught by ANPR on the way there
on the 2nd - how about booking a MOT test?

I did that with the daughters car when we met at Warwick services
and I brought it up to Preston to get an MOT and looked at for a
water leak. Garage owner laughed his head of, but agreed there was
nothing the police could do about it, because it was on its way for
a pre booked MOT. The law does not stipulate were, or how far away,
the MOT station should be. It passed, with no recommendation's, by
the way.

Dave

Many many years ago I was 'done' for no MOT on my Frog Eyed Sprite, as
although I was on the way to a pre-booked MOT I stopped at a 'hole in
the wall' to get cash to pay for the MOT! Apparently you have to go
'directly' to the garage.

Ouch! The stewards.

On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 22:47:06 +0000, dennis@home wrote:
You do understand the difference between driving a car with no MOT and
driving an MOT failure?
Check that your insurance is valid if you are driving an un-roadworthy car.

I thought he was driving a bus?

fx: fossicks

aha: "I did this for many years when I lived in a bus"

Can we spell bus, Dennis? Can we? b - u - s

"Andrew May" wrote in message
...


But that doesn't explain the situation where the failure does not make the
car unroadworthy. If the tyres are illegal then it clearly is unroadworthy
as well as being an MOT failure.

But what if it fails because a headlamp bulb has blown and you would be
driving home in daylight and good visibility?

And if it starts to rain and you need to use your headlights?

Its still an offence and because you have a fail notice you won't get away
with saying it must have just failed and may not be given the opportunity to
fix it before they issue a summons.


Andrew

"dennis@home" gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying:

But what if it fails because a headlamp bulb has blown and you would be
driving home in daylight and good visibility?

And if it starts to rain and you need to use your headlights?

Weather forecasts aside, the headlight isn't the greatest example - so
how about my windscreen?