The Guardian seems pretty keen on this week's news

http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2010...ght-investment

Anyone fitting a typical £12,500, 2.5kW PV system to their existing home will initially be paid 41.3p per kilowatt hour (kWh) generated. Enough, according to Miliband, to reward them with up to £900 in the first year on top of a £140-a-year saving on their bills.

Households get an extra 3p for each kWh they export on top of the 41.3p they get paid for all units generated.

Not such good news for those whose took advantage of grants
before 15th July 2009 - they only get 9p per kWh.

Chris
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Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK


Have dancing shoes, will ceilidh.

"Chris J Dixon" wrote in message
...
The Guardian seems pretty keen on this week's news

http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2010...ght-investment

Anyone fitting a typical £12,500, 2.5kW PV system to their existing home
will initially be paid 41.3p per kilowatt hour (kWh) generated. Enough,
according to Miliband, to reward them with up to £900 in the first year on
top of a £140-a-year saving on their bills.

Households get an extra 3p for each kWh they export on top of the 41.3p
they get paid for all units generated.


And the eco numpties reckoned that it was enough!

@ 41.3p per kWh, where do I sign?

tim

tim.... wrote:
"Chris J Dixon" wrote in message
...
The Guardian seems pretty keen on this week's news

http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2010...ght-investment

Anyone fitting a typical £12,500, 2.5kW PV system to their existing home
will initially be paid 41.3p per kilowatt hour (kWh) generated. Enough,
according to Miliband, to reward them with up to £900 in the first year on
top of a £140-a-year saving on their bills.
Households get an extra 3p for each kWh they export on top of the 41.3p
they get paid for all units generated.

And the eco numpties reckoned that it was enough!

@ 41.3p per kWh, where do I sign?

tim


sheer madness.

20 times more than you can by from a nuke plant at.

On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 09:00:10 GMT, Chris J Dixon
wrote:

The Guardian seems pretty keen on this week's news

Are the differences between input rates and output rates for the eco
garden gnome windmills at a point yet where it is worth getting one
and driving it from an electric motor?

Peter Parry wrote:
On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 09:00:10 GMT, Chris J Dixon
wrote:

The Guardian seems pretty keen on this week's news

Are the differences between input rates and output rates for the eco
garden gnome windmills at a point yet where it is worth getting one
and driving it from an electric motor?

almost certainly.

On Feb 7, 11:20*am, "tim...." wrote:
@ 41.3p per kWh, where do I sign?


!... ?!.... *?!*

You could stick a light bulb in front of the PV and come out ahead?!


Wonder when someone is going to investigate the climate change crowd
properly as a front for creating the GS carbon trading market and GS
outplacements in the media?

On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 12:15:32 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Are the differences between input rates and output rates for the
eco
garden gnome windmills at a point yet where it is worth getting
one
and driving it from an electric motor?

almost certainly.

40p/unit feed in, 10p/unit bought if you can beat 25% overall
"conversion" you make a profit!

Practically I can't see how you could get it to work though. you have
a 2kW electric motor driving a 2kW alternator you are going to get
less than 2kW out due to losses so you still consume from the grid.
Two feeds from the grid? Pull power from one, feed back less via the
other but at four times the price...

Or replace that 2kW electric motor with say a 2kW diesel engine
running on red paying 50p/l (5p/unit) that's another matter... How
would they know if the power you are feeding in is coming from the
installed renewable source or your diesel genset?

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Cheers
Dave.

On Feb 7, 3:58*pm, "Dave Liquorice"
wrote:
Two feeds from the grid? Pull power from one, feed back less via the
other but at four times the price...

Neighbour supply moved to yours with metering arrangement, original
neighbour supply becomes feed-in. If no note is made of time (Motor on
E7) the difference even with inefficiency could be over 8 times.

PV does not even make sense in the UK as newbuild or replacement roof
tiles, it is too expensive & too inefficient for bulk install in UK.

On Sun, 7 Feb 2010 11:20:10 -0000, "tim...."
wrote:

@ 41.3p per kWh, where do I sign?

At the nearest mental institution, and please take your nearest MP
with you.

Solar 'on grid' is significantly less useful than a wind turbine in
the UK, and those are a total waste of resources, play havoc with grid
stability and often do bugger all when demand is high.

Incentives for local 'generation' of the miniscule amounts you'd get
from a typical household are beyond any shadow of doubt a total waste
of money, what we shoud be doing is massively increasing the
insulation in homes and commercial premises - external cladding and
digging up concrete floors if necessary. Or even knocking them down
and rebuilding something fit for the 21st century and not something
barely fit for the 19th century.

In industry give incentives for demonstrable long term reduced energy
consumption with indentical or increased productivity - giving no
possibility of exporting jobs overseas where energy is 'cheaper'.

Of course we could just sit back and carry on as we have always done,
some global warming would speed up the ripening of my tomatoes.


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