My Candy fridge freezer is no longer working but it is hard to judge if
it is worth trying to fix it. First I noticed it was not getting as cold
as before so I turned up the thermostat. That did not work so I started
listening to it and noticed the compressor was running all the time. I
then felt the radiator at the back and found it was only slightly warm.
Over the next day or say it got colder until it was at room temperature.
Reading up on the matter I found that it was not advised to keep the
fridge on in such a state because it damages the compressor. After
leaving it more than a week I tried it again and the black pipe from the
compressor to the radiator got to about 50C but after an hour was only
around 30C.

My understanding is that if the problem is a refrigerant leak then it
cannot be too bad because some must remain in to allow it to almost
work, and it would be worthwhile getting someone with the specialist
equipment to top it up. My concern is that failing compressor seals may
be the problem and topping it up would be a waste of time. Can anyone
tell the difference from these observations?

The label on the compressor says HYK95AA 0307 R600a

Thanks,

Robert.

On Jan 21, 5:25*pm, Robert Copcutt wrote:
My Candy fridge freezer is no longer working but it is hard to judge if
it is worth trying to fix it. First I noticed it was not getting as cold
as before so I turned up the thermostat. That did not work so I started
listening to it and noticed the compressor was running all the time. I
then felt the radiator at the back and found it was only slightly warm.
Over the next day or say it got colder until it was at room temperature.
Reading up on the matter I found that it was not advised to keep the
fridge on in such a state because it damages the compressor. After
leaving it more than a week I tried it again and the black pipe from the
compressor to the radiator got to about 50C but after an hour was only
around 30C.

My understanding is that if the problem is a refrigerant leak then it
cannot be too bad because some must remain in to allow it to almost
work, and it would be worthwhile getting someone with the specialist
equipment to top it up. My concern is that failing compressor seals may
be the problem and topping it up would be a waste of time. Can anyone
tell the difference from these observations?

The label on the compressor says *HYK95AA *0307 *R600a

Thanks,

Robert.

Im only guessing, but put a amp meter on it, a compressor going bad
will pull alot more juice. A repairman will tell you and freon wont be
expensive and probably be worth it.

On Jan 22, 12:25 pm, Robert Copcutt wrote:
My Candy fridge freezer is no longer working but it is hard to judge if
it is worth trying to fix it.

From experience I'd say that it might cost one third or half the cost
of a new fridge, to fix it. That includes fixing the leak and
recharging the gas, and taking the fridge away and returning it, and
the use of a temporary fridge.
So if your fridge is really tatty maybe it's time for a new one. My
new fridge is more efficient than an old one.

Robert Copcutt wrote:
My Candy fridge freezer is no longer working but it is hard to judge
if it is worth trying to fix it. First I noticed it was not getting
as cold as before so I turned up the thermostat. That did not work so
I started listening to it and noticed the compressor was running all
the time. I then felt the radiator at the back and found it was only
slightly warm. Over the next day or say it got colder until it was at
room temperature. Reading up on the matter I found that it was not
advised to keep the fridge on in such a state because it damages the
compressor. After leaving it more than a week I tried it again and
the black pipe from the compressor to the radiator got to about 50C
but after an hour was only around 30C.

My understanding is that if the problem is a refrigerant leak then it
cannot be too bad because some must remain in to allow it to almost
work, and it would be worthwhile getting someone with the specialist
equipment to top it up. My concern is that failing compressor seals
may be the problem and topping it up would be a waste of time. Can
anyone tell the difference from these observations?

The label on the compressor says HYK95AA 0307 R600a

Two/ three issues:

Compressor kaput or gas lost. Replace the gas and find it's the compressor
belugared. Replace the compressor and it's the lack of gas.

Insulation knapsacked, filling with water and making the system work flat
out.

Have experienced both.
I no longer bother with trying to fathom the problem and say goodbye to £s
and purchase a new one.

In almost 40 years, we have had three freezers and also three fridge
freezers.

Whilst I hate disposing of property that could be fixed I have found that
these items are not worth fettling.

On Jan 21, 6:30*pm, Matty F wrote:
On Jan 22, 12:25 pm, Robert Copcutt wrote:

My Candy fridge freezer is no longer working but it is hard to judge if
it is worth trying to fix it.

From experience I'd say that it might cost one third or half the cost
of a new fridge, to fix it. That includes fixing the leak and
recharging the gas, and taking the fridge away and returning it, and
the use of a temporary fridge.
So if your fridge is really tatty maybe it's time for a new one. My
new fridge is more efficient than an old one.

I had a frige recharged maybe 10 years ago, its still fine, I use it
and no leak was repaired, maybe mine was a bit low to start with but
its fine.

On Jan 21, 11:25*pm, Robert Copcutt wrote:
My Candy fridge freezer is no longer working but it is hard to judge if
it is worth trying to fix it. First I noticed it was not getting as cold
as before so I turned up the thermostat. That did not work so I started
listening to it and noticed the compressor was running all the time. I
then felt the radiator at the back and found it was only slightly warm.
Over the next day or say it got colder until it was at room temperature.
Reading up on the matter I found that it was not advised to keep the
fridge on in such a state because it damages the compressor. After
leaving it more than a week I tried it again and the black pipe from the
compressor to the radiator got to about 50C but after an hour was only
around 30C.

My understanding is that if the problem is a refrigerant leak then it
cannot be too bad because some must remain in to allow it to almost
work, and it would be worthwhile getting someone with the specialist
equipment to top it up. My concern is that failing compressor seals may
be the problem and topping it up would be a waste of time. Can anyone
tell the difference from these observations?

The label on the compressor says *HYK95AA *0307 *R600a

Thanks,

Robert.


Usually loss of gas. If its topped up it just leaks out again. Finding
the leak is very hard to do, so generally such repairs are uneconomic.
With 2 exceptions:
1. insulation pad under the base can be replaced if saturated
2. Topup with very low cost replacement gas is sometimes done, and
sometimes works well.


NT

Robert Copcutt wrote:
My Candy fridge freezer is no longer working but it is hard to judge if
it is worth trying to fix it.

Well, our 'garage' fridge (for overflow from the house fridge plus
beers) conked out under similar circumstances and I was faced with the
same dilemma.

In the end I bought a replacement from a local ebay seller for... five
quid. That was about three years ago and still going strong. So go
figure...

David

On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:30:28 -0800 (PST), Matty F wrote:

From experience I'd say that it might cost one third or half the cost
of a new fridge, to fix it.

Nearer or over 1/2 the cost these days with larder fridges coming in
at around the £130 to £150 mark.

That includes fixing the leak and recharging the gas, and taking the
fridge away and returning it, and the use of a temporary fridge.

I had a compressor replaced on a fridge/freezer done in the kitchen
took no more than a couple of hours. No need to bother shifting,
large moderately heavy, boxes about to and from workshops.

--
Cheers
Dave.

In message
,
ransley writes
On Jan 21, 5:25*pm, Robert Copcutt wrote:
My Candy fridge freezer is no longer working but it is hard to judge if
it is worth trying to fix it. First I noticed it was not getting as cold
as before so I turned up the thermostat. That did not work so I started
listening to it and noticed the compressor was running all the time. I
then felt the radiator at the back and found it was only slightly warm.
Over the next day or say it got colder until it was at room temperature.
Reading up on the matter I found that it was not advised to keep the
fridge on in such a state because it damages the compressor. After
leaving it more than a week I tried it again and the black pipe from the
compressor to the radiator got to about 50C but after an hour was only
around 30C.

My understanding is that if the problem is a refrigerant leak then it
cannot be too bad because some must remain in to allow it to almost
work, and it would be worthwhile getting someone with the specialist
equipment to top it up. My concern is that failing compressor seals may
be the problem and topping it up would be a waste of time. Can anyone
tell the difference from these observations?

The label on the compressor says *HYK95AA *0307 *R600a

Thanks,

Robert.

Im only guessing, but put a amp meter on it, a compressor going bad
will pull alot more juice. A repairman will tell you and freon wont be
expensive and probably be worth it.

If you have a leak, unless you find it, you'll keep on losing
compressant

11 years old ?

ditch it and get something more efficient


--
geoff

To complete the story as a future reference; because the fridge looks
good as new despite its 11 years I decided to try to refill the
refridgerant.

Esjay came around with the appropriate kit and refilled with gas. He
warned that although the pressure was low to start with it might not fix
the problem. Also, the cooling coils for the fridge part are embedded in
back of the unit and are made of steel. They therefore rust and leak
after a while and fixing is difficult - bloody built-in obsolescence!

The refill worked partially but the thing became very noisy. Although it
cooled more effectively than before when first switched on it still
failed to get cold enough for the thermostat to cut out the motor. I
therefore had to turn the fridge on and off manually. Obviously not a
long term solution so it is now replaced. Going by previous advice here
I steered clear of frost free options. Apparently frost free bumps the
number of parts that can fail up from 3 to about 12.

The key to keeping a freezer frost free is to make sure the door is
totally shut. Ice can build up and press slightly against the door and
that slight pressure can create an air leak big enough for the frost to
build up much more quickly.

Hope someone benefits!


Robert Copcutt wrote:
My Candy fridge freezer is no longer working but it is hard to judge if
it is worth trying to fix it. First I noticed it was not getting as cold
as before so I turned up the thermostat. That did not work so I started
listening to it and noticed the compressor was running all the time. I
then felt the radiator at the back and found it was only slightly warm.
Over the next day or say it got colder until it was at room temperature.
Reading up on the matter I found that it was not advised to keep the
fridge on in such a state because it damages the compressor. After
leaving it more than a week I tried it again and the black pipe from the
compressor to the radiator got to about 50C but after an hour was only
around 30C.

My understanding is that if the problem is a refrigerant leak then it
cannot be too bad because some must remain in to allow it to almost
work, and it would be worthwhile getting someone with the specialist
equipment to top it up. My concern is that failing compressor seals may
be the problem and topping it up would be a waste of time. Can anyone
tell the difference from these observations?

The label on the compressor says HYK95AA 0307 R600a

Thanks,

Robert.

On 14 May, 13:36, Robert Copcutt wrote:
To complete the story as a future reference; because the fridge looks
good as new despite its 11 years I decided to try to refill the
refridgerant.

Esjay came around with the appropriate kit and refilled with gas. He
warned that although the pressure was low to start with it might not fix
the problem. Also, the cooling coils for the fridge part are embedded in
back of the unit and are made of steel. They therefore rust and leak
after a while and fixing is difficult - bloody built-in obsolescence!

The refill worked partially but the thing became very noisy. Although it
cooled more effectively than before when first switched on it still
failed to get cold enough for the thermostat to cut out the motor. I
therefore had to turn the fridge on and off manually. Obviously not a
long term solution so it is now replaced. Going by previous advice here
I steered clear of frost free options. Apparently frost free bumps the
number of parts that can fail up from 3 to about 12.

The key to keeping a freezer frost free is to make sure the door is
totally shut. Ice can build up and press slightly against the door and
that slight pressure can create an air leak big enough for the frost to
build up much more quickly.

Hope someone benefits!



Robert Copcutt wrote:
My Candy fridge freezer is no longer working but it is hard to judge if
it is worth trying to fix it. First I noticed it was not getting as cold
as before so I turned up the thermostat. That did not work so I started
listening to it and noticed the compressor was running all the time. I
then felt the radiator at the back and found it was only slightly warm.
Over the next day or say it got colder until it was at room temperature..
Reading up on the matter I found that it was not advised to keep the
fridge on in such a state because it damages the compressor. After
leaving it more than a week I tried it again and the black pipe from the
compressor to the radiator got to about 50C but after an hour was only
around 30C.

My understanding is that if the problem is a refrigerant leak then it
cannot be too bad because some must remain in to allow it to almost
work, and it would be worthwhile getting someone with the specialist
equipment to top it up. My concern is that failing compressor seals may
be the problem and topping it up would be a waste of time. Can anyone
tell the difference from these observations?

The label on the compressor says *HYK95AA *0307 *R600a

Thanks,

Robert.


Hi All,

Just a quick note to say that if you're thinking about disposing of
your old fridge, don't forget that many of the substances contained
inside may be very harmful for the environment if disposed of
incorrectly. I've written an article that explains a bit more about
what those substances are, the legislation governing fridge disposal,
and the various ways of how to dispose of a fridge responsibly. You
can find it here http://www.anyjunk.co.uk/blog/how-to...ge-responsibly

Kindest,

AnyJunk

"Tim Witcomb" wrote in message
...
On 14 May, 13:36, Robert Copcutt wrote:
To complete the story as a future reference; because the fridge looks
good as new despite its 11 years I decided to try to refill the
refridgerant.

Esjay came around with the appropriate kit and refilled with gas. He
warned that although the pressure was low to start with it might not fix
the problem. Also, the cooling coils for the fridge part are embedded in
back of the unit and are made of steel. They therefore rust and leak
after a while and fixing is difficult - bloody built-in obsolescence!

The refill worked partially but the thing became very noisy. Although it
cooled more effectively than before when first switched on it still
failed to get cold enough for the thermostat to cut out the motor. I
therefore had to turn the fridge on and off manually. Obviously not a
long term solution so it is now replaced. Going by previous advice here
I steered clear of frost free options. Apparently frost free bumps the
number of parts that can fail up from 3 to about 12.

The key to keeping a freezer frost free is to make sure the door is
totally shut. Ice can build up and press slightly against the door and
that slight pressure can create an air leak big enough for the frost to
build up much more quickly.

Hope someone benefits!



Robert Copcutt wrote:
My Candy fridge freezer is no longer working but it is hard to judge if
it is worth trying to fix it. First I noticed it was not getting as cold
as before so I turned up the thermostat. That did not work so I started
listening to it and noticed the compressor was running all the time. I
then felt the radiator at the back and found it was only slightly warm.
Over the next day or say it got colder until it was at room temperature.
Reading up on the matter I found that it was not advised to keep the
fridge on in such a state because it damages the compressor. After
leaving it more than a week I tried it again and the black pipe from the
compressor to the radiator got to about 50C but after an hour was only
around 30C.

My understanding is that if the problem is a refrigerant leak then it
cannot be too bad because some must remain in to allow it to almost
work, and it would be worthwhile getting someone with the specialist
equipment to top it up. My concern is that failing compressor seals may
be the problem and topping it up would be a waste of time. Can anyone
tell the difference from these observations?

The label on the compressor says HYK95AA 0307 R600a

Thanks,

Robert.


Hi All,

Just a quick note to say that if you're thinking about disposing of
your old fridge, don't forget that many of the substances contained
inside may be very harmful for the environment if disposed of
incorrectly. I've written an article that explains a bit more about
what those substances are, the legislation governing fridge disposal,
and the various ways of how to dispose of a fridge responsibly. You
can find it here
http://www.anyjunk.co.uk/blog/how-to...ge-responsibly

Kindest,

AnyJunk

Many years ago I had a freezer re-gassed and it cost £80 I recall.

I would think such a repair is hardly economical - however - a new timer on
a frost Free is only about £7 (parts only)

On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 06:59:52 -0700 (PDT), Tim Witcomb
wrote:

Just a quick note to say that if you're thinking about disposing of
your old fridge, don't forget that many of the substances contained
inside may be very harmful for the environment if disposed of
incorrectly. I've written an article that explains a bit more about
what those substances are, the legislation governing fridge disposal,
and the various ways of how to dispose of a fridge responsibly. You
can find it here http://www.anyjunk.co.uk/blog/how-to...ge-responsibly

It is a badly misleading article though, typical jobsworth. For
example you state:-

"What legislation is relevant to householders disposing of their old
fridge?" and go on to list 3 Regulations only one of which has any
affect upon householders and that single one not in the way you
describe.

"Duty of Care – Waste (Household Waste) Duty of Care (England & Wales)
Regulations 2005 – all householders getting rid of waste (not just old
fridges!) have a duty of care to ensure that it is disposed of
properly."

This is wrong. The duty imposed is only to take all such measures
available as are reasonable in the circumstances to secure that any
transfer by him of household waste produced on the property is only to
an authorised person or to a person for authorised transport purposes.
There is no other obligation on householders in that regulation about
disposal at all.

Household waste is also exempt from the duty of care provisions of the
Environmental Protection Act 1990 :-
"34 Duty of care etc. as respects waste
(2) The duty imposed by subsection (1) above does not apply to an
occupier of domestic property as respects the household waste produced
on the property. "

(The late and not lamented ODPM defined "household waste" as :-
“all waste collected by Waste Collection Authorities under Section
45(1) of the Environmental Protection Act 1990), plus all waste
arisings from Civic Amenity (CA) Sites and waste collected by third
parties for which collection or disposal recycling credits are paid
under Section 52 of the Environmental Protection Act 1990.3")

"to ensure that any 3rd party you use to remove the waste is
registered as a waste carrier with the Environment Agency"

You got that bit almost right, the duty is satisfied if you see a copy
of their licence. Most people wouldn't recognise a real one of
course.

" and provides you with a appropriately completed Waste Transfer Note
for the collection. "

There is no requirement for a householder to have a Waste Transfer
Note and no requirement for a waste carrier to provide them for
household waste, it is required only for business collections.

"EC regulation 2037/2000 – all refrigeration units containing Ozone
Depleting Substances (ie. CFCs and HCFCs) must have those ODS removed
in a controlled manner before the appliance is scrapped. Failure to
comply with these regulations carries a fine of up to £2,500 and
eligibility for prosecution."

Firstly, EU Regulations are not law until transposed into national
legislation. Secondly a fine normally follows prosecution, it does
not precede it. Thirdly, none of the transposing regulations apply
to a householder disposing of a fridge. The householder has no
responsibility at all for the removal of ozone depleting substances
and is not at risk of prosecution or fine if it is carried out
improperly.

"It is also worth noting that the majority of fridges still contain
substances that could be harmful if handled incorrectly."

What "substances" might these be and what harm would result from
mishandling? (Apart from the pain of dropping it on your foot).

I realise you want to advertise your business and exaggerate risk but
scare mongering isn't a good way to do it. It is also not good form
to quote prices ex VAT for consumer contracts, in fact that is against
a real law, not just one of your invented ones.

(Statutory Instrument 2005 No. 2705 The Consumer Protection (Code of
Practice for Traders on Price Indications) Approval Order 2005
Value Added Tax
(i) Price indications to consumers
2.2.7 All price indications you give to private consumers, by
whatever means, should include VAT.)

So, including VAT, In order of cost or removing old fridge:-

Take it to Household Waste Site - price of fuel to get there.

Using supplier of new fridge to take old one away- zero to £20

Local authority bulk rubbish - zero to £40

Anyjunk - The pricing is rather obscure as you quote £59 for a minimum
load plus a supplement of £59 for a fridge so its either £59 or £117
(or, apparently, whatever else the van driver decides on the day).

I can see that will be a difficult decision for most people to make.

By the way, compressors from old fridges and freezers make fine vacuum
pumps and compressors for airbrushes.

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Tim Witcomb
saying something like:

Hi All,

Just a quick note to say that if you're thinking about disposing of
your old fridge, don't forget that many of the substances contained
inside may be very harmful for the environment if disposed of
incorrectly.

Exactly so. Which is why I always take an axe to any old fridge of mine
and let the fluids drain out into the garden soil. The weeds love it, as
does all the local wildlife around here. Mind you, I haven't seen much
of that recently, must be the weather or something...

I remember Tim Witcomb
saying something like:

Just a quick note to say that if you're thinking about disposing of
your old fridge, don't forget that many of the substances contained
inside may be very harmful for the environment if disposed of
incorrectly.

In truth that's not really true, its more a geenwash thing.


NT