I'm building a shed out of bricks reclaimed from an outbuilding. It'll be
about 15ft by 11 ft.
I was going to have an apex roof but a shortage of bricks has led me to
consider having a hipped roof.
The house and conservatory are hipped so it'll match.

However have just discovered this on the planning portal:


"Outbuildings and garages to be single storey with maximum eaves height of
2.5 metres and maximum overall height of four metres with a dual pitched
roof or three metres for any other roof."



Does this mean I can go to 4m high with an apex roof but only 3m with a
hipped roof?
What does 'dual pitch' mean?


mark

"mark" wrote in message
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I'm building a shed out of bricks reclaimed from an outbuilding. It'll be
about 15ft by 11 ft.
I was going to have an apex roof but a shortage of bricks has led me to
consider having a hipped roof.
The house and conservatory are hipped so it'll match.

However have just discovered this on the planning portal:


"Outbuildings and garages to be single storey with maximum eaves height of
2.5 metres and maximum overall height of four metres with a dual pitched
roof or three metres for any other roof."



Does this mean I can go to 4m high with an apex roof but only 3m with a
hipped roof?
What does 'dual pitch' mean?

Dual pitch means (I asume) a roof with a peak and opposing slopes.
I also assume that this is what you mean by an apex roof.

So the 3 metre limit should apply.
This seems reasonable, because it is really governing wall height - with a
single pitch roof, especially with a shallow slope, the roof part of the
building takes up a lot less vertical height.

The other thing to watch out for is the roofing material and your distance
from the boundary.
According to my local Building Control they would expect a tiled roof if you
are within 1 metre of the boundary, to comply with the following:
"you will not normally be required to apply for building regulations
approval providing that the building is either at least one metre from any
boundary or it is constructed of substantially non-combustible materials."

http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/eng...315233153.html

I assume your building will be more than 2 metres from any boundary,
otherwise:

"Maximum height of 2.5 metres in the case of a building, enclosure or
container within two metres of a boundary of the curtilage of the
dwellinghouse."

HTH

Davve R

mark wrote:
I'm building a shed out of bricks reclaimed from an outbuilding. It'll be
about 15ft by 11 ft.
I was going to have an apex roof but a shortage of bricks has led me to
consider having a hipped roof.
The house and conservatory are hipped so it'll match.

However have just discovered this on the planning portal:


"Outbuildings and garages to be single storey with maximum eaves height of
2.5 metres and maximum overall height of four metres with a dual pitched
roof or three metres for any other roof."



Does this mean I can go to 4m high with an apex roof but only 3m with a
hipped roof?
What does 'dual pitch' mean?


mark

I'd maybe take advice from your local Planning department. A hipped
roof is basically an apexed roof with the ends sliced off, so I'd not
be certain why anyone would want to enforce a lower limit for a hipped
roof - could simply be that the notion of a hipped roof wasn't in the
mind of whoever drafted the regulations.

Cheers
Richard

However have just discovered this on the planning portal:


"Outbuildings and garages to be single storey with maximum eaves height
of 2.5 metres and maximum overall height of four metres with a dual
pitched roof or three metres for any other roof."



Does this mean I can go to 4m high with an apex roof but only 3m with a
hipped roof?
What does 'dual pitch' mean?

Dual pitch means (I asume) a roof with a peak and opposing slopes.
I also assume that this is what you mean by an apex roof.

So the 3 metre limit should apply.
This seems reasonable, because it is really governing wall height - with a
single pitch roof, especially with a shallow slope, the roof part of the
building takes up a lot less vertical height.


Shed will be brick and tile. By apex roof I mean a two sided roof such as a
standard 8 by 6 shed would have.

If 'dual pitch' means the same as apex, I can go to 4m high.
Going to a hipped roof , with 4 sides, means same height wall at the eaves
but without the gable triangles of bricks, ie., less wall. What I don't
understand is, if the height is now restricted to 3m, then I can't put a
less obtrusive hipped roof on as the head of the door frame is already at
2.2m

My train of thought was that pitch = angle.
In this context 'dual pitch' might mean an asymetrical roof with say one
side at 60deg and another at 30 deg.
In which case a 4 sided hipped roof all at 30 deg would be a mono-pitch. I
don't know.

mark

"Outbuildings and garages to be single storey with maximum eaves height
of
2.5 metres and maximum overall height of four metres with a dual pitched
roof or three metres for any other roof."



Does this mean I can go to 4m high with an apex roof but only 3m with a
hipped roof?
What does 'dual pitch' mean?


mark

I'd maybe take advice from your local Planning department. A hipped
roof is basically an apexed roof with the ends sliced off, so I'd not
be certain why anyone would want to enforce a lower limit for a hipped
roof - could simply be that the notion of a hipped roof wasn't in the
mind of whoever drafted the regulations.

Cheers
Richard





"A hipped roof is basically an apexed roof with the ends sliced off,..."

I like that description!
The project is underway and I'd rather not alert planning. I just want to
have my defence ready should they get wind of it.

mark

On 20 Oct, 09:24, "mark" wrote:

What does 'dual pitch' mean?

Mansard roof?

mark wrote:
I'm building a shed out of bricks reclaimed from an outbuilding. It'll be
about 15ft by 11 ft.
I was going to have an apex roof but a shortage of bricks has led me to
consider having a hipped roof.
The house and conservatory are hipped so it'll match.

However have just discovered this on the planning portal:


"Outbuildings and garages to be single storey with maximum eaves height of
2.5 metres and maximum overall height of four metres with a dual pitched
roof or three metres for any other roof."



Does this mean I can go to 4m high with an apex roof but only 3m with a
hipped roof?

I think so, yes.
What does 'dual pitch' mean?

two pitches. One either side of the apex, sureley?



mark

The Natural Philosopher wrote:
"Outbuildings and garages to be single storey with maximum eaves height of
2.5 metres and maximum overall height of four metres with a dual pitched
roof or three metres for any other roof."

Does this mean I can go to 4m high with an apex roof but only 3m with a
hipped roof?

I think so, yes.
What does 'dual pitch' mean?

two pitches. One either side of the apex, sureley?

No!

A dual pitched roof is one where there are two different pitches - ie it
goes up steeply one side and shallow the other.

http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=dual+pitched+roof

A hipped roof or a roof with two gables or an apex roof are all single
pitched roofs - all the pitches are the same.

I think so, yes.
What does 'dual pitch' mean?

two pitches. One either side of the apex, sureley?

No!

A dual pitched roof is one where there are two different pitches - ie it
goes up steeply one side and shallow the other.

http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=dual+pitched+roof

A hipped roof or a roof with two gables or an apex roof are all single
pitched roofs - all the pitches are the same.


Thanks for that explanation. Although some of the google examples show apex
roofs.

Taking that definition back to the planning rule:

"Outbuildings and garages to be single storey with maximum eaves height of
2.5 metres and maximum overall height of four metres with a dual pitched
roof or three metres for any other roof."

My hipped roof shed must be must be no more than 3m high, but if somehow I
can make one of the roof angles different I can go to 4 m.
Seems to defy logic.

mark

mark wrote:
I think so, yes.
What does 'dual pitch' mean?

two pitches. One either side of the apex, sureley?

No!

A dual pitched roof is one where there are two different pitches - ie it
goes up steeply one side and shallow the other.

http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=dual+pitched+roof

A hipped roof or a roof with two gables or an apex roof are all single
pitched roofs - all the pitches are the same.


Thanks for that explanation. Although some of the google examples show apex
roofs.

Yeah, you're right - I saw that just after I hit the post button.
Apologies, I was dead sure I had the correct answer.

mark wrote:

The project is underway and I'd rather not alert planning. I just want to
have my defence ready should they get wind of it.

An entirely fair point. However, there's nothing to stop you picking
up the phone and making a general enquiry about their interpretation.
There's shouldn't be any need to give your name.

But I fully understand your preference to remain below the parapet ;-)

Cheers
Richard

"mark" wrote in message
...
However have just discovered this on the planning portal:


"Outbuildings and garages to be single storey with maximum eaves height
of 2.5 metres and maximum overall height of four metres with a dual
pitched roof or three metres for any other roof."



Does this mean I can go to 4m high with an apex roof but only 3m with a
hipped roof?
What does 'dual pitch' mean?

Dual pitch means (I asume) a roof with a peak and opposing slopes.
I also assume that this is what you mean by an apex roof.

So the 3 metre limit should apply.
This seems reasonable, because it is really governing wall height - with
a single pitch roof, especially with a shallow slope, the roof part of
the building takes up a lot less vertical height.


Shed will be brick and tile. By apex roof I mean a two sided roof such as
a standard 8 by 6 shed would have.

If 'dual pitch' means the same as apex, I can go to 4m high.
Going to a hipped roof , with 4 sides, means same height wall at the eaves
but without the gable triangles of bricks, ie., less wall. What I don't
understand is, if the height is now restricted to 3m, then I can't put a
less obtrusive hipped roof on as the head of the door frame is already at
2.2m

My train of thought was that pitch = angle.
In this context 'dual pitch' might mean an asymetrical roof with say one
side at 60deg and another at 30 deg.
In which case a 4 sided hipped roof all at 30 deg would be a mono-pitch.
I don't know.

I have emailed my local planners asking for clarification (tried to ring
them but they were unavailable).
I presume from your response that you will be more than 2 metres from any
boundary.
I will post the reply when it arrives.

"David WE Roberts" wrote in message
...
snip
Does this mean I can go to 4m high with an apex roof but only 3m with a
hipped roof?
What does 'dual pitch' mean?

Dual pitch means (I asume) a roof with a peak and opposing slopes.
I also assume that this is what you mean by an apex roof.

So the 3 metre limit should apply.
This seems reasonable, because it is really governing wall height - with a
single pitch roof, especially with a shallow slope, the roof part of the
building takes up a lot less vertical height.
snip
Doh!

Of course, I meant the 4 metre rule!
I blame the computer.

"David WE Roberts" wrote in message
...

"mark" wrote in message
...
However have just discovered this on the planning portal:


"Outbuildings and garages to be single storey with maximum eaves height
of 2.5 metres and maximum overall height of four metres with a dual
pitched roof or three metres for any other roof."



Does this mean I can go to 4m high with an apex roof but only 3m with a
hipped roof?
What does 'dual pitch' mean?

Dual pitch means (I asume) a roof with a peak and opposing slopes.
I also assume that this is what you mean by an apex roof.

So the 3 metre limit should apply.
This seems reasonable, because it is really governing wall height - with
a single pitch roof, especially with a shallow slope, the roof part of
the building takes up a lot less vertical height.


Shed will be brick and tile. By apex roof I mean a two sided roof such as
a standard 8 by 6 shed would have.

If 'dual pitch' means the same as apex, I can go to 4m high.
Going to a hipped roof , with 4 sides, means same height wall at the
eaves but without the gable triangles of bricks, ie., less wall. What I
don't understand is, if the height is now restricted to 3m, then I can't
put a less obtrusive hipped roof on as the head of the door frame is
already at 2.2m

My train of thought was that pitch = angle.
In this context 'dual pitch' might mean an asymetrical roof with say
one side at 60deg and another at 30 deg.
In which case a 4 sided hipped roof all at 30 deg would be a mono-pitch.
I don't know.

I have emailed my local planners asking for clarification (tried to ring
them but they were unavailable).
I presume from your response that you will be more than 2 metres from any
boundary.
I will post the reply when it arrives.


It will be 2m or more from three of my boundaries, as for the other one I'll
take the fifth :-)
Who wants a shed stuck in the middle of their lawn? !!!


mark

"David WE Roberts" wrote in message
...

"David WE Roberts" wrote in message
...
snip
Does this mean I can go to 4m high with an apex roof but only 3m with a
hipped roof?
What does 'dual pitch' mean?

Dual pitch means (I asume) a roof with a peak and opposing slopes.
I also assume that this is what you mean by an apex roof.

So the 3 metre limit should apply.
This seems reasonable, because it is really governing wall height - with
a single pitch roof, especially with a shallow slope, the roof part of
the building takes up a lot less vertical height.
snip
Doh!

Of course, I meant the 4 metre rule!
I blame the computer.

Construction is on hold today as it's raining.

mark