SWMBO went off to work this morning, happily thinking about the new
stainless steel 1.5 bowl sink I was going to fit to replace the yucky
white plasticky thing that's been bugging her for a while.

Old plasticky thing wouldn't release from the worktop because of the
sealant which was sucking it down, but soon sorted that with a car
jack which was able to exert enough pressure to release the sealant
around the edges. Everything going according to plan.....

Before doing anything naughty with the plumbing arrangements I thought
I'd just drop the new sink into the hole in the worktop to make sure I
didn't need to do any cutting. That's when it became apparent that the
old hole wasn't suitable for the new sink. And yet these sinks have
the same vital dimensions - it's the radius on the corners which is
different and I couldn't find a suitable position where the new sink
would cover all the hole. Whoever fitted this original sink was a bit
too generous with his hole cutting and upon inspection it showed that
the old sink sits precariously on the edges of the hole underneath.

Have had to put the old sink back in, but have changed to a new
monobloc tap (she didn't like the previous taps either). Now have to
await her disappointment when she appears in a couple of hours time.

Looks like I've got to do the whole damn worktop now. This sink sits
in the middle of a 4m section. A job for next summer now that the
outside temperature is dropping......

Why oh why oh why can't the manufacturers agree on the size of holes
for sinks?

Grr......

PoP

PoP wrote:
SWMBO went off to work this morning, happily thinking about the new
stainless steel 1.5 bowl sink I was going to fit to replace the yucky
white plasticky thing that's been bugging her for a while.

Old plasticky thing wouldn't release from the worktop because of the
sealant which was sucking it down, but soon sorted that with a car
jack which was able to exert enough pressure to release the sealant
around the edges. Everything going according to plan.....

Before doing anything naughty with the plumbing arrangements I thought
I'd just drop the new sink into the hole in the worktop to make sure I
didn't need to do any cutting. That's when it became apparent that the
old hole wasn't suitable for the new sink. And yet these sinks have
the same vital dimensions - it's the radius on the corners which is
different and I couldn't find a suitable position where the new sink
would cover all the hole. Whoever fitted this original sink was a bit
too generous with his hole cutting and upon inspection it showed that
the old sink sits precariously on the edges of the hole underneath.

You could do what an accquaintance of mine did, leave holes around the edge.
Nice it is not but goes well with the rest of his DIY quality :-)

PoP wrote:

SWMBO went off to work this morning, happily thinking about the new
stainless steel 1.5 bowl sink I was going to fit to replace the yucky
white plasticky thing that's been bugging her for a while.


I've not long replaced a yucky SS stink with a blue pastic one,
women eh?


Why oh why oh why can't the manufacturers agree on the size of holes
for sinks?


Ah, but they are probably on commission with the worktop
manufacturers

Lee

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I've not long replaced a yucky SS stink with a blue pastic one,
women eh?

Euurgh!

Plastic sinks are horrible. They stain like crazy and you can never get them
clean. I spent more time washing the sink than the contents until I replaced
mine with Stainless Steel. (My new house has a Belfast sink, which is also
easy to clean).

Christian.

"PoP" wrote in message
...
SWMBO went off to work this morning, happily thinking about the new
stainless steel 1.5 bowl sink I was going to fit to replace the yucky
white plasticky thing that's been bugging her for a while.

Old plasticky thing wouldn't release from the worktop because of the
sealant which was sucking it down, but soon sorted that with a car
jack which was able to exert enough pressure to release the sealant
around the edges. Everything going according to plan.....

Before doing anything naughty with the plumbing arrangements I thought
I'd just drop the new sink into the hole in the worktop to make sure I
didn't need to do any cutting. That's when it became apparent that the
old hole wasn't suitable for the new sink. And yet these sinks have
the same vital dimensions - it's the radius on the corners which is
different and I couldn't find a suitable position where the new sink
would cover all the hole. Whoever fitted this original sink was a bit
too generous with his hole cutting and upon inspection it showed that
the old sink sits precariously on the edges of the hole underneath.

Have had to put the old sink back in, but have changed to a new
monobloc tap (she didn't like the previous taps either). Now have to
await her disappointment when she appears in a couple of hours time.

Looks like I've got to do the whole damn worktop now. This sink sits
in the middle of a 4m section. A job for next summer now that the
outside temperature is dropping......

Why oh why oh why can't the manufacturers agree on the size of holes
for sinks?


How about cutting a rectangular section of marine ply big enough to
comfortably cover the existing hole. Then cut a hole for the new sink in the
ply. Screw and glue the ply in place over the existing hole, then tile it
with tiles that coordinate with the current worktop (or maybe plain white).
Finally refit the sink. Not perfect, but a) it might go some way towards
pacifying SWMBO and b) gives you an excuse to buy an electric tile cutter.

Just a thought
Clive

Christian McArdle wrote:

I've not long replaced a yucky SS stink with a blue pastic one,
women eh?


Euurgh!

Plastic sinks are horrible. They stain like crazy and you can never get them
clean. I spent more time washing the sink than the contents until I replaced
mine with Stainless Steel. (My new house has a Belfast sink, which is also
easy to clean).

Christian.



This one still looks like new, mind it doesn't get anything in it except
water... SHMBO won't use anything that doesn't fit in the dishwasher

I can understand the attraction and practicality of Belfast sinks, but
*personally* I think they are ugly and better suited as planters

Lee
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"Clive Summerfield" wrote in message
...

"PoP" wrote in message
...

snip

How about cutting a rectangular section of marine ply big enough to
comfortably cover the existing hole. Then cut a hole for the new sink in
the
ply. Screw and glue the ply in place over the existing hole, then tile it
with tiles that coordinate with the current worktop (or maybe plain
white).
Finally refit the sink. Not perfect, but a) it might go some way towards
pacifying SWMBO and b) gives you an excuse to buy an electric tile cutter.

snip

Another suggestion for a temporary fix....

cut out a new peice of worktop slightly wider than the sink by a few inches
at each end, and fit the new sink into it.
cut out same size from existing worktop plus 1/8 inch extra or so at each
end,
then insert new unit using those horrible metal or plastic worktop joining
strips.

At least SWMBO gets to use her new sink until you get chance to replace the
whole worktop properly....

so what kind of worktop is it?

On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 16:18:11 +0100, "Christian McArdle"
wrote:

Plastic sinks are horrible. They stain like crazy and you can never get them
clean. I spent more time washing the sink than the contents until I replaced
mine with Stainless Steel. (My new house has a Belfast sink, which is also
easy to clean).

That is exactly why SWMBO went off to work so happily this morning. In
about 20 minutes time I'm going to have to face up to the music.....

PoP

On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 16:32:19 +0100, "Jon" wrote:

cut out a new peice of worktop slightly wider than the sink by a few inches
at each end, and fit the new sink into it.
cut out same size from existing worktop plus 1/8 inch extra or so at each
end,
then insert new unit using those horrible metal or plastic worktop joining
strips.

No way. I didn't buy me a brand spanking new Trend T9 router and
kitchen worktop jig recently to start putting these manky aluminium
joining strips in.....

I'm joining the club of "real" worktop joins from now on......just
picked up my first job for one the end of last week.....

PoP

PoP wrote:

the same vital dimensions - it's the radius on the corners which is
different and I couldn't find a suitable position where the new sink
would cover all the hole. Whoever fitted this original sink was a bit

How about a nice hardwood "plinth" that sits under the edge of the sink
all the way round the perimeter. That way the sink sits on a small
platform that raises it (say) 1/2". That would save you needing to match
the worktop finish or from needing to do an invisible join with a bit of
new worktop.

A front on view:-
__
_____\
plinth- /______\
------------- \
Worktop \ - edge of sink
------------- \


Well varnished to match the woodwork in the kitchen and with a nice
routed edge it could actually look quite nice.

If you did not want the extra height you could do the same but route a
rebate into the existing worktop to accept the thickness of the new plinth.

__
________ _____\
w.top |______\
------------- \
\ - edge of sink
\



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On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 17:35:49 +0100, John Rumm
wrote:

Well varnished to match the woodwork in the kitchen and with a nice
routed edge it could actually look quite nice.

If you did not want the extra height you could do the same but route a
rebate into the existing worktop to accept the thickness of the new plinth.

Hadn't really thought of that idea, but it sounds reasonably feasible.

Except that I don't think there's enough gap at the back of the
worktop to do the rebate in-situ. And it's a 4m worktop conveniently
held in place by tile on 3 sides and a worktop joint at one end - not
so easy to whip it out and put it back.

She's home now. Not very happy.....

PoP

"PoP" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 17:35:49 +0100, John Rumm
wrote:

Well varnished to match the woodwork in the kitchen and with a nice
routed edge it could actually look quite nice.

If you did not want the extra height you could do the same but route a
rebate into the existing worktop to accept the thickness of the new
plinth.

Hadn't really thought of that idea, but it sounds reasonably feasible.

Except that I don't think there's enough gap at the back of the
worktop to do the rebate in-situ. And it's a 4m worktop conveniently
held in place by tile on 3 sides and a worktop joint at one end - not
so easy to whip it out and put it back.

She's home now. Not very happy.....

PoP


There's no real reason to rebate the back for a solution that's only going
to last until you can replace the worktop and do job properly. You might
have difficulty rebating the sides to get into the back corners, but then
that's the time when the sharp chisels come out and you finish it off by
hand.

Of course, if you hadn't bought such a big router in the first place you'd
get a lot closer... ;-)

cheers
Richard
--
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email me at
richard at olifant d-ot co do-t uk

"Simon" wrote in message
...
so what kind of worktop is it?


i suppose it doesn't really matter what kind of worktop, but I am guessing
it's a standard laminated chipboard ...... ANYWAY

get a piece of stainless steel larger than the sink, I doubt it will cost
you more than a tenner. put the sink upside down on the steel and mark out
adding about half an inch, then mark out to cut the sink in to the steel,
cut it all out and take off the sharp edges, and you have yourself a
stainless steel sink washer that will fit in perfectly with your sink and
cover the gaps.

Christian McArdle wrote:

I've not long replaced a yucky SS stink with a blue pastic one,
women eh?


Euurgh!

Plastic sinks are horrible. They stain like crazy and you can never get them
clean. I spent more time washing the sink than the contents until I replaced
mine with Stainless Steel. (My new house has a Belfast sink, which is also
easy to clean).



Mineused to get weekly douse of caustic soda crystalks and a kettle of
hot water.

Stoppped it staining, but sadly, the rubber perished and it leaked
instead :-)


Christian.

RichardS wrote:

Except that I don't think there's enough gap at the back of the
worktop to do the rebate in-situ. And it's a 4m worktop conveniently
held in place by tile on 3 sides and a worktop joint at one end - not
so easy to whip it out and put it back.

Do it without the rebate into the worktop then - just makes the sink a
half inch higher and leaves a nice looking wood round the edges of the
sink.

Failing that turn the router on its side!

She's home now. Not very happy.....

smut_mode

Why not try what you can't do with the worktop:-

whip it out and put it back.

Perhaps that will return the smile to her face... ;-)

/smut_mode


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I've not long replaced a yucky SS stink with a blue pastic one,
women eh?

How do you get a woman to go off to work and earn, leaving you to do the
easy stuff?



Why oh why oh why can't the manufacturers agree on the size of holes
for sinks?

Because they're men.

Mary

I can understand the attraction and practicality of Belfast sinks, but
*personally* I think they are ugly and better suited as planters

I have nine in the garden.

I heard that they fetch a great deal on e-bay ...

Mary

In message , Mary Fisher
writes


I've not long replaced a yucky SS stink with a blue pastic one,
women eh?

How do you get a woman to go off to work and earn, leaving you to do the
easy stuff?



Why oh why oh why can't the manufacturers agree on the size of holes
for sinks?

Because they're men.


At least they manager to agree on the shape Mary

ha ha

--
geoff

Mary Fisher wrote:



Why oh why oh why can't the manufacturers agree on the size of holes
for sinks?


Because they're men.



And for that we can be grateful, or we woulkd have cupboards full of
unused sinks, in various styles and colors, some with heels, some with
pointed toes, some with suede finish...and so on :-)


Mary

Lee Blaver wrote:
Christian McArdle wrote:

I've not long replaced a yucky SS stink with a blue pastic one,
women eh?


Euurgh!

Plastic sinks are horrible. They stain like crazy and you can never get them
clean. I spent more time washing the sink than the contents until I replaced
mine with Stainless Steel. (My new house has a Belfast sink, which is also
easy to clean).

Christian.



This one still looks like new, mind it doesn't get anything in it except
water... SHMBO won't use anything that doesn't fit in the dishwasher

I can understand the attraction and practicality of Belfast sinks, but
*personally* I think they are ugly and better suited as planters

I suspect that dropping crockery or glass into a Belfast sink is also
likely to be terminal.

--
Chris Green )

I suspect that dropping crockery or glass into a Belfast sink is
also likely to be terminal.

Crockery and glass go in the dishwasher.

The Belfast will be used for handwashing clothes, washing pans (only when
the dishwasher is too full!) and filling buckets.

Christian.

"geoff" wrote in message
...
In message , Mary Fisher
writes


I've not long replaced a yucky SS stink with a blue pastic one,
women eh?

How do you get a woman to go off to work and earn, leaving you to do the
easy stuff?



Why oh why oh why can't the manufacturers agree on the size of holes
for sinks?

Because they're men.


At least they manager to agree on the shape Mary

Er - square, round, rectangular of a variety of proportions ... that's
agreeing???

Mary

ha ha

--
geoff

Why oh why oh why can't the manufacturers agree on the size of holes
for sinks?


Because they're men.



And for that we can be grateful, or we woulkd have cupboards full of
unused sinks, in various styles and colors, some with heels, some with
pointed toes, some with suede finish...and so on :-)

Er - who do you think designs fashion shoes?

:-)

My shoe collection (apart from Spouse-made Roman, Viking, C15th and
Georgian) comprises white wellies, black sheepskin knee high boots and
sandals. Nothing else fits ...

Mary

On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 18:34:09 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:



Why oh why oh why can't the manufacturers agree on the size of holes
for sinks?


Because they're men.



And for that we can be grateful, or we woulkd have cupboards full of
unused sinks, in various styles and colors, some with heels, some with
pointed toes, some with suede finish...and so on :-)

Er - who do you think designs fashion shoes?

:-)

My shoe collection (apart from Spouse-made Roman, Viking, C15th and
Georgian) comprises white wellies, black sheepskin knee high boots and
sandals. Nothing else fits ...

Mary

40 - 30..... :-)

So you don't see yourself as Yorkshire's answer to Emelda Marcos, then
Mary?? ;-)




..andy

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My shoe collection (apart from Spouse-made Roman, Viking, C15th and
Georgian) comprises white wellies, black sheepskin knee high boots and
sandals. Nothing else fits ...

Mary

40 - 30..... :-)

Huh?

So you don't see yourself as Yorkshire's answer to Emelda Marcos, then
Mary?? ;-)

She didn't have feet which went off the width scale :-(

But I don't have bunions or squashed toes or any of the other ills of
too-tight shoes :-)

The answer to your question is no. But I WOULD like to know what you meant
by 40-30 ...

Mary




.andy

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On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 19:59:32 UTC, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:

My shoe collection (apart from Spouse-made Roman, Viking, C15th and
Georgian) comprises white wellies, black sheepskin knee high boots and
sandals. Nothing else fits ...

40 - 30..... :-)
So you don't see yourself as Yorkshire's answer to Emelda Marcos, then
Mary?? ;-)

She didn't have feet which went off the width scale :-(

But I don't have bunions or squashed toes or any of the other ills of
too-tight shoes :-)

Deuce.

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rde at tavi.co.uk
PC Server 325*4; PS/2s 9585, 8595, 9595*2, 8580*3,
P70...

In uk.d-i-y, Mary Fisher wrote:

The answer to your question is no. But I WOULD like to know what you meant
by 40-30 ...

He's keeping score, tennis-style, in the good-natured spat you're having.
He asserts you're at game point. No pressure, mind ;-)

Not in my name: http://www.stopwar.org.uk/


wrote in message
...
In uk.d-i-y, Mary Fisher wrote:

The answer to your question is no. But I WOULD like to know what you
meant
by 40-30 ...

He's keeping score, tennis-style, in the good-natured spat you're having.
He asserts you're at game point. No pressure, mind ;-)

Oh, of course!

It's such a l-o-n-g time since I played. Can't get the pumps you know ...

Mary

On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 18:31:48 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:

Er - square, round, rectangular of a variety of proportions ... that's
agreeing???

no, I'm pretty sure that comes under variety, flexibility and choice.

Take Care,
Gnube
{too thick for linux}

Mary Fisher wrote:

Why oh why oh why can't the manufacturers agree on the size of holes
for sinks?


Because they're men.



And for that we can be grateful, or we woulkd have cupboards full of
unused sinks, in various styles and colors, some with heels, some with
pointed toes, some with suede finish...and so on :-)


Er - who do you think designs fashion shoes?


The people employed by the companies financed by the women who buy them?

If my admittedly limited knoweldge of the fashion industry is anything
to go on, its as likely to be a woman as a man on the sketchpad.



:-)

My shoe collection (apart from Spouse-made Roman, Viking, C15th and
Georgian) comprises white wellies, black sheepskin knee high boots and
sandals. Nothing else fits ...

Mary

"Gnube" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 18:31:48 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:

Er - square, round, rectangular of a variety of proportions ... that's
agreeing???

no, I'm pretty sure that comes under variety, flexibility and choice.

Ah - a marketing man exposed!

Mary


Take Care,
Gnube
{too thick for linux}

On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:18:10 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:

Ah - a marketing man exposed!

Interestingly, you have managed to come up with a an offering which is
inaccurate by the greatest margin of any answer/retort to any
question/remark I have witnessed in approximately the last 50 years.

I am sure this achievement deserves some form of official recognition,
since it's so astonishingly outstanding! It's easily several 100's of
orders of magnitude further out than it's nearest rival.

The only thing which springs to mind is that you be banished to a
lifetime of listening to Terry Wogan. I've nothing against him per se,
but I think it may be just and it might serve you right! ;O)

Totally in awe,
Buckinghamshire

Ah - a marketing man exposed!

Interestingly, you have managed to come up with a an offering which is
inaccurate by the greatest margin of any answer/retort to any
question/remark I have witnessed in approximately the last 50 years.

It's a gift!

I am sure this achievement deserves some form of official recognition,
since it's so astonishingly outstanding! It's easily several 100's of
orders of magnitude further out than it's nearest rival.

You can't hide inspiration ...

The only thing which springs to mind is that you be banished to a
lifetime of listening to Terry Wogan. I've nothing against him per se,
but I think it may be just and it might serve you right! ;O)

er - no, please, nononono - I submit to anything, I apologise, I confess, I
was wrong, I'm sorry, anything but that ... even an hour would be far too
great a punishment ...

Mary

Totally in awe,
Buckinghamshire