Finally got around to No2 daughters to look at errant washing machine,
whipped the lid off, trusty can of WD40 at the ready.

I'm no electrician, but IMO this item is FUBER. Obvious tracks of water.

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l2...nittywm002.jpg

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l2...nittywm003.jpg

The label reads;

D.E.M.
FLCH 446000
1uF +/- 20% + 2 x 27nF (Y2) +
2 x 2mH +0.33m (ohms sign)
HMF 25/100/21

Google finds the D.E.M. site but a search within finds nowt. General Google
search finds nowt either.

I'm guessing it's some kind of capacitor? If I knew what it was called I
might be able to trace one - or is it a standard component I could buy from
Maplin or similar?


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

"The Medway Handyman" wrote in
message om...
Finally got around to No2 daughters to look at errant washing
machine,
whipped the lid off, trusty can of WD40 at the ready.

I'm no electrician, but IMO this item is FUBER. Obvious tracks of
water.


http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l2...nittywm002.jpg


http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l2...nittywm003.jpg

The label reads;

D.E.M.
FLCH 446000
1uF +/- 20% + 2 x 27nF (Y2) +
2 x 2mH +0.33m (ohms sign)
HMF 25/100/21

Google finds the D.E.M. site but a search within finds nowt.
General Google
search finds nowt either.

I'm guessing it's some kind of capacitor? If I knew what it was
called I
might be able to trace one - or is it a standard component I could
buy from
Maplin or similar?


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk



Looks like a supression filter. Probably on the mains input to stop
the machine putting too much electrical noise back up tt's power lead
to meet some EU fanciful specification. Just possibly it protects the
internal electronics of the timer from noise coming in on the mains
lead, but I doubt it. The 1 microfarad knocks the lower frequencies,
the 27 nanafarad deals with the higher frequencies, both in cohorts
with the 2 millihenry chokes as a pi filter, and the 330 kilo ohm
resistor discharges the 1 microfarad capacitor to stop the punter
getting a shock from the mains plug when disconnected.

I'd expect it to have live & neutral in and lives & neutral out with
an earth, I'd also expect the machine to work without it for test
purposes. The 1 microfarad has probably broken down and over heated
and blown a fuse somewhere as it will be across the mains.

AWEM

"The Medway Handyman" wrote in message
om...
Finally got around to No2 daughters to look at errant washing machine,
whipped the lid off, trusty can of WD40 at the ready.

I'm no electrician, but IMO this item is FUBER. Obvious tracks of water.

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l2...nittywm002.jpg

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l2...nittywm003.jpg

The label reads;

D.E.M.
FLCH 446000
1uF +/- 20% + 2 x 27nF (Y2) +
2 x 2mH +0.33m (ohms sign)
HMF 25/100/21

Google finds the D.E.M. site but a search within finds nowt. General
Google search finds nowt either.

I'm guessing it's some kind of capacitor? If I knew what it was called I
might be able to trace one - or is it a standard component I could buy
from Maplin or similar?


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk



Where was this, both physically within the machine and electrically? How
about an in-focus photo of the label?

Anyway it's a bit more complex than a cap. It looks to me to be an assembly
of 3 caps and 2 inductors and possibly a resistor. Is there a mini-circuit
diagram on the label?

You might also try stating the make and model of the machine as someone here
might have useful info from that angle.

Yup - mains input filter.

The one on my oscilloscope died in spectacular fashion (smoke and
smells) recently.

Simple to swap and replace. Make sure the new one has a suitable
curent rating.

Good news is that it's unlikely to have done any other damage.

The Medway Handyman has brought this to us :
Finally got around to No2 daughters to look at errant washing machine,
whipped the lid off, trusty can of WD40 at the ready.

I'm no electrician, but IMO this item is FUBER. Obvious tracks of water.

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l2...nittywm002.jpg

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l2...nittywm003.jpg

The label reads;

D.E.M.
FLCH 446000
1uF +/- 20% + 2 x 27nF (Y2) +
2 x 2mH +0.33m (ohms sign)
HMF 25/100/21

Google finds the D.E.M. site but a search within finds nowt. General Google
search finds nowt either.

I'm guessing it's some kind of capacitor? If I knew what it was called I
might be able to trace one - or is it a standard component I could buy from
Maplin or similar?

Maplins yes, but that looks like a suppression or filter unit. Trace
the cables and you will probably find that one side goes back to the
mains flex with the 13amp plug on its other end. The machine could be
made to work without it, but for the sake of your neighbours, best to
source a replacement.

--
Regards,
Harry (M1BYT) (L)
http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk

"Andrew Mawson" wrote in message
...

"The Medway Handyman" wrote in
message om...
Finally got around to No2 daughters to look at errant washing
machine,
whipped the lid off, trusty can of WD40 at the ready.

I'm no electrician, but IMO this item is FUBER. Obvious tracks of
water.


http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l2...nittywm002.jpg


http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l2...nittywm003.jpg

The label reads;

D.E.M.
FLCH 446000
1uF +/- 20% + 2 x 27nF (Y2) +
2 x 2mH +0.33m (ohms sign)
HMF 25/100/21

Google finds the D.E.M. site but a search within finds nowt.
General Google
search finds nowt either.

I'm guessing it's some kind of capacitor? If I knew what it was
called I
might be able to trace one - or is it a standard component I could
buy from
Maplin or similar?


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk



Looks like a supression filter. Probably on the mains input to stop
the machine putting too much electrical noise back up tt's power lead
to meet some EU fanciful specification. Just possibly it protects the
internal electronics of the timer from noise coming in on the mains
lead, but I doubt it. The 1 microfarad knocks the lower frequencies,
the 27 nanafarad deals with the higher frequencies, both in cohorts
with the 2 millihenry chokes as a pi filter, and the 330 kilo ohm
resistor discharges the 1 microfarad capacitor to stop the punter
getting a shock from the mains plug when disconnected.

I'd expect it to have live & neutral in and lives & neutral out with
an earth, I'd also expect the machine to work without it for test
purposes. The 1 microfarad has probably broken down and over heated
and blown a fuse somewhere as it will be across the mains.


I'd agree, and certainly temporarily I'd be tempted to bypass the device by
connecting the 2 neutrals together, and the two lives together. It's
unlikely that any damage would result, especially if there's another
appliance with a similar device plugged into the trailing socket!

If you're feeling rich then one these might do, although the values of
capacitance are lower.
http://uk.farnell.com/epcos/b84111ab...sis/dp/9752030 I would
have thought any domestic appliance repair outlet would have a supply of
this type of suppression device.

Andrew Mawson wrote:
"The Medway Handyman" wrote in
message om...
Finally got around to No2 daughters to look at errant washing
machine, whipped the lid off, trusty can of WD40 at the ready.

I'm no electrician, but IMO this item is FUBER. Obvious tracks of
water.


http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l2...nittywm002.jpg


http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l2...nittywm003.jpg

The label reads;

D.E.M.
FLCH 446000
1uF +/- 20% + 2 x 27nF (Y2) +
2 x 2mH +0.33m (ohms sign)
HMF 25/100/21

Google finds the D.E.M. site but a search within finds nowt. General
Google search finds nowt either.

I'm guessing it's some kind of capacitor? If I knew what it was
called I might be able to trace one - or is it a standard component
I could buy from Maplin or similar?


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk



Looks like a supression filter. Probably on the mains input to stop
the machine putting too much electrical noise back up tt's power lead
to meet some EU fanciful specification. Just possibly it protects the
internal electronics of the timer from noise coming in on the mains
lead, but I doubt it. The 1 microfarad knocks the lower frequencies,
the 27 nanafarad deals with the higher frequencies, both in cohorts
with the 2 millihenry chokes as a pi filter, and the 330 kilo ohm
resistor discharges the 1 microfarad capacitor to stop the punter
getting a shock from the mains plug when disconnected.

I'd expect it to have live & neutral in and lives & neutral out with
an earth, I'd also expect the machine to work without it for test
purposes. The 1 microfarad has probably broken down and over heated
and blown a fuse somewhere as it will be across the mains.

Thanks Andrew. It was indeed wired exactly as you say, but had two neutrals
going out - or at least two blue wires.


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

Calvin Sambrook wrote:
"The Medway Handyman" wrote in
message om...
Finally got around to No2 daughters to look at errant washing
machine, whipped the lid off, trusty can of WD40 at the ready.

I'm no electrician, but IMO this item is FUBER. Obvious tracks of
water.
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l2...nittywm002.jpg

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l2...nittywm003.jpg

The label reads;

D.E.M.
FLCH 446000
1uF +/- 20% + 2 x 27nF (Y2) +
2 x 2mH +0.33m (ohms sign)
HMF 25/100/21

Google finds the D.E.M. site but a search within finds nowt. General
Google search finds nowt either.

I'm guessing it's some kind of capacitor? If I knew what it was
called I might be able to trace one - or is it a standard component
I could buy from Maplin or similar?


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk



Where was this, both physically within the machine and electrically? How
about an in-focus photo of the label?

Top corner, terminals facing up, right under the lid. Dishwasher (table top
type) was stacked on top with inlet/outlet right above. Dishwasher has
leaked - obvious stains to lid of WM.

Electrically clockwise from bracket (which is earth) N in, N out, L out, L
in.

Anyway it's a bit more complex than a cap. It looks to me to be an
assembly of 3 caps and 2 inductors and possibly a resistor. Is there
a mini-circuit diagram on the label?

There is, but it been wet & is difficult to make out. This photo isn't much
better http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l2...s/click001.jpg

You might also try stating the make and model of the machine as
someone here might have useful info from that angle.

Hotpoint HNL 6146


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

On Sun, 06 Sep 2009 13:27:38 GMT, "The Medway Handyman"
wrote:

Finally got around to No2 daughters to look at errant washing machine,
whipped the lid off, trusty can of WD40 at the ready.

I'm no electrician, but IMO this item is FUBER. Obvious tracks of water.

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l2...nittywm002.jpg

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l2...nittywm003.jpg

I can't find your original post where you gave the manufacturer and model number
:-) but this site has a picture (you can zoom to read the label) £9.49 +postage
http://www.espares.co.uk/product.aspx?id=669962

one on ebay as well -item number 350104599801 (about £11.50 inc postage)
Ebay also sell cameras.

--
Geo

Geo wrote:
On Sun, 06 Sep 2009 13:27:38 GMT, "The Medway Handyman"
wrote:

Finally got around to No2 daughters to look at errant washing
machine, whipped the lid off, trusty can of WD40 at the ready.

I'm no electrician, but IMO this item is FUBER. Obvious tracks of
water.

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l2...nittywm002.jpg

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l2...nittywm003.jpg

I can't find your original post where you gave the manufacturer and
model number :-) but this site has a picture (you can zoom to read
the label) £9.49 +postage
http://www.espares.co.uk/product.aspx?id=669962

one on ebay as well -item number 350104599801 (about £11.50 inc
postage)

Top man, ordered - thank you very much.

Ebay also sell cameras.

Got a Vivicam 5024 but took those on my elderly Nokia.


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

In message , The Medway
Handyman writes
Finally got around to No2 daughters to look at errant washing machine,
whipped the lid off, trusty can of WD40 at the ready.

I'm no electrician, but IMO this item is FUBER. Obvious tracks of water.

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l2...nittywm002.jpg

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l2...nittywm003.jpg

The label reads;

D.E.M.
FLCH 446000
1uF +/- 20% + 2 x 27nF (Y2) +
2 x 2mH +0.33m (ohms sign)
HMF 25/100/21

Mains filter - should be reasonably easily available, if not give me a
ring, I'll get one for you


--
geoff

On Sep 6, 2:27*pm, "The Medway Handyman"
wrote:
Finally got around to No2 daughters to look at errant washing machine,
whipped the lid off, trusty can of WD40 at the ready.

I'm no electrician, but IMO this item is FUBER. *Obvious tracks of water.

On Sep 6, 5:20Â*pm, "The Medway Handyman"
wrote:
Geo wrote:

Ebay also sell cameras.

Got a Vivicam 5024 but took those on my elderly Nokia.

Really?

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l2...s/click001.jpg

ImageDescription - My beautiful picture
Make - ViviCam
Model - V5024 ž
Orientation - Top left
YResolution - 180
ResolutionUnit - Inch
Software - 1310DT2JSMI3120VT005
DateTime - 2009:03:26 12:10:32

Need I go on?

Part timer wrote:
On Sep 6, 5:20 pm, "The Medway Handyman"
wrote:
Geo wrote:

Ebay also sell cameras.

Got a Vivicam 5024 but took those on my elderly Nokia.

Really?

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l2...s/click001.jpg

ImageDescription - My beautiful picture
Make - ViviCam
Model - V5024 z
Orientation - Top left
YResolution - 180
ResolutionUnit - Inch
Software - 1310DT2JSMI3120VT005
DateTime - 2009:03:26 12:10:32

Need I go on?

Not really, unless you have **** all better to do.

The two links in the post you refer to were taken on my Nokia, the third
photo was taken on the Vivicam.

Get a life.


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

"The Medway Handyman" wrote in message
om...
Part timer wrote:
On Sep 6, 5:20 pm, "The Medway Handyman"
wrote:
Geo wrote:

Ebay also sell cameras.

Got a Vivicam 5024 but took those on my elderly Nokia.

Really?

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l2...s/click001.jpg

ImageDescription - My beautiful picture
Make - ViviCam
Model - V5024 z
Orientation - Top left
YResolution - 180
ResolutionUnit - Inch
Software - 1310DT2JSMI3120VT005
DateTime - 2009:03:26 12:10:32

Need I go on?

Not really, unless you have **** all better to do.

The two links in the post you refer to were taken on my Nokia, the third
photo was taken on the Vivicam.

Get a life.

Does your vivicam have a macro mode? Many cameras have one, often selectable
using a little picture of a tulip. It's what you should use when taking
close-ups like you've done in this thread.

If you don't have a macro mode, take the photo from further away - you've
got a habit of posting out of focus pictures, and a smaller but in focus one
would be a lot better. Also check the picture on the little screen, if
necessary zooming in. That'll give you instant feedback so you can have
another go at getting a picture which isn't a blurry mess.

Clive George wrote:
"The Medway Handyman" wrote in message
om...
Part timer wrote:
On Sep 6, 5:20 pm, "The Medway Handyman"
wrote:
Geo wrote:
Ebay also sell cameras.
Got a Vivicam 5024 but took those on my elderly Nokia.
Really?

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l2...s/click001.jpg

ImageDescription - My beautiful picture
Make - ViviCam
Model - V5024 z
Orientation - Top left
YResolution - 180
ResolutionUnit - Inch
Software - 1310DT2JSMI3120VT005
DateTime - 2009:03:26 12:10:32

Need I go on?
Not really, unless you have **** all better to do.

The two links in the post you refer to were taken on my Nokia, the third
photo was taken on the Vivicam.

Get a life.

Does your vivicam have a macro mode? Many cameras have one, often selectable
using a little picture of a tulip. It's what you should use when taking
close-ups like you've done in this thread.

If you don't have a macro mode, take the photo from further away - you've
got a habit of posting out of focus pictures, and a smaller but in focus one
would be a lot better. Also check the picture on the little screen, if
necessary zooming in. That'll give you instant feedback so you can have
another go at getting a picture which isn't a blurry mess.


IME the little screen is too little to tell you whether a shot is in
focus. The little beep or little green light when half squeezing the
shutter is a better guide

"Stuart Noble" wrote in message
om...

Does your vivicam have a macro mode? Many cameras have one, often
selectable using a little picture of a tulip. It's what you should use
when taking close-ups like you've done in this thread.

If you don't have a macro mode, take the photo from further away - you've
got a habit of posting out of focus pictures, and a smaller but in focus
one would be a lot better. Also check the picture on the little screen,
if necessary zooming in. That'll give you instant feedback so you can
have another go at getting a picture which isn't a blurry mess.
IME the little screen is too little to tell you whether a shot is in
focus. The little beep or little green light when half squeezing the
shutter is a better guide

Maybe I've got a better camera - if I've taken a photo where I wasn't sure
of the focus (closeup of something moving for example), zooming in on the
image has shown if it's in focus or not. But yeah, seeing if the the camera
thinks it's got focus is also a good idea :-)

The Medway Handyman wrote:
Finally got around to No2 daughters to look at errant washing machine,
whipped the lid off, trusty can of WD40 at the ready.

I'm no electrician, but IMO this item is FUBER. Obvious tracks of water.

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l2...nittywm002.jpg

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l2...nittywm003.jpg

The label reads;

D.E.M.
FLCH 446000
1uF +/- 20% + 2 x 27nF (Y2) +
2 x 2mH +0.33m (ohms sign)
HMF 25/100/21

Google finds the D.E.M. site but a search within finds nowt. General Google
search finds nowt either.

I'm guessing it's some kind of capacitor? If I knew what it was called I
might be able to trace one - or is it a standard component I could buy from
Maplin or similar?



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