Any feedback on these wood preservers would be welcome


Barrettine Clear Wood Preserver 5Ltr £19.92
Barrettine Light Brown Wood Preserver 5Ltr £19.23

Bartoline Dark creosoate Substitute 4Ltr £6.81
"New formula Creosote.
Solvent based ready to use wood preservative for amateur use against
wood rotting fungal and surface algae on external timber only.
Coverage is 6-8 square meters per litre."

Are these creosote subs as good as the real thing? Do they kill all
nearby plants?


NT

On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 08:17:33 -0700 (PDT), NT wrote:


Are these creosote subs as good as the real thing? Do they kill all
nearby plants?

Is that what you want it for?

--
Geo

On 18 Aug, 16:17, NT wrote:
Any feedback on these wood preservers would be welcome

Barrettine Clear Wood Preserver 5Ltr £19.92
Barrettine Light Brown Wood Preserver 5Ltr £19.23

Bartoline Dark creosoate Substitute 4Ltr £6.81
"New formula Creosote.
Solvent based ready to use wood preservative for amateur use against
wood rotting fungal and surface algae on external timber only.
Coverage is 6-8 square meters per litre."

Are these creosote subs as good as the real thing? Do they kill all
nearby plants?

NT

No
Chris

NT wrote:

Any feedback on these wood preservers would be welcome


Bartoline Dark creosoate Substitute 4Ltr £6.81
"New formula Creosote.
Solvent based ready to use wood preservative for amateur use against
wood rotting fungal and surface algae on external timber only.
Coverage is 6-8 square meters per litre."

Are these creosote subs as good as the real thing? Do they kill all
nearby plants?


NT

if you are asking if it is the same or as good as coal tar creosote*then the
answer is no
http://www.bartoline.co.uk/News_View.aspx?Articleid=5
but IMHO its better then any of the water based products
\0

In message
, NT
writes
Any feedback on these wood preservers would be welcome


Barrettine Clear Wood Preserver 5Ltr £19.92
Barrettine Light Brown Wood Preserver 5Ltr £19.23

I keep asking about these here, too. It usually kills the thread dead in
it's tracks, so they achieve that.

I've used the clear. I treated the end boards of the shed with it. It's
early days but nothing has deteriorated yet. It can be overpainted after
the solvent has evaporated, and I've put some water based rubbish over
the top to match the rest of the shed. The water based stuff has not
been very successful on its own on the older parts of the shed.

I poured the Barrettine Clear into a more manageable container at a
Workmate in the middle of the lawn and spilt a little. The grass there
is now dead. Next time I will decant over the path and kill the stone
and possibly two birds.

My lovely wife wants me to get the front fence to a nice golden colour.
All the pretendosote stuff is too dark, even the 'golden brown' drying
to a sort of dirty dark brown on the bits I've tried, so I will probably
try to get some Barrettine golden version of the clear stuff.
Unfortunately, only clear seems to be sold locally.
--
Bill

On Aug 18, 11:25*pm, Bill wrote:
In message
, NT
writes

Any feedback on these wood preservers would be welcome

Barrettine Clear Wood Preserver 5Ltr £19.92
Barrettine Light Brown Wood Preserver 5Ltr £19.23

I keep asking about these here, too. It usually kills the thread dead in
it's tracks, so they achieve that.

I've used the clear. I treated the end boards of the shed with it. It's
early days but nothing has deteriorated yet. It can be overpainted after
the solvent has evaporated, and I've put some water based rubbish over
the top to match the rest of the shed. The water based stuff has not
been very successful on its own on the older parts of the shed.

I poured the Barrettine Clear into a more manageable container at a
Workmate in the middle of the lawn and spilt a little. The grass there
is now dead. Next time I will decant over the path and kill the stone
and possibly two birds.

My lovely wife wants me to get the front fence to a nice golden colour.
All the pretendosote stuff is too dark, even the 'golden brown' drying
to a sort of dirty dark brown on the bits I've tried, so I will probably
try to get some Barrettine golden version of the clear stuff.
Unfortunately, only clear seems to be sold locally.

I guess I'll just give them both a try. Cheers Bill.


NT

On 18 Aug, 16:17, NT wrote:
Any feedback on these wood preservers would be welcome

Barrettine Clear Wood Preserver 5Ltr £19.92
Barrettine Light Brown Wood Preserver 5Ltr £19.23

Bartoline Dark creosoate Substitute 4Ltr £6.81
"New formula Creosote.
Solvent based ready to use wood preservative for amateur use against
wood rotting fungal and surface algae on external timber only.
Coverage is 6-8 square meters per litre."

Are these creosote subs as good as the real thing? Do they kill all
nearby plants?

NT

NT
Barretime Clear
WOOD PRESERVATIVES 7723 3-IODO-2-PROPYNYL-N-BUTYL CARBAMATE +
PROPICONAZOLE BARRETTINE W.S.P. CLEAR WOOD PRESERVER BARRETTINE
PRODUCTS LTD AMATEUR View

Barretime 'Brown' not found on HSE products but this might be it
WOOD PRESERVATIVES 8259 PROPICONAZOLE PERMETHRIN BARRETTINE
PREMIER UNIVERSAL TREATMENT BARRETTINE PRODUCTS LTD AMATEUR

The only other HSE amateur product listed is this
WOOD PRESERVATIVES 7725 3-IODO-2-PROPYNYL-N-BUTYL CARBAMATE +
PERMETHRIN + PROPICONAZOLE BARRETTINE W.S.P. UNIVERSAL PRESERVER
BARRETTINE PRODUCTS LTD AMATEUR



Creosote substitute is just that and really has very little of the
effect of true creosote which is banned for use by amateurs and which
is in restricted use in plants for professionals

You may find that the information on Active Ingredients that follows
of some use
Propiconazole

is a systemic foliar fungicide with a broad range of activity. It is
used on grasses grown for seed, mushrooms, corn, wild rice, peanuts,
almonds, sorghum, oats, pecans, apricots, peaches, nectarines, plums
and prunes. On cereals it controls diseases caused by Erysiphe
graminis, Leptosphaeria nodorum, Pseudocerosporella herpotrichoides,
Puccinia spp., Pyrenophora teres, Rhynchosporium secalis, and Septoria
spp. (1, 2, 4).

Propiconazole's mode of action is demethylation of C-14 during
ergosterol biosynthesis, and leading to accumulation of C-14 methyl
sterols. The biosynthesis of these ergosterols is critical to the
formation of cell walls of fungi. This lack of normal sterol
production slows or stops the growth of the fungus, effectively
preventing further infection and/or invasion of host tissues.
Therefore, propiconazole is considered to be fungistatic or growth
inhibiting rather than fungicidal or killing (2).


Iodopropynyl Butylcarbamate
is used as a broad spectrum biocide or preservative to inhibit the
growth of microorganisms. End applications include metal working
fluids, polymer emulsions, and pigment dispersions, cosmetics,
household products, paints, adhesives, cements and inks. Carbamic acid
is a compound of chemical formula H2NCOOH. But it exists only in the
form of carbamate (its salt or ester), carbamide (amide) and carbamoyl
(acyl radical). Carbamates , with general formula -NH(CO)O-, have
functional groups next to the carbonyl group. Carbamate is formed when
a carbon dioxide reacts with the amino group the COO- group is a
resonance structure. Carbamate structure inhibits cholinesterase and
many insecticides and parasiticides contain carbamate fuctional group.
Carbamate is a poisonous ingredient in insecticide. Other common
examples of poisonous ingredients in insecticide include
organophosphates and dichlorobenzenes. It is highly toxic to human
also. Heavy exposure to IT can cause carbamate poisoning. Natural
carbamide (urea) can be found in protein metabolism in urine.
Carbamoyl is the radical NH2CO-, also called carbamyl. It is a radical
formed from an organic acid by removal of a hydroxyl group. It is
involved in the biosynthesis of the pyrimidine ring. Carbamoyl
compounds, such as salicylamides, are important for the preparation of
pharmaceutical products, pesticides, dyes, and biosynthesis
researches.

Permethryn is a synthetic product used as an insecticide

None of these products are anything like as effective as the ones that
the EU has removed from our arsenal of AIs

Best protection is to keep out water by design.
Chris

On Aug 19, 9:59*am, "Why?" wrote:
On 18 Aug, 16:17, NT wrote:

Any feedback on these wood preservers would be welcome

Barrettine Clear Wood Preserver 5Ltr £19.92
Barrettine Light Brown Wood Preserver 5Ltr £19.23

Bartoline Dark creosoate Substitute 4Ltr £6.81
"New formula Creosote.
Solvent based ready to use wood preservative for amateur use against
wood rotting fungal and surface algae on external timber only.
Coverage is 6-8 square meters per litre."

Are these creosote subs as good as the real thing? Do they kill all
nearby plants?

NT

NT
Barretime Clear
WOOD PRESERVATIVES * * *7723 * *3-IODO-2-PROPYNYL-N-BUTYL CARBAMATE +
PROPICONAZOLE * BARRETTINE W.S.P. CLEAR WOOD PRESERVER *BARRETTINE
PRODUCTS LTD * *AMATEUR * * * * View

Barretime 'Brown' not found on HSE products but this might be it
WOOD PRESERVATIVES * * *8259 * *PROPICONAZOLE PERMETHRIN * * * *BARRETTINE
PREMIER UNIVERSAL TREATMENT * * BARRETTINE PRODUCTS LTD * * * * AMATEUR

The only other HSE amateur product listed is this
WOOD PRESERVATIVES * * *7725 * *3-IODO-2-PROPYNYL-N-BUTYL CARBAMATE +
PERMETHRIN + PROPICONAZOLE * * *BARRETTINE W.S.P. UNIVERSAL PRESERVER
BARRETTINE PRODUCTS LTD * * * * AMATEUR

Creosote substitute is just that and really has very little of the
effect of true creosote which is banned for use by amateurs and which
is in restricted use in plants for professionals

You may find that the information on Active Ingredients that follows
of some use
Propiconazole

is a systemic foliar fungicide with a broad range of activity. It is
used on grasses grown for seed, mushrooms, corn, wild rice, peanuts,
almonds, sorghum, oats, pecans, apricots, peaches, nectarines, plums
and prunes. On cereals it controls diseases caused by Erysiphe
graminis, Leptosphaeria nodorum, Pseudocerosporella herpotrichoides,
Puccinia spp., Pyrenophora teres, Rhynchosporium secalis, and Septoria
spp. (1, 2, 4).

Propiconazole's mode of action is demethylation of C-14 during
ergosterol biosynthesis, and leading to accumulation of C-14 methyl
sterols. The biosynthesis of these ergosterols is critical to the
formation of cell walls of fungi. This lack of normal sterol
production slows or stops the growth of the fungus, effectively
preventing further infection and/or invasion of host tissues.
Therefore, propiconazole is considered to be fungistatic or growth
inhibiting rather than fungicidal or killing (2).

Iodopropynyl Butylcarbamate
is used as a broad spectrum biocide or preservative to inhibit the
growth of microorganisms. End applications include metal working
fluids, polymer emulsions, and pigment dispersions, cosmetics,
household products, paints, adhesives, cements and inks. Carbamic acid
is a compound of chemical formula H2NCOOH. But it exists only in the
form of carbamate (its salt or ester), carbamide (amide) and carbamoyl
(acyl radical). Carbamates , with general formula -NH(CO)O-, have
functional groups next to the carbonyl group. Carbamate is formed when
a carbon dioxide reacts with the amino group the COO- group is a
resonance structure. Carbamate structure inhibits cholinesterase and
many insecticides and parasiticides contain carbamate fuctional group.
Carbamate is a poisonous ingredient in insecticide. Other common
examples of poisonous ingredients in insecticide include
organophosphates and dichlorobenzenes. It is highly toxic to human
also. Heavy exposure to IT can cause carbamate poisoning. Natural
carbamide (urea) can be found in protein metabolism in urine.
Carbamoyl is the radical NH2CO-, also called carbamyl. It is a radical
formed from an organic acid by removal of a hydroxyl group. It is
involved in the biosynthesis of the pyrimidine ring. Carbamoyl
compounds, such as salicylamides, are important for the preparation of
pharmaceutical products, pesticides, dyes, and biosynthesis
researches.

Permethryn is a synthetic product used as an insecticide

None of these products are anything like as effective as the ones that
the EU has removed from our arsenal of AIs

Best protection is to keep out water by design.
Chris

cheers chris. Is there anything one can add to these preparations to
improve their effectivness, eg a copper salt or cu powder?


NT

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, NT
writes


snippage..

Permethryn is a synthetic product used as an insecticide

None of these products are anything like as effective as the ones that
the EU has removed from our arsenal of AIs

Best protection is to keep out water by design.
Chris

cheers chris. Is there anything one can add to these preparations to
improve their effectivness, eg a copper salt or cu powder?

Boron.

regards

--
Tim Lamb

On Aug 19, 8:48*pm, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message
, NT
writes



snippage..

Permethryn is a synthetic product used as an insecticide

None of these products are anything like as effective as the ones that
the EU has removed from our arsenal of AIs

Best protection is to keep out water by design.
Chris

cheers chris. Is there anything one can add to these preparations to
improve their effectivness, eg a copper salt or cu powder?

Boron.

regards

in what form, borax?


NT

In message
, NT
writes
On Aug 19, 8:48*pm, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message
, NT
writes



snippage..

Permethryn is a synthetic product used as an insecticide

None of these products are anything like as effective as the ones that
the EU has removed from our arsenal of AIs

Best protection is to keep out water by design.
Chris

cheers chris. Is there anything one can add to these preparations to
improve their effectivness, eg a copper salt or cu powder?

Boron.

regards

in what form, borax?

I am not a chemist:-)

Look up Probor manufactured by Safeguard Europe Ltd but there are dozens
of formulations available for rot and boring insect protection.

Probably disodium octoborate!

regards

--
Tim Lamb