My daughter shortly going to UCA for photography (lucky girl) where macs are
recommended.

She has a reasonable spec pc (XP)

Can she emulate the mac os within windows or would the advice be to shell
out for a mac laptop

Assuming the mac laptop, can the two systems network and talk to each other
easily.

Many thanks

Peter

On Sun, 7 Jun 2009 10:56:35 +0100 someone who may be "Peter"
wrote this:-

My daughter shortly going to UCA for photography (lucky girl) where macs are
recommended.

She has a reasonable spec pc (XP)

Can she emulate the mac os within windows or would the advice be to shell
out for a mac laptop

When I looked into it, some years ago, emulating a Mac on a PC was
difficult due to Apple wanting to screw money out of people.
However, someone may have cracked it by now.

Assuming the mac laptop, can the two systems network and talk to each other
easily.

Yes.


--
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David Hansen wrote:
On Sun, 7 Jun 2009 10:56:35 +0100 someone who may be "Peter"
wrote this:-

My daughter shortly going to UCA for photography (lucky girl) where macs are
recommended.

She has a reasonable spec pc (XP)

Can she emulate the mac os within windows or would the advice be to shell
out for a mac laptop

When I looked into it, some years ago, emulating a Mac on a PC was
difficult due to Apple wanting to screw money out of people.
However, someone may have cracked it by now.

Assuming the mac laptop, can the two systems network and talk to each other
easily.

Yes.


Well.. yes AND no.

There is a lot about a mac that doesn't map well into a PC environment.

The network here has a PC, linux with Xp under Vmware, Linux as a
server, and a Mac. Used to be two macs, but I got fed up with it..

Whilst data can be changed, there are a lot of issues.

Macs don't just have files, they have files *about* the files. when you
flip data to a winpeecee that gets lost.

Likewise, a lot of Mac stuff is almost indechipherable to a PeeCee -
I-photo for example. Don't even go there with a PeeCee at the file level.

If she is doing a photo course, and they are using macs, you want her to
be concentrating on the course, not struggling with computer issues.

get a secondhand PowerPc mac is my advice. now mac has 'gone intel' a
lot around at sane prices.

www.scrumpymacs.co.uk for example.

Or I've got a couple of rather slow G4's (400/450Mhz) here need a good home.

"Peter" wrote in message
...
My daughter shortly going to UCA for photography (lucky girl) where macs
are recommended.

She has a reasonable spec pc (XP)

Can she emulate the mac os within windows or would the advice be to shell
out for a mac laptop

Assuming the mac laptop, can the two systems network and talk to each
other easily.

Many thanks

Peter


Well I emulate Windows 2003 Server and Vista Business Edition using
Virtual PC on my XP pro laptop, and although it does all work it isn't
exactly fast (you wouldn't expect it to be) and you can't beat using the
native OS for real-time stuff.

Looks like you are going to have to buy her a going away present.

--
Graham.

%Profound_observation%

On Sun, 7 Jun 2009 10:56:35 +0100
"Peter" wrote:

My daughter shortly going to UCA for photography (lucky girl) where macs are
recommended.

She has a reasonable spec pc (XP)

Can she emulate the mac os within windows or would the advice be to shell
out for a mac laptop

Assuming the mac laptop, can the two systems network and talk to each other
easily.


Given the amount of money you are going to spend on the degree/diploma
etc.. the additional cost of a proper MAC has to be recommended. I
can do everything a MAC can do to photos with The Gimp under
Windows or Ubuntu Linux, but I've been using UNIX since 1975 - and it
isn't easy.
She wants to learn photography, not computer science - get her a Mac.

FBCS CITP

Wait for a couple of weeks into term-time.

See what everyone else is buying (as the latest version of the
operating system may be needed for some software to run).

Get the Apple student discounts on machines (possibly bundled with the
right software).

Make sure she has somewhere secure to keep it (new students being a
top target for thefts) - and insurance.

"RubberBiker" wrote in message
...
Wait for a couple of weeks into term-time.

See what everyone else is buying (as the latest version of the
operating system may be needed for some software to run).

Get the Apple student discounts on machines (possibly bundled with the
right software).

Make sure she has somewhere secure to keep it (new students being a
top target for thefts) - and insurance.


Many thanks to all, needs to be a laptop, 20% discount at the Uni, and will
wait till she is there.
I'm fairly pc literate (no zip zero mac experience) but the apple laptop
price range is a bit of a shock. For photo/some film editing/cad/ 3D etc I
assume higher end versions.

Peter

TheOldFellow wrote:
On Sun, 7 Jun 2009 10:56:35 +0100
"Peter" wrote:

My daughter shortly going to UCA for photography (lucky girl) where macs are
recommended.

She has a reasonable spec pc (XP)

Can she emulate the mac os within windows or would the advice be to shell
out for a mac laptop

Assuming the mac laptop, can the two systems network and talk to each other
easily.


Given the amount of money you are going to spend on the degree/diploma
etc.. the additional cost of a proper MAC has to be recommended. I
can do everything a MAC can do to photos with The Gimp under
Windows or Ubuntu Linux, but I've been using UNIX since 1975 - and it
isn't easy.
She wants to learn photography, not computer science - get her a Mac.

Exactly. The student discount is a help - mac prices are a complete
ripoff - or go secondhand. Mac users are fashion farts, and always want
the latest trendy crap.

Oh, and the gimp cannot do everything that photoshop can, which is
likely the program she will use the most. And certainly not in the same
waty. It cannot adjust color temperature easily for one thing. Leastways
I've not found a way. It is however stupendous for those with no
money..its NEARLY as good.




FBCS CITP

The Natural Philosopher gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying:

Oh, and the gimp cannot do everything that photoshop can, which is
likely the program she will use the most. And certainly not in the same
waty. It cannot adjust color temperature easily for one thing. Leastways
I've not found a way.

http://registry.gimp.org/taxonomy/term/709

On Sun, 7 Jun 2009 10:50:59 UTC, RubberBiker wrote:

Wait for a couple of weeks into term-time.

See what everyone else is buying (as the latest version of the
operating system may be needed for some software to run).

Get the Apple student discounts on machines (possibly bundled with the
right software).

Make sure she has somewhere secure to keep it (new students being a
top target for thefts) - and insurance.

And a side note...when unloading the car into her room, lock the doors
(car and room) even if it's only for 30 seconds...gangs watch people
unloading, time the cycle, and grab stuff in the short gaps.
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Peter wrote:

Many thanks to all, needs to be a laptop, 20% discount at the Uni, and will
wait till she is there.

Definately wait for the HE discount (although I heard of poeple getting the
HE discount before going if they can show evidence of an unconditional
offer)...

It's fairly generous discount - and a big bonus is that you get 3 yr hardware
support for free when purchased under the HE agreement. She might also get
a free ipod touch (I think that's this years deal).

I'm fairly pc literate (no zip zero mac experience) but the apple laptop
price range is a bit of a shock. For photo/some film editing/cad/ 3D etc I
assume higher end versions.

I suspect a macbook would be fine - the only thing she might want a macbook
pro for would be video work as it has firewire.

Macbook alu with 4GB ram is a pretty powerful laptop - and yes, they are
expensive compared to PCs...but the build quality tends to be better in
my experience.

Darren

On Sun, 7 Jun 2009 10:56:35 +0100, "Peter"
wrote:

My daughter shortly going to UCA for photography (lucky girl) where macs are
recommended.

She has a reasonable spec pc (XP)

Can she emulate the mac os within windows or would the advice be to shell
out for a mac laptop

Assuming the mac laptop, can the two systems network and talk to each other
easily.

Many thanks

Peter


Since no-one else has mentioned it...

It s possible to install the MacOS on a standard PC.
However, you have to make sure that the hardware is supported by
MacOS.
For example there is loads of info on the web for turning a Dell Mini
9 laptop (9 inch screen) into a Mac. These were ideal because MacOS
had drivers for most of the bits, or people managed to find them AND
they were cheap (£200 ish).
However, Dell have stopped selling these.

It's non-trivial and involves downloading torrents from dodgy
websites.

Here's a link but there are loads of others
http://www.mydellmini.com/forum/mac-os-x/

wrote in message
...
On Sun, 7 Jun 2009 10:56:35 +0100, "Peter"
wrote:

My daughter shortly going to UCA for photography (lucky girl) where macs
are
recommended.

She has a reasonable spec pc (XP)

Can she emulate the mac os within windows or would the advice be to shell
out for a mac laptop

Assuming the mac laptop, can the two systems network and talk to each
other
easily.

Many thanks

Peter


Since no-one else has mentioned it...

It s possible to install the MacOS on a standard PC.
However, you have to make sure that the hardware is supported by
MacOS.
For example there is loads of info on the web for turning a Dell Mini
9 laptop (9 inch screen) into a Mac. These were ideal because MacOS
had drivers for most of the bits, or people managed to find them AND
they were cheap (£200 ish).
However, Dell have stopped selling these.

It's non-trivial and involves downloading torrents from dodgy
websites.

Here's a link but there are loads of others
http://www.mydellmini.com/forum/mac-os-x/


Does that mean dual boot is possible?

Can you look at files with both OS's?

wrote:
On Sun, 7 Jun 2009 10:56:35 +0100, "Peter"
wrote:

My daughter shortly going to UCA for photography (lucky girl) where macs are
recommended.

She has a reasonable spec pc (XP)

Can she emulate the mac os within windows or would the advice be to shell
out for a mac laptop

Assuming the mac laptop, can the two systems network and talk to each other
easily.

Many thanks

Peter


Since no-one else has mentioned it...

It s possible to install the MacOS on a standard PC.

Possible, but never easy.

You need some hacks. A PC wont boot a mac install disk at all.

And this is NOT what you want to do for someone who just wants a mac to USE.


However, you have to make sure that the hardware is supported by
MacOS.
For example there is loads of info on the web for turning a Dell Mini
9 laptop (9 inch screen) into a Mac. These were ideal because MacOS
had drivers for most of the bits, or people managed to find them AND
they were cheap (£200 ish).
However, Dell have stopped selling these.

It's non-trivial and involves downloading torrents from dodgy
websites.


Exactly.

And you can get a secondhand mac for that easily.

Here's a link but there are loads of others
http://www.mydellmini.com/forum/mac-os-x/

Fredxx wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Sun, 7 Jun 2009 10:56:35 +0100, "Peter"
wrote:

My daughter shortly going to UCA for photography (lucky girl) where macs
are
recommended.

She has a reasonable spec pc (XP)

Can she emulate the mac os within windows or would the advice be to shell
out for a mac laptop

Assuming the mac laptop, can the two systems network and talk to each
other
easily.

Many thanks

Peter

Since no-one else has mentioned it...

It s possible to install the MacOS on a standard PC.
However, you have to make sure that the hardware is supported by
MacOS.
For example there is loads of info on the web for turning a Dell Mini
9 laptop (9 inch screen) into a Mac. These were ideal because MacOS
had drivers for most of the bits, or people managed to find them AND
they were cheap (£200 ish).
However, Dell have stopped selling these.

It's non-trivial and involves downloading torrents from dodgy
websites.

Here's a link but there are loads of others
http://www.mydellmini.com/forum/mac-os-x/


Does that mean dual boot is possible?

Can you look at files with both OS's?


Dont go there.

Really.

If uyou want to run a reliable MAC OSX, get a mac.

You can add linux and windows to an Intel mac, but its almost impossible
the other way around.

And there are horrid issues with sharing files.

The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Fredxx wrote:
wrote in message
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On Sun, 7 Jun 2009 10:56:35 +0100, "Peter"
wrote:

My daughter shortly going to UCA for photography (lucky girl) where
macs are
recommended.

She has a reasonable spec pc (XP)

Can she emulate the mac os within windows or would the advice be to
shell
out for a mac laptop

Assuming the mac laptop, can the two systems network and talk to
each other
easily.

Many thanks

Peter

Since no-one else has mentioned it...

It s possible to install the MacOS on a standard PC.
However, you have to make sure that the hardware is supported by
MacOS.
For example there is loads of info on the web for turning a Dell Mini
9 laptop (9 inch screen) into a Mac. These were ideal because MacOS
had drivers for most of the bits, or people managed to find them AND
they were cheap (£200 ish).
However, Dell have stopped selling these.

It's non-trivial and involves downloading torrents from dodgy
websites.

Here's a link but there are loads of others
http://www.mydellmini.com/forum/mac-os-x/


Does that mean dual boot is possible?

Can you look at files with both OS's?


Dont go there.

Really.

If uyou want to run a reliable MAC OSX, get a mac.

You can add linux and windows to an Intel mac, but its almost impossible
the other way around.

And there are horrid issues with sharing files.



And VMWare Fusion works extremely well for running Windows within OSX.
But make sure you up the memory. (Partner went to the full 4GB with an
upgrade from Crucial - not even very expensive.)

--
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Although common it frequently goes undiagnosed.
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In article ,
Rod wrote:

And VMWare Fusion works extremely well for running Windows within OSX.
But make sure you up the memory. (Partner went to the full 4GB with an
upgrade from Crucial - not even very expensive.)


Yep, VMWare Fusion is great - I'm running it as I type with a couple of
solaris VMs and an XP one.

Running MacOS on non apple hardware isn't possible in a reliable *legal*
way AFAIK.

Running windows on a Mac (an Intel based one anyway) works well - but
vmware is a good compromise if you really have to run windows. Need a windows
license to be legit though...

Parallels is supposed to be ok as well - I ran a trial version, found some
issues and reported them. They then released an updated version that
alledgedly fixed the problem so I tried to get another trial key to check.

They told me I'd used up by 30 days trial (I'd used a day of it before
reporting the problem). I told them I wanted to retest and if it was now
fixed I'd buy. They told me I'd have to buy it to test it.

I bought VMware fusion instead and told parallels to stick it. Never looked
back (in fact I'm now a fusion beta tester).

I suspect most people on here won't care, but there are some issues trying
to move VMs between Fusion and ESX (until v4 ESX AIUI).

Darren

dmc wrote:
In article ,
Rod wrote:

And VMWare Fusion works extremely well for running Windows within OSX.
But make sure you up the memory. (Partner went to the full 4GB with an
upgrade from Crucial - not even very expensive.)


Yep, VMWare Fusion is great - I'm running it as I type with a couple of
solaris VMs and an XP one.

Running MacOS on non apple hardware isn't possible in a reliable *legal*
way AFAIK.

Running windows on a Mac (an Intel based one anyway) works well - but
vmware is a good compromise if you really have to run windows. Need a windows
license to be legit though...

Parallels is supposed to be ok as well - I ran a trial version, found some
issues and reported them. They then released an updated version that
alledgedly fixed the problem so I tried to get another trial key to check.

They told me I'd used up by 30 days trial (I'd used a day of it before
reporting the problem). I told them I wanted to retest and if it was now
fixed I'd buy. They told me I'd have to buy it to test it.

I bought VMware fusion instead and told parallels to stick it. Never looked
back (in fact I'm now a fusion beta tester).


you BOUGHT it?


I suspect most people on here won't care, but there are some issues trying
to move VMs between Fusion and ESX (until v4 ESX AIUI).

Darren

On Mon, 08 Jun 2009 03:53:52 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

wrote:
Since no-one else has mentioned it...

It s possible to install the MacOS on a standard PC.

Possible, but never easy.

You need some hacks. A PC wont boot a mac install disk at all.

And this is NOT what you want to do for someone who just wants a mac to USE.

And you can get a secondhand mac for that easily.

Here's a link but there are loads of others
http://www.mydellmini.com/forum/mac-os-x/


Some people, who claim to be Mac-lovers, have gone the Dell Mini 9
route to the extent where they've sold their original Macs!
The main reason appears to be that Apple don't sell a Mac that's the
size of a netbook (or anything like as cheap)..

Some have bought a retail copy of MacOS to do the install. While this
breaks the EULA they reckon it's morally okay.

Apparently, when it's done right they work like a real Mac.
It's just unfortunate that Dell have stopped selling the Mini 9.
At the moment I've not heard of any other machines that work as well.
Most other netbooks need hardware mods etc..

I forgot to say that I used VMWare to emulate a Mac and I wouldn't
recommend it. It works but it's nothing like as pleasant as using the
real thing.

In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
dmc wrote:

I bought VMware fusion instead and told parallels to stick it. Never looked
back (in fact I'm now a fusion beta tester).

you BOUGHT it?

Errr..... yes?

Why?

Darren

In article ,
wrote:

I forgot to say that I used VMWare to emulate a Mac and I wouldn't
recommend it. It works but it's nothing like as pleasant as using the
real thing.


VMWare to emulate a Mac? Interested to know how that works...

Darren

On 7 June, 20:26, (dmc) wrote:

I suspect a macbook would be fine - the only thing she might want a macbook
pro for would be video work as it has firewire.

My basic macbook has firewire

In article ,
pcb1962 wrote:
On 7 June, 20:26, (dmc) wrote:

I suspect a macbook would be fine - the only thing she might want a macbook
pro for would be video work as it has firewire.

My basic macbook has firewire

It's not a new one then

They dropped it a while back (with the Alu models IIRC). Annoying as I have
a load of firewire drives. USB drives seem to use a lot more CPU :-(

Darren

In article , (dmc) wrote:

In article
,
pcb1962 wrote:
On 7 June, 20:26, (dmc) wrote:

I suspect a macbook would be fine - the only thing she might want a
macbook
pro for would be video work as it has firewire.

My basic macbook has firewire

It's not a new one then

They dropped it a while back (with the Alu models IIRC). Annoying as I have
a load of firewire drives. USB drives seem to use a lot more CPU :-(

Darren

Apple has just updated its notebooks - there's now an entry level 13
inch aluminium Macbook Pro (renamed from plain Macbook) with Firewire
800 and the recently bumped up white plastic Macbook has FW 400.

E.

On 8 June, 15:02, (dmc) wrote:
In article ,

pcb1962 wrote:
On 7 June, 20:26, (dmc) wrote:

I suspect a macbook would be fine - the only thing she might want a macbook
pro for would be video work as it has firewire.

My basic macbook has firewire

It's not a new one then

Quite new, it's this one: http://store.apple.com/uk/browse/hom...family/macbook

In article ,
pcb1962 wrote:

My basic macbook has firewire

It's not a new one then

Quite new, it's this one: http://store.apple.com/uk/browse/home/shop_mac/fa=
mily/macbook





Ah, the older white one. I got the alu one that has just (as of last night)
been dropped :-)

Seems they have gone back to firewire on all their machines again \o/

Shame I've got the only model that didn't. Still, last nights upgrades
are nice.... must resist

Darren