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AutoM8it (automate it) is a windows application with built in
webserver that allows you to control your home from anywhere in the world over the internet. You can turn lights and appliances on and off, close the curtains, have incoming telephone numbers spoken to you, monitor temeratures in different rooms and lots lots more. For more information please check out www.autom8it.com We can help with advice on your self build and DIY installs of Home Automation gear. |
Jim Brett wrote:
We can help with advice on your self build and DIY installs of Home Automation gear. Cool! Can I use your product to send spam from my home PC from anywhere in the world? Can I also use it to report spammers to their ISPs? Like to for instance? -- Grunff |
"Jim Brett" wrote in message om... AutoM8it (automate it) is a windows application with built in webserver that allows you to control your home from anywhere in the world over the internet. You can turn lights and appliances on and off, close the curtains, have incoming telephone numbers spoken to you, monitor temeratures in different rooms and lots lots more. For more information please check out www.autom8it.com We can help with advice on your self build and DIY installs of Home Automation gear. Sounds like a hackers dream! |
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Martin wrote: Sounds like a hackers dream! I can just imagine a house controlled by windose. The mind boggles. -- *Re-elect nobody Dave Plowman London SW 12 RIP Acorn |
Sounds like a hackers dream!
I can just imagine a house controlled by windose. The mind boggles. You can imagine it on a hot summers day - having to close all the open windows, rebooting it, then reopening the windows again... -- Please add "[newsgroup]" in the subject of any personal replies via email * old email address "btiruseless" abandoned due to worm-generated spam * --- My new email address has "ngspamtrap" & @btinternet.com in it ;-) --- |
"Dave Plowman" wrote in message ... In article , Martin wrote: Sounds like a hackers dream! I can just imagine a house controlled by windose. The mind boggles. -- *Re-elect nobody Dave Plowman London SW 12 RIP Acorn Ouch !! That would have to hurt. :-)) --- www.basecuritysystems.no-ip.com Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.525 / Virus Database: 322 - Release Date: 09/10/03 |
Firstly: The email obviously offended a number of people and i would
like to take this opportunity to apologise to you all with the exception of DAVE. This message was posted with the best of intentions and marked clearly as an advert. Whilst I appreciate the general dis-like for spamming, this was a one of message constructed especially for this group and was a not crosss posted and was directed towards the groups interests. I sincerley hoped it may of been of use to some people, and yes its utlitamte intentions were to increase sales. So I accept the fact it was deemed as spam. You will no doubt be very happy to hear i will not post to this group again. As i respect the groups thoughts and opinions (again not including DAVE) DAVE: i do feel your response was both uncalled for and childish. If you had a greivance with me or the company, you could have posted a professional and courtous reply to my message and i would have respected yours and more importantly the groups wishes. And there was certianly no need to send me a private email spoofed as myself hurling insults and swearing. A simple email addressed directly to me, requesting the spam be stopped was all it would have taken to which i would have concurred. |
Jim Brett wrote:
A simple email addressed directly to me, requesting the spam be stopped was all it would have taken to which i would have concurred. I see - that's how it works? You spam people, and expect a polite email asking you to stop it? You say your message was specifically aimed at the group - if that's the case, then one might have expected you to have done a little research, found the groups FAQs, and read the bit (in big red writing) about commercial posts. -- Grunff |
Firstly let me apologise to the group (excluding DAVE) for the
possible offense cause. This was in fact a one of message addressed directly at the group with the sincere hope that it would be of genuine interest. Please be assured that no more "spam" mails will be sent from either myself or the company as we repect the groups wishes (again exclusing DAVE) DAVE: Obviously you are very aggreived with my simple email. To the extent you have wasted your own valuable time doing a basic reverse lookup of my details (not difficult as i wasnt trying to hide my details as per a spamming agent) and sending me private obusive emails (attempting to spoof them from my own account). Quite frankly im amazed at how much trouble you have gone to, to try and offend me, insult me, and publicise my personal details. All it would have taken, was a simple professional email address to me direct or on the group saying that the email was considered unsolicted spam, and request i not post similar message again in the future. To which i would have happily concurred. |
In uk.d-i-y, Jim Brett wrote:
All it would have taken, was a simple professional email address to me direct or on the group saying that the email was considered unsolicted spam, and request i not post similar message again in the future. To which i would have happily concurred. All it would have taken on your part, Jim, would have been to sample the group (speed-reading a few threads), and in particular to have put in the effort to find the group's FAQ, to work out whether direct commercial postings are welcome/tolerated/dropped-on-from-a-height. You'd have found that this particular group's social norms are strongly against direct advertising: the strength of reaction even to clearly-flagged ads like yours has (as the FAQ says) managed to keep the signal-to-noise ratio in this group unusually high. You might then have chosen either to forget using this group to advertise in (we're obviously a bunch of lentil-eating anti-capitalist ******* who don't understand that buying and selling is what makes the world go round), or to lurk quietly for a bit, chiming in when home automation questions came up[1], adding a one-line sig with your company URL, and letting the usefulness of your contributions be all the company advertising you need here. (Like Max Bone, Hepworths, cetltd, and a good few others do. Even - and I can't quite believe I'm writing this - the once-notorious Robert L Bass appears to have learnt to do in comp.home.automation, where Google tells me you posted a similar ADVERT a week ago). Yes, it's a non-trivial bit of effort on your part. Still, you're the one who's hoping to drum up some business, and you're hoping to target your potential market much more accurately than putting stickers on the lampposts round about where you live and work. Moreover, whatever the level of your previous experience and competence, for now *you're* the newcomer in this group, so normal social mores ("when in Rome"...) suggest you should listen-and-adapt rather than assume a particular style of behaviour. Having apparently not bothered to do this preparation, you've been jumped on with varying degrees of politeness. You're still welcome to adopt the constructive-engagement strategy outlined above, though it might be a practical idea to leave it for a few weeks till both you and the participants here have allowed the first wisps of the mists of time to shroud the little flare-up we just had... HTH, Stefek [1] If, after a few week's lurking, no HA questions appear[ed], that would suggest this particular group would not be worth posting an ad in, anyway, let alone constructively engaging... |
Jim Brett wrote:
Firstly let me apologise to the group (excluding DAVE) for the possible offense cause. This was in fact a one of message addressed directly at the group with the sincere hope that it would be of genuine interest. No offence taken by me - advertising is not prohibited in the charter of uk.d-i-y, in fact there isn't one for this group. Commercial adverts are, though, deprecated in the FAQ, however this is just that - a FAQ, concocted by unelected and unaccountable people (this, it might be said, is because most people don't want to be bothered maintaining a FAQ!). There is a way to "acceptably" commercially advertise on uk.d-i-y, which acceptance I personally find rather two-faced. Please be assured that no more "spam" mails will be sent from either myself or the company as we repect the groups wishes (again exclusing DAVE) Fine, fine - perhaps you could advise on some d-i-y matters yourself, and commercially advertise yourself at the same time, as some others do? DAVE: Obviously you are very aggreived with my simple email. To the extent [...] of sending me private obusive emails (attempting to spoof them from my own account). Quite frankly im amazed at how much trouble you have gone to, to try and offend me, insult me, and publicise my personal details. If this dong *has* sent anything such as you suggest, you are quite within your rights to complain to *his* ISP or employer, and I would, if I were you. However, oil on troubled waters is probably better than feeding the furnace. Hopefully you will receive an apology. -- be ! Shop all amazing products and get our special offers! |
In message , Jim Brett
writes DAVE: i do feel your response was both uncalled for and childish. If you had a greivance with me or the company, you could have posted a professional and courtous reply to my message and i would have respected yours and more importantly the groups wishes. And there was certianly no need to send me a private email spoofed as myself hurling insults and swearing. A simple email addressed directly to me, requesting the spam be stopped was all it would have taken to which i would have concurred. So many Daves but I'll raise my trembling hands up to doing this. I posted the spammer (indeed putting the From and Reply-To as himself and making no attempt to hide my identity) an email as follows: Dear **** Spamming Company, Please do not send advertising messages to usenet groups unless specifically requested. Best Regards, I find it difficult to match that with 'hurling insults and swearing" but still, in the world of spammers (of whom is but an example, perhaps I should have emailed and as well) any hints of reality are likely to be confused. -- dave @ stejonda |
In message , Jim Brett
writes DAVE: Obviously you are very aggreived with my simple email. Usenet email To the extent you have wasted your own valuable time doing a basic reverse lookup of my details ah, not me but someone more eminent ;-) Quite frankly im amazed at how much trouble you have gone to, to try and offend me, insult me, and publicise my personal details. the only language spammers such as those at understand All it would have taken, was a simple professional email address to me direct or on the group saying that the email was considered unsolicted spam, and request i not post similar message again in the future. you shouldn't have done so in the first place To which i would have happily concurred. that's what all spammers say -- dave @ stejonda |
On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:16:37 +0100, Grunff wrote:
Jim Brett wrote: A simple email addressed directly to me, requesting the spam be stopped was all it would have taken to which i would have concurred. I see - that's how it works? You spam people, and expect a polite email asking you to stop it? You say your message was specifically aimed at the group - if that's the case, then one might have expected you to have done a little research, found the groups FAQs, and read the bit (in big red writing) about commercial posts. I thought part of the raison d'etre of spammers was specifically to collect valid email addresses to sell onto other spammers..... cheers witchy/binarydinosaurs |
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Jim Brett wrote: DAVE: i do feel your response was both uncalled for and childish. If you had a greivance with me or the company, you could have posted a professional and courtous reply to my message and i would have respected yours and more importantly the groups wishes. I'm sorry; I didn't know you owned windose. -- *If horrific means to make horrible, does terrific mean to make terrible? Dave Plowman London SW 12 RIP Acorn |
"Witchy" wrote in message ... On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:16:37 +0100, Grunff wrote: Jim Brett wrote: A simple email addressed directly to me, requesting the spam be stopped was all it would have taken to which i would have concurred. I see - that's how it works? You spam people, and expect a polite email asking you to stop it? You say your message was specifically aimed at the group - if that's the case, then one might have expected you to have done a little research, found the groups FAQs, and read the bit (in big red writing) about commercial posts. I thought part of the raison d'etre of spammers was specifically to collect valid email addresses to sell onto other spammers..... cheers witchy/binarydinosaurs How d'you like your SPAM. You can 'ave Spam with chips. You can 'ave your spam with spam, or you can 'ave it wiff even more chips. :-)) SPAM is normally defined as unsolicited advertising e-mail which is created to gain the sender profits from selling wares or services for personal gain. The law now states that such e-mail must only be sent to persons who have asked for such mailings to be sent to there personal e-mail service for their perusal. That's why most software is packaged with the option to "Opt In" to the makers offer of sending you information of other products which might be of interest to. |
"dave @ stejonda" wrote in message ... In message , Jim Brett writes DAVE: i do feel your response was both uncalled for and childish. If you had a greivance with me or the company, you could have posted a professional and courtous reply to my message and i would have respected yours and more importantly the groups wishes. And there was certianly no need to send me a private email spoofed as myself hurling insults and swearing. A simple email addressed directly to me, requesting the spam be stopped was all it would have taken to which i would have concurred. So many Daves but I'll raise my trembling hands up to doing this. I posted the spammer (indeed putting the From and Reply-To as himself and making no attempt to hide my identity) an email as follows: Dear **** Spamming Company, Please do not send advertising messages to usenet groups unless specifically requested. Best Regards, I find it difficult to match that with 'hurling insults and swearing" but still, in the world of spammers (of whom is but an example, perhaps I should have emailed and as well) any hints of reality are likely to be confused. -- dave @ stejonda Oh David. That's naughty and not as harsh as it should have been. |
All im actually saying is theres no need for swearing and insults and
the childish behavour. If everyone in the world took this attitude we would get nowhere. I have admitted it was a mistake to post and have apologised. I would like to see any true "spammer" do the same? |
"Jim Brett" wrote in message om... All im actually saying is theres no need for swearing and insults and the childish behavour. If everyone in the world took this attitude we would get nowhere. I have admitted it was a mistake to post and have apologised. I would like to see any true "spammer" do the same? If your market research had gone to plan, you do have a marketing plan don't you, you would have noticed that the group is for people helping other people with a job they would like to tackle themselves. Hence the title having DIY in it. Now, if you have some expertise which you can share with others, then you are welcome to contribute to the groups activities, but not to tell them you'll come round and do the job for them at a price. The point of the group is to pass on tips and hints on what to and not to do while tackling a specific personal project. |
wrote in message ... In uk.d-i-y, Jim Brett wrote: All it would have taken, was a simple professional email address to me direct or on the group saying that the email was considered unsolicted spam, and request i not post similar message again in the future. To which i would have happily concurred. All it would have taken on your part, Jim, would have been to sample the group (speed-reading a few threads), and in particular to have put in the effort to find the group's FAQ, to work out whether direct commercial postings are welcome/tolerated/dropped-on-from-a-height. You'd have found that this particular group's social norms are strongly against direct advertising: the strength of reaction even to clearly-flagged ads like yours has (as the FAQ says) managed to keep the signal-to-noise ratio in this group unusually high. You might then have chosen either to forget using this group to advertise in (we're obviously a bunch of lentil-eating anti-capitalist ******* who don't understand that buying and selling is what makes the world go round), or to lurk quietly for a bit, chiming in when home automation questions came up[1], adding a one-line sig with your company URL, and letting the usefulness of your contributions be all the company advertising you need here. (Like Max Bone, Hepworths, cetltd, and a good few others do. Even - and I can't quite believe I'm writing this - the once-notorious Robert L Bass appears to have learnt to do in comp.home.automation, where Google tells me you posted a similar ADVERT a week ago). Yes, it's a non-trivial bit of effort on your part. Still, you're the one who's hoping to drum up some business, and you're hoping to target your potential market much more accurately than putting stickers on the lampposts round about where you live and work. Moreover, whatever the level of your previous experience and competence, for now *you're* the newcomer in this group, so normal social mores ("when in Rome"...) suggest you should listen-and-adapt rather than assume a particular style of behaviour. Having apparently not bothered to do this preparation, you've been jumped on with varying degrees of politeness. You're still welcome to adopt the constructive-engagement strategy outlined above, though it might be a practical idea to leave it for a few weeks till both you and the participants here have allowed the first wisps of the mists of time to shroud the little flare-up we just had... HTH, Stefek [1] If, after a few week's lurking, no HA questions appear[ed], that would suggest this particular group would not be worth posting an ad in, anyway, let alone constructively engaging... Unless you have expertise in other fields of DIY which you can share with others in the group. (Sorry Stefek, just thought I'd add that little bit on the end and save typing it all out again and ruining such a perfect literary composition) :-)) |
"jerrybuilt" ] wrote in message .. . Jim Brett wrote: Firstly let me apologise to the group (excluding DAVE) for the possible offense cause. This was in fact a one of message addressed directly at the group with the sincere hope that it would be of genuine interest. No offence taken by me - advertising is not prohibited in the charter of uk.d-i-y, in fact there isn't one for this group. Commercial adverts are, though, deprecated in the FAQ, however this is just that - a FAQ, concocted by unelected and unaccountable people (this, it might be said, is because most people don't want to be bothered maintaining a FAQ!). There is a way to "acceptably" commercially advertise on uk.d-i-y, which acceptance I personally find rather two-faced. Please be assured that no more "spam" mails will be sent from either myself or the company as we repect the groups wishes (again exclusing DAVE) Fine, fine - perhaps you could advise on some d-i-y matters yourself, and commercially advertise yourself at the same time, as some others do? DAVE: Obviously you are very aggreived with my simple email. To the extent [...] of sending me private obusive emails (attempting to spoof them from my own account). Quite frankly im amazed at how much trouble you have gone to, to try and offend me, insult me, and publicise my personal details. If this dong *has* sent anything such as you suggest, you are quite within your rights to complain to *his* ISP or employer, and I would, if I were you. However, oil on troubled waters is probably better than feeding the furnace. Hopefully you will receive an apology. -- be ! Shop all amazing products and get our special offers! Excuse me, but the signature at the bottom of many posters replies, is there whether they post to the group or to anywhere else for that matter. It is not a blatant use of free advertising, it is just stuck at the bottom of all the postings we send out to the world. |
In message , BigWallop
writes Oh David. That's naughty and not as harsh as it should have been. Sorry, I'm not very good at this DIY lark! (but I'm trying (as many people will confirm)) -- dave @ stejonda |
On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:38:56 GMT, "BigWallop"
wrote: I thought part of the raison d'etre of spammers was specifically to collect valid email addresses to sell onto other spammers..... cheers witchy/binarydinosaurs How d'you like your SPAM. You can 'ave Spam with chips. You can 'ave your spam with spam, or you can 'ave it wiff even more chips. :-)) *resists monty python urge* SPAM is normally defined as unsolicited advertising e-mail which is created to gain the sender profits from selling wares or services for personal gain. The law now states that such e-mail must only be sent to persons who have asked for such mailings to be sent to there personal e-mail service for their perusal. That's why most software is packaged with the option to "Opt In" to the makers offer of sending you information of other products which might be of interest to. I know, but that's like a raindrop in the ocean compared to the other ways people harvest email addresses, the worst offenders being the sites who insist you register to use their service using a valid email address and e-card 'services', and sites that have a 'hey I found this page interesting option so I want to send it to' feature. "we promise we won't use your email address for anything other than a login but we also promise to change our privacy policy overnight" And you wouldn't believe how many machines I've worked on for people that have GATOR installed....grrrr....'oh this option box popped up asking if I wanted to install something so I said yes' sassenfrassenrassenrickrastardly :) -- cheers, witchy/binarydinosaurs |
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On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:52:04 GMT, "jerrybuilt"
] wrote: If this dong *has* sent anything such as you suggest, you are quite within your rights to complain to *his* ISP or employer, and I would **** off, you ****stirring ******. -- Dave |
Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:52:04 GMT, "jerrybuilt" ] wrote: If this dong *has* sent anything such as you suggest, you are quite within your rights to complain to *his* ISP or employer, and I would **** off, you ****stirring ******. Lol - is he still around? Made it into my killfile a looong time ago. -- Grunff |
In message , Jim Brett
writes All im actually saying is theres no need for swearing and insults and the childish behavour. If everyone in the world took this attitude we would get nowhere. I have admitted it was a mistake to post and have apologised. I would like to see any true "spammer" do the same? No, we get a useful newsgroup with out commercial advertising -- geoff |
"Witchy" wrote in message ... On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:38:56 GMT, "BigWallop" wrote: I thought part of the raison d'etre of spammers was specifically to collect valid email addresses to sell onto other spammers..... cheers witchy/binarydinosaurs How d'you like your SPAM. You can 'ave Spam with chips. You can 'ave your spam with spam, or you can 'ave it wiff even more chips. :-)) *resists monty python urge* SPAM is normally defined as unsolicited advertising e-mail which is created to gain the sender profits from selling wares or services for personal gain. The law now states that such e-mail must only be sent to persons who have asked for such mailings to be sent to there personal e-mail service for their perusal. That's why most software is packaged with the option to "Opt In" to the makers offer of sending you information of other products which might be of interest to. I know, but that's like a raindrop in the ocean compared to the other ways people harvest email addresses, the worst offenders being the sites who insist you register to use their service using a valid email address and e-card 'services', and sites that have a 'hey I found this page interesting option so I want to send it to' feature. "we promise we won't use your email address for anything other than a login but we also promise to change our privacy policy overnight" And you wouldn't believe how many machines I've worked on for people that have GATOR installed....grrrr....'oh this option box popped up asking if I wanted to install something so I said yes' sassenfrassenrassenrickrastardly :) -- cheers, witchy/binarydinosaurs Aaaahhhh !!! Just read the word GATOR and it still sends a shudder up my spine. I was once asked to register for one of the site you mean, but the photo's they sent to my e-mail address were nothing spectacular. I've seen better. Or am I thinking of the wrong type of web site ? :-)) |
"dave @ stejonda" wrote in message ... In message , BigWallop writes Oh David. That's naughty and not as harsh as it should have been. Sorry, I'm not very good at this DIY lark! (but I'm trying (as many people will confirm)) -- dave @ stejonda LOL !!! I've been told I'm trying, very trying. |
On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 23:31:34 GMT, "BigWallop"
wrote: And you wouldn't believe how many machines I've worked on for people that have GATOR installed....grrrr....'oh this option box popped up asking if I wanted to install something so I said yes' sassenfrassenrassenrickrastardly :) -- cheers, witchy/binarydinosaurs Aaaahhhh !!! Just read the word GATOR and it still sends a shudder up my spine. I was once asked to register for one of the site you mean, but the photo's they sent to my e-mail address were nothing spectacular. I've seen better. Or am I thinking of the wrong type of web site ? :-)) I can't imagine gator sex being much to look at! -- cheers, witchy/binarydinosaurs |
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Witchy wrote: I can't imagine gator sex being much to look at! Dunno. I'd guess a love bite would be something else. -- *Am I ambivalent? Well, yes and no. Dave Plowman London SW 12 RIP Acorn |
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On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:35:10 +0100, Witchy
wrote: I can't imagine gator sex being much to look at! I expect you'd have to give it a "whirl" to find the attraction! Most gators seem to like it just fine ;O) Take Care, Gnube {too thick for linux} |
On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 16:32:45 +0100, Dave Plowman
wrote: Dunno. I'd guess a love bite would be something else. LOL! ;O) Take Care, Gnube {too thick for linux} |
In message , Gnube
writes On 16 Oct 2003 02:55:00 -0700, (Jim Brett) wrote: Firstly: The email obviously offended a number of people and i would like to take this opportunity to apologise to you all with the exception of DAVE. THIS group works well mostly because we support each other unconditionally; so coming in here all "divide and conquer" is probably a bad ploy. You take us as a whole or not at all I say. And so would a few others in my guesstimate, but you'd best ask them to be certain, as I am not about to make any presumptions on another's behalf. Frankly, I'd consider yourself lucky that more or all didn't decide to do something about it. To make a superficial apology and then nullify it by trying to justify and excuse wasn't an entirely convincing second move either. PLONKGLOBALLY Yeah, I've killfiled him I totally agree with you, we might have our little flames from time to time, but we all pull together -- geoff |
In message , Gnube
writes Sorry, that was too deep for me -- geoff |
On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 01:04:06 +0100, geoff wrote:
Yeah, I've killfiled him I totally agree with you, we might have our little flames from time to time, but we all pull together Thanks, & BTW, as long as you're here, d'you want to buy an upright piano kit Mister? Easy to assemble guv, honest! ;O) Take Care, Gnube {too thick for linux} |
On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 00:38:39 +0100, Gnube
wrote: On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:35:10 +0100, Witchy wrote: I can't imagine gator sex being much to look at! I expect you'd have to give it a "whirl" to find the attraction! Most gators seem to like it just fine ;O) I'm feeling generous today so I'll let you have a go first! -- cheers, witchy/binarydinosaurs |
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