http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/l...re/7962528.stm

JoeJoe wrote:
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6 of them by the look of it:

four people were subsequently dealt with for the initial theft of
lighting equipment from the site.

2 people done for kidnapping. Obviously they should have reported that
they had caught a suspected criminal and contacted the police

Fortunately we do not have rule by lynch mob.

"Invisible Man" wrote in message
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JoeJoe wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/l...re/7962528.stm
6 of them by the look of it:

four people were subsequently dealt with for the initial theft of lighting
equipment from the site.

2 people done for kidnapping. Obviously they should have reported that
they had caught a suspected criminal and contacted the police

Fortunately we do not have rule by lynch mob.

And the kidnappers pleaded guilty. So there was not much chance of a not
guilty verdict.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/lawandorder/5044558/Businessman-spared-jail-for-kidnapping-thief.html

Adam

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JoeJoe wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/l...re/7962528.stm
6 of them by the look of it:

four people were subsequently dealt with for the initial theft of
lighting equipment from the site.

2 people done for kidnapping. Obviously they should have reported that
they had caught a suspected criminal and contacted the police

Fortunately we do not have rule by lynch mob.

And the kidnappers pleaded guilty. So there was not much chance of a not
guilty verdict.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/lawandorder/5044558/Businessman-spared-jail-for-kidnapping-thief.html


When does 'citizens arrest' become kidnapping?

mark

mark wrote:
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JoeJoe wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/l...re/7962528.stm
6 of them by the look of it:

four people were subsequently dealt with for the initial theft of
lighting equipment from the site.

2 people done for kidnapping. Obviously they should have reported
that they had caught a suspected criminal and contacted the police

Fortunately we do not have rule by lynch mob.

And the kidnappers pleaded guilty. So there was not much chance of a
not guilty verdict.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/lawandorder/5044558/Businessman-spared-jail-for-kidnapping-thief.html


When does 'citizens arrest' become kidnapping?


This was an absolute godsend for the police.

They didn't have to find the theives; that was done for them and also
getting another successful statistic in kidnapping. Bloody typical. They
should have thanked the two involved and a minor ticking off if they must.

What does it do for Joe Public/ Police relationships?

On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 18:43:26 -0000, "mark"
wrote:


"ARWadsworth" wrote in message
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JoeJoe wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/l...re/7962528.stm
6 of them by the look of it:

four people were subsequently dealt with for the initial theft of
lighting equipment from the site.

2 people done for kidnapping. Obviously they should have reported that
they had caught a suspected criminal and contacted the police

Fortunately we do not have rule by lynch mob.

And the kidnappers pleaded guilty. So there was not much chance of a not
guilty verdict.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/lawandorder/5044558/Businessman-spared-jail-for-kidnapping-thief.html


When does 'citizens arrest' become kidnapping?

When they pleaded guilty.
It's quite possible they could have claimed a citizens arrest but
since their brief didn't advise them to take that option I don't think
all the facts have come out. The news report is missing details

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When does 'citizens arrest' become kidnapping?

When they kidnap them and take them elsewhere.

On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 20:04:56 -0000, dennis@home wrote:

When does 'citizens arrest' become kidnapping?

When they kidnap them and take them elsewhere.

Well ish, you can make a citizens arrest and take them to a police station
or magistrate to face charges.

Mind you the whole thing around "citizens arrest" is right tangled mess:

http://www.kevinboone.com/citizens_arrest.html

As these two put one chap in a van took him to his mates then had a fight
no wonder they got done for kidnap. If they just used reasonable force
(what ever that is) to hold him, called the police and waited they
probably wouldn't have attracted the kidnap charge. They might have got
unlawful arrest instead...

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Dave.

On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 15:16:11 +0000, Invisible Man wrote:

JoeJoe wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/l...re/7962528.stm


6 of them by the look of it:

four people were subsequently dealt with for the initial theft of
lighting equipment from the site.

2 people done for kidnapping. Obviously they should have reported that
they had caught a suspected criminal and contacted the police

Fortunately we do not have rule by lynch mob.

Something does not add up.
If they had reported to the police that the crime was in progress and/or
that they had made a citizens' arrest the police would/should have
responded promptly.

The fact that they got a real sentence and not just the suspended one
suggests that there were more facts (not reported) that were taken into
account in this case, by the judge/magistrates.

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On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 15:16:11 +0000, Invisible Man wrote:

JoeJoe wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/l...re/7962528.stm


6 of them by the look of it:

four people were subsequently dealt with for the initial theft of
lighting equipment from the site.

2 people done for kidnapping. Obviously they should have reported that
they had caught a suspected criminal and contacted the police

Fortunately we do not have rule by lynch mob.

Something does not add up.
If they had reported to the police that the crime was in progress and/or
that they had made a citizens' arrest the police would/should have
responded promptly.

The fact that they got a real sentence and not just the suspended one
suggests that there were more facts (not reported) that were taken into
account in this case, by the judge/magistrates.

Plod said "it had been established that the intruders had left the scene 20
minutes before the call". Also, "took one offender in a van to the home of
another suspect" isn't just a citizen's arrest, where you hold them and wait
for the police.

Which supports Ed's supposition.

Ed Sirett wrote:

Something does not add up.
If they had reported to the police that the crime was in progress
and/or that they had made a citizens' arrest the police would/should
have responded promptly.

The fact that they got a real sentence and not just the suspended one
suggests that there were more facts (not reported) that were taken
into account in this case, by the judge/magistrates.

Very common with newspapers. My daughter was involved in a carbon monoxide
related incident last week. Local press headline was "Were couple
poisoned?" with no mention of carbon monoxide whatsoever. The levels were
so high the ambulance crews were taken in to have their blood levels
checked.

They got the ages of the couple completely wrong and described tubing one
patient & using a machine to take over his breathing as "he was given first
aid". No mention of him being taken to a local hosptal with a hyperbaric
chamber at all.

Would have been a much better story for the paper if they had reported the
actual facts.


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Invisible Man
saying something like:

2 people done for kidnapping. Obviously they should have reported that
they had caught a suspected criminal and contacted the police

That useless bunch of *******?

"Grimly Curmudgeon" wrote in message
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We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Invisible Man
saying something like:

2 people done for kidnapping. Obviously they should have reported that
they had caught a suspected criminal and contacted the police



That useless bunch of *******?

I think you missed a word out.

You should have said "That useless bunch of bent *******?"

Adam