Last night I decided that the energy saver bulb in one room wasn't
bright enought so I replaced it with a new Philips 20 Watt Energy
Saver "Stick" type bulb .The box says it should last 12 years but it
lasted about 12 minutes if that .If you shake it there is a slight
rattling from inside ... I don't remember where I got it and what it
cost but do these things have a reputation of giving up the ghost
early .
Dunno what Philips line is on this re replacement( Has anyone tried)
but it hardly seems worth asking them but are you allowed to chuck
them in the bin?

On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 10:39:19 +0000 someone who may be the
wrote this:-

Last night I decided that the energy saver bulb in one room wasn't
bright enought so I replaced it with a new Philips 20 Watt Energy
Saver "Stick" type bulb .The box says it should last 12 years but it
lasted about 12 minutes if that .If you shake it there is a slight
rattling from inside ... I don't remember where I got it and what it
cost but do these things have a reputation of giving up the ghost
early .

No. They usually last for many years.

Dunno what Philips line is on this re replacement( Has anyone tried)
but it hardly seems worth asking them but are you allowed to chuck
them in the bin?

In small quantities there is no great problem doing this, there are
larger fish to fry. In an ideal world the council would have
provided collection facilities, but if they haven't then it is not
something to fret about.


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http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

David Hansen wrote:
On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 10:39:19 +0000 someone who may be the
wrote this:-

Last night I decided that the energy saver bulb in one room wasn't
bright enought so I replaced it with a new Philips 20 Watt Energy
Saver "Stick" type bulb .The box says it should last 12 years but it
lasted about 12 minutes if that .If you shake it there is a slight
rattling from inside ... I don't remember where I got it and what it
cost but do these things have a reputation of giving up the ghost
early .

No. They usually last for many years.

Dunno what Philips line is on this re replacement( Has anyone tried)
but it hardly seems worth asking them but are you allowed to chuck
them in the bin?

In small quantities there is no great problem doing this, there are
larger fish to fry. In an ideal world the council would have
provided collection facilities, but if they haven't then it is not
something to fret about.

My local tip has the faciliy to accespt them, so check if yours does -
Obviousy only take it there if you are passing, or have accumilated a load
of them!

On Mon, 16 Mar 2009, David Hansen wrote:

On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 10:39:19 +0000 someone who may be the
wrote this:-

Dunno what Philips line is on this re replacement( Has anyone
tried) but it hardly seems worth asking them but are you allowed to
chuck them in the bin?

In small quantities there is no great problem doing this, there are
larger fish to fry.

Dunno about this. I think that mercury is a bad thing and these lamps
are very widely pushed/used just now.

In an ideal world the council would have provided collection
facilities, but if they haven't then it is not something to fret
about.

@realfictitious: If you are so inclined, check your local IKEA; the
Edinburgh branch collects them.

Kostas (currently investigating Osram Halolux R50 28W; not quite the
wattage saving, but dimmable and the light may be better)

On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 13:37:44 +0000 someone who may be Kostas
Kavoussanakis wrote this:-

In small quantities there is no great problem doing this, there are
larger fish to fry.

Dunno about this. I think that mercury is a bad thing

I know that mercury is a bad thing and I have known that for
decades. However, the amount of mercury in a single compact
fluorescent tube, or indeed a non-compact fluorescent tube, is low
enough not to cause great anxiety. Ideally they would all be
collected, but there are more important things to deal with. Not
using compact fluorescent lamps is supposed to produce more mercury
emissions, via power station chimneys, but few worry about that
because the Daily Wail/Express has not told them to worry about it.

Understanding and quantifying risk is important if the right
decisions are to be made. Otherwise one rushes round spending too
much time on the low risks. Across the water from Edinburgh is a
radioactive beach. It is not something to panic about, the dangers
it poses are known. It has taken too long to sort out, if sorting it
out is possible, though the current situation is not a result of
having done nothing. People should not panic about it and neither
should they sweep it under the carpet.
http://www.dunfermlinepress.com/articles/1/34505 is a newspaper
take and
http://www.sepa.org.uk/radioactive_substances/rs_publications/dalgety_bay_reports.aspx
are some of the reports and the like on the beach.



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I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
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On Mon, 16 Mar 2009, David Hansen wrote:

On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 13:37:44 +0000 someone who may be Kostas
Kavoussanakis wrote this:-

In small quantities there is no great problem doing this, there are
larger fish to fry.

Dunno about this. I think that mercury is a bad thing

I know that mercury is a bad thing and I have known that for
decades. However, the amount of mercury in a single compact
fluorescent tube, or indeed a non-compact fluorescent tube, is low
enough not to cause great anxiety.

Yeap, which is why my initial quote included "and these lamps are very
widely pushed/used just now."

My resolution about these (and batteries) is to collect them until my
next visit to the tip. I do the same with small electrical appliances
and metal that won't be uplifted (like 5ltr olive-oil tins).

Thanks for the analysis and the Dalgety Bay article!

Kostas

the wrote:
Last night I decided that the energy saver bulb in one room wasn't
bright enought so I replaced it with a new Philips 20 Watt Energy
Saver "Stick" type bulb.

These bulbs are the subsidised 5 for 50 pence deal in Lidl/Morrisons.

And http://search.ebay.co.uk/120381516932 which with the abolition of
ebay listing fees, is a type of listing that will run and run - once the
'arthur daily' types empty those subsidised stocks, and charge; gulp £4.49!!

We have a upright cup shape light fitting that isn't really suited to
these bulbs (also standing upright) for there is little ventillation for
the electronics in the base. I'm looking at a little stack of spent 11W
energy saver bulbs - five off - that have all failed just over a year.

At 5 pence a bulb ... ye pays for what ye get :-)

--
Adrian C

In article , Adrian C
writes

At 5 pence a bulb ... ye pays for what ye get :-)

Tesco were doing a variety of GE ES and SES bulbs for 10 pee each,
including miniature sticks (7W) and spirals, when I went in last week.
Those usually cost more than the BC ones.

As it happened, I'd just put up a light fitting brought in from Europe
which needed two ES bulbs and had been looking at 7W sticks in
Wilkinson's for 2.79 each, so 10p in Tesco was perfect.

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(='.'=) Bunny says Windows 7 is Vi$ta reloaded.
(")_(") http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/windows_7.png

the wrote:
Last night I decided that the energy saver bulb in one room wasn't
bright enought so I replaced it with a new Philips 20 Watt Energy
Saver "Stick" type bulb .The box says it should last 12 years but it
lasted about 12 minutes if that .If you shake it there is a slight
rattling from inside ... I don't remember where I got it and what it
cost but do these things have a reputation of giving up the ghost
early .
Dunno what Philips line is on this re replacement( Has anyone tried)
but it hardly seems worth asking them but are you allowed to chuck
them in the bin?

.... one of the 3 reasons I dont buy philips. Get something decent,
like osram, or even tesco spirals.


NT

On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 05:45:57 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

the wrote:
Last night I decided that the energy saver bulb in one room wasn't
bright enought so I replaced it with a new Philips 20 Watt Energy
Saver "Stick" type bulb .The box says it should last 12 years but it
lasted about 12 minutes if that .If you shake it there is a slight
rattling from inside ... I don't remember where I got it and what it
cost but do these things have a reputation of giving up the ghost
early .
Dunno what Philips line is on this re replacement( Has anyone tried)
but it hardly seems worth asking them but are you allowed to chuck
them in the bin?

... one of the 3 reasons I dont buy philips. Get something decent,
like osram, or even tesco spirals.


NT

What three reasons ?
Anyway I think iirc that I got it free as one of a batch from my
energy supplier .

On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 17:25:17 +0000, Kostas Kavoussanakis
wrote:

On Mon, 16 Mar 2009, David Hansen wrote:

On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 13:37:44 +0000 someone who may be Kostas
Kavoussanakis wrote this:-

In small quantities there is no great problem doing this, there are
larger fish to fry.

Dunno about this. I think that mercury is a bad thing

I know that mercury is a bad thing and I have known that for
decades. However, the amount of mercury in a single compact
fluorescent tube, or indeed a non-compact fluorescent tube, is low
enough not to cause great anxiety.

Yeap, which is why my initial quote included "and these lamps are very
widely pushed/used just now."

My resolution about these (and batteries) is to collect them until my
next visit to the tip. I do the same with small electrical appliances
and metal that won't be uplifted (like 5ltr olive-oil tins).

I do this. However I end up with much too much of my house taken over
by "stuff awaiting recycling".

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(")_(") their inaction to the problem. I am blocking most articles
posted from there. If you wish your postings to be seen by
everyone you will need use a different method of posting.

the wrote:
On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 05:45:57 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

the wrote:
Last night I decided that the energy saver bulb in one room wasn't
bright enought so I replaced it with a new Philips 20 Watt Energy
Saver "Stick" type bulb .The box says it should last 12 years but it
lasted about 12 minutes if that .If you shake it there is a slight
rattling from inside ... I don't remember where I got it and what it
cost but do these things have a reputation of giving up the ghost
early .
Dunno what Philips line is on this re replacement( Has anyone tried)
but it hardly seems worth asking them but are you allowed to chuck
them in the bin?

... one of the 3 reasons I dont buy philips. Get something decent,
like osram, or even tesco spirals.


NT

What three reasons ?
Anyway I think iirc that I got it free as one of a batch from my
energy supplier .

early failure rate
many premature failures
so-so light quality

They might have improved recently for all I know, but I've found
brands that have none of these issues, so stick to them.


NT