We have a flat in North London with metal framed windows. The block was
built in the 1960s sometime and the windows are beginning (?!) to show
their age.

We would like to refurbish (or maybe replace) the windows while
retaining their character, modern UPVC framed windows would look
horrible (some adjacent flats have them and they *do* look horrible).

Can anyone recommend a supplier/builder/specialist or whatever who
could either actually do the work or alternatively supply hardware so
that we could do it ourselves?

It's a duplex flat with french doors onto a balcony downstairs plus a
separate floor to ceiling window downstairs and two bedrooms upstairs
with large windows. The existing opening windows are the swivel type.

The existing frames are not badly corroded but have got distorted in a
couple of places so they don't close perfectly.

--
Chris Green

wrote:

We have a flat in North London with metal framed windows. The block was
built in the 1960s sometime and the windows are beginning (?!) to show
their age.

We would like to refurbish (or maybe replace) the windows while
retaining their character, modern UPVC framed windows would look
horrible (some adjacent flats have them and they *do* look horrible).

Can anyone recommend a supplier/builder/specialist or whatever who
could either actually do the work or alternatively supply hardware so
that we could do it ourselves?

It's a duplex flat with french doors onto a balcony downstairs plus a
separate floor to ceiling window downstairs and two bedrooms upstairs
with large windows. The existing opening windows are the swivel type.

The existing frames are not badly corroded but have got distorted in a
couple of places so they don't close perfectly.


Your windows are almost certainly from Crittall Windows. The company
still operates and has a thriving business in supplying replacements.

There is plenty of information online (Google "Crittall Windows") and
the company has a very informative web site:

http://www.crittall-windows.co.uk/

wrote:
We have a flat in North London with metal framed windows. The block was
built in the 1960s sometime and the windows are beginning (?!) to show
their age.

We would like to refurbish (or maybe replace) the windows while
retaining their character, modern UPVC framed windows would look
horrible (some adjacent flats have them and they *do* look horrible).

Can anyone recommend a supplier/builder/specialist or whatever who
could either actually do the work or alternatively supply hardware so
that we could do it ourselves?

It's a duplex flat with french doors onto a balcony downstairs plus a
separate floor to ceiling window downstairs and two bedrooms upstairs
with large windows. The existing opening windows are the swivel type.

The existing frames are not badly corroded but have got distorted in a
couple of places so they don't close perfectly.


This week's Grand Designs featured restoration of metal windows. Link to
details:

http://www.channel4.com/4homes/on-tv/grand-designs/episode-guides/newport-folly-suppliers-09-02-10_p_1.html

Probably completely inappropriate - have a watch of the program.

--
Rod

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Rod wrote:
wrote:
We have a flat in North London with metal framed windows. The block
was built in the 1960s sometime and the windows are beginning (?!)
to show their age.

We would like to refurbish (or maybe replace) the windows while
retaining their character, modern UPVC framed windows would look
horrible (some adjacent flats have them and they *do* look horrible).

Can anyone recommend a supplier/builder/specialist or whatever who
could either actually do the work or alternatively supply hardware so
that we could do it ourselves?

It's a duplex flat with french doors onto a balcony downstairs plus a
separate floor to ceiling window downstairs and two bedrooms upstairs
with large windows. The existing opening windows are the swivel
type. The existing frames are not badly corroded but have got distorted
in
a couple of places so they don't close perfectly.


This week's Grand Designs featured restoration of metal windows. Link
to details:

http://www.channel4.com/4homes/on-tv/grand-designs/episode-guides/newport-folly-suppliers-09-02-10_p_1.html

Probably completely inappropriate - have a watch of the program.

I watched that and was encouraged by their desire to refurbish the windows
to original but could not discern whether the had managed to install d/g
units in them. Unlkely, I guess.

Clot wrote:


I watched that and was encouraged by their desire to refurbish the windows
to original but could not discern whether the had managed to install d/g
units in them. Unlkely, I guess.


Pretty sure they didn't - there was a moment where I think we saw a
single piece of glass being handled (i.e. just glass - no DG).

At the end we saw the shutters they had installed - in some places a
very appropriate way of helping improve thermal qualities of an SG
window. But bloomin' useless during the day when you want daylight let in.

--
Rod

Hypothyroidism is a seriously debilitating condition with an insidious
onset.
Although common it frequently goes undiagnosed.
www.thyromind.info www.thyroiduk.org www.altsupportthyroid.org

wrote:

We have a flat in North London with metal framed windows. The block was
built in the 1960s sometime and the windows are beginning (?!) to show
their age.

We would like to refurbish (or maybe replace) the windows while
retaining their character, modern UPVC framed windows would look
horrible (some adjacent flats have them and they *do* look horrible).

Can anyone recommend a supplier/builder/specialist or whatever who
could either actually do the work or alternatively supply hardware so
that we could do it ourselves?

It's a duplex flat with french doors onto a balcony downstairs plus a
separate floor to ceiling window downstairs and two bedrooms upstairs
with large windows. The existing opening windows are the swivel type.

The existing frames are not badly corroded but have got distorted in a
couple of places so they don't close perfectly.


Steel windows can be repaired like car bodywork, using car body filler
for repairs, and car spray paints, which last far longer than
household gloss.

Thermally they're a nightmare, and secondary glazing is very much the
way to go if you retain them.


NT

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We have a flat in North London with metal framed windows. The block was
built in the 1960s sometime and the windows are beginning (?!) to show
their age.

We would like to refurbish (or maybe replace) the windows while
retaining their character, modern UPVC framed windows would look
horrible (some adjacent flats have them and they *do* look horrible).

Can anyone recommend a supplier/builder/specialist or whatever who
could either actually do the work or alternatively supply hardware so
that we could do it ourselves?

It's a duplex flat with french doors onto a balcony downstairs plus a
separate floor to ceiling window downstairs and two bedrooms upstairs
with large windows. The existing opening windows are the swivel type.

The existing frames are not badly corroded but have got distorted in a
couple of places so they don't close perfectly.

Recently replaced a Crittall window with a UPVC one.

Mine was held in by screws through the frame into nuts behind, there is a
small steel angle embedded in the mortar. Sometimes the nuts rotate so the
screw won't release. If so, drill out the screw head or cut through the
frame using an ange grinder.

If you open the window (Assuming it's a side opener) and look down the edge
of the frame you'll probably find the heads of the screws. Measure where
they are from the top or bottom and you'll find that the opposite side of
the frame will have them in the same positions sometimes buried under the
putty. Check the top/bottom edges also.

Removal of a small section of grout/render around the frame will reveal the
exact size unless it's obvious.

Measure this and contact a local UPVC company who make them up. Suggest that
you want to replae the Crittal ones of "X" size and design and get a quote.

After screw removal the frame can be gently levered out of the brickwork
leaving a nice neat hole. Watch out for the bricks above being loose or a
lintel.If anything moves, support it, remove window as best as poss, and
make good the problem.

A 1.6 x 1.2m fully glazed unit, halfway split vertically, 2 openers was £127
plus VAT.

Took me 3 hours to install. A day to "Make good" outside and in with
expanding foam, silicon sealer and some cladding (Sourced from the window
maker).

Immense increase in warmth and noise reduction was very acceptable.

Strangely there's a roundabout near me thats called "Crittals Corner". Where
the old factory used to be and is now a B & Q.

"R" wrote:

Strangely there's a roundabout near me thats called "Crittals Corner". Where
the old factory used to be and is now a B & Q.


A bit like "Staples Corner" on the North Circular Road at the southern
end of the M1. It was named after a furniture factory that was located
there - Staples made the "Ladderax" shelving system that was popular in
the 1960s.

The company has long gone, but on the site now there is a prominently
located branch of Staples, the office equipment suppliers, so it is
still correct to call it "Staples Corner".