On Sat, 31 Jan 2009 17:42:00 GMT, "Phil L" wrote:


You appear to think that the council is paying foir this work to be done -
they aren't - it's almost certainly the warmfront scheme, which covers the
100% grants for insulation too, and has done from the beginning, about 12
years ago, although when it first started it offered only draughtproofing,
then loft insulation, and now CWI and replacement boilers.

The money that funds this lot was creamed off the energy suppliers as a
'windfall tax', who creamed it off us in the first place, so you see, he has
already effectively paid for this boiler, through all the gas and leccy
bills he has paid over the decades.

Fair enough, but then we should *all* be *entitled* to a free boiler and it
should not be means tested. It shouldn't only be spent on those choosing
different priorities. The more freebies there are, the more people will look to
avoid their responsibilities.

In message , Andy Cap
writes
Rant on

My neighbour, a guy just over 65, lives in his private house, along
with his son
who works, his son's partner and their two young lads.

.... ...

Why should other people's tax be used to subsidise such work ? I just don't
understand why this is thought to be OK. Meanwhile the infra-structure, roads,
pavements, verges, signage, looks like something from a undeveloped third world
country.

What's the point of working and paying taxes for these communal facilities, if
it's spent on individuals, who can't sort their priorities out ?

Come Inside

I was outside a lunatic asylum one day, busy picking up stones
When along came a lunatic and said to me, "Good morning Mr. Jones,
Oh, how much a week do you get for doing that", "Thirty bob I cried"
"What, thirty bob a week, with a wife and kids to keep?
Come inside you silly bugger come inside"

"Come inside you silly bugger come inside, you ought to have a bit more
sense.
Working for your living, take my tip, act a little screwy and become a
lunatic.
Oh you get your meals most regular and a brand new suit besides.
What's thirty bob a week with a wife and kids to keep.
Come inside you silly bugger come inside."



--
geoff

In message , Arthur2
writes

"Appelation Controlee" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 31 Jan 2009 10:19:12 -0000, Arthur2 wrote:

-------------------8
---- Sorry. I thought my previous attempt at posting this had
been censored.

How?


Perhaps a moderator was havig a bad day and disliked my gratuitous use of
the word ****.

****, **** ****ity **** **** ...

bugger bums tits n' arse

Moderator, where ?


--
geoff

In message , Owain
writes
geoff wrote:
bugger bums tits n' arse

I didn't know it was possible to bugger tits, unless you mean the
ornithological kind, but I bow to your greater knowledge :-)

Have a couple of feral commas ... ", , ,"

( the middle one to separate the first and last, of course)


--
geoff

On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 00:36:54 +0000, Owain
wrote:

I agree, but -

1. Elderly people are amongst those most at risk from inadequate heating.
2. Elderly people are amongst those most likely to live in houses with
older/inadequate/no heating systems.
3. Elderly people are amongst those *least* likely to claim anything,
especially if it's means-tested
4. There aren't actually that many people going to benefit under the
free heating for pensioners scheme, and most of them will be on fairly
low incomes anyway - because if they weren't, they'd have
installed/replaced their heating systems by now - so means-testing would
be somewhat superfluous and an administrative cost
5. Hospital care for elderly people is expensive; better heating means
they can stay in their homes more
6. Elderly people are going to die soon, so the improved houses will be
released into the general housing stock fairly quickly

It's a bit like the argument that it would be cheaper to give every
homeless person a flat than it is to pay for the costs of homelessness.

Maybe we should have some more schemes, like free replacements for every
open-flued back boiler, on safety and energy efficiency grounds.

Owain

You've made several excellent points in respect of the elderly and perhaps the
scheme has it's merits. I must admit I found 6. a bit depressing ! :-) In
cases of real hardship, few would object to social assistance, but the suspicion
is, that it's often a question of having set the wrong priorities. Policing that
of course, would be extremely expensive and therefore those inclined towards
milking the system, will probably continue to get away with it. Which going
slightly deeper, is why you need to instill moral values and not rely on
policing each and every human activity, because that's both impractical and
unaffordable.

Andy C

On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 00:27:54 +0000, Owain wrote:

geoff wrote:
bugger bums tits n' arse

I didn't know it was possible to bugger tits, unless you mean the
ornithological kind, but I bow to your greater knowledge :-)

You never heard of the soapy tit w+nk?

"Appelation Controlee" wrote in message
. ..
On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 00:27:54 +0000, Owain wrote:

geoff wrote:
bugger bums tits n' arse

I didn't know it was possible to bugger tits, unless you mean the
ornithological kind, but I bow to your greater knowledge :-)

You never heard of the soapy tit w+nk?

Not buggering though is it?

Adam

On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 09:22:30 GMT, ARWadsworth wrote:

"Appelation Controlee" wrote in message
. ..
On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 00:27:54 +0000, Owain wrote:

geoff wrote:
bugger bums tits n' arse

I didn't know it was possible to bugger tits, unless you mean the
ornithological kind, but I bow to your greater knowledge :-)

You never heard of the soapy tit w+nk?

Not buggering though is it?

True, although it's probably a better experience.

"Bob Eager" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 31 Jan 2009 13:30:29 UTC, "Arthur2"
wrote:


"Appelation Controlee" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 31 Jan 2009 10:19:12 -0000, Arthur2 wrote:

-------------------8
---- Sorry. I thought my previous attempt at posting this had
been censored.

How?


Perhaps a moderator was havig a bad day and disliked my gratuitous use of
the word ****.

And where is this mythical moderator, little boy?


Bob rhymes with nob.

Arthur

On Sun, 1 Feb 2009 14:11:49 -0000, Arthur2 wrote:

"Bob Eager" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 31 Jan 2009 13:30:29 UTC, "Arthur2"
-------------------8
Perhaps a moderator was havig a bad day and disliked my gratuitous use of
the word ****.

And where is this mythical moderator, little boy?


Bob rhymes with nob.

Hey, go easy on the mental exertion - it's Sunday.

"Appelation Controlee" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 1 Feb 2009 14:11:49 -0000, Arthur2 wrote:

"Bob Eager" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 31 Jan 2009 13:30:29 UTC, "Arthur2"
-------------------8
Perhaps a moderator was havig a bad day and disliked my gratuitous use
of
the word ****.

And where is this mythical moderator, little boy?


Bob rhymes with nob.

Hey, go easy on the mental exertion - it's Sunday.


I'm learning to moderate my efforts.

A... I mean, a.

In message , Arthur2
writes

"Appelation Controlee" wrote in message
. ..
On Sun, 1 Feb 2009 14:11:49 -0000, Arthur2 wrote:

"Bob Eager" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 31 Jan 2009 13:30:29 UTC, "Arthur2"
-------------------8
Perhaps a moderator was havig a bad day and disliked my gratuitous use
of
the word ****.

And where is this mythical moderator, little boy?


Bob rhymes with nob.

Hey, go easy on the mental exertion - it's Sunday.


I'm learning to moderate my efforts.

Swear more ...

--
geoff

In message , Appelation
Controlee writes
On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 00:27:54 +0000, Owain wrote:

geoff wrote:
bugger bums tits n' arse

I didn't know it was possible to bugger tits, unless you mean the
ornithological kind, but I bow to your greater knowledge :-)

You never heard of the soapy tit w+nk?


photos, photos

.... and either use robust words properly or not at all


--
geoff

In message ,
ARWadsworth writes

"Appelation Controlee" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 00:27:54 +0000, Owain wrote:

geoff wrote:
bugger bums tits n' arse

I didn't know it was possible to bugger tits, unless you mean the
ornithological kind, but I bow to your greater knowledge :-)

You never heard of the soapy tit w+nk?

Not buggering though is it?

it depends whether you find the festering lesion where the breast
augmentation procedure went wrong

.... or not

--
geoff

In message , Appelation
Controlee writes
On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 09:22:30 GMT, ARWadsworth wrote:

"Appelation Controlee" wrote in message
. ..
On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 00:27:54 +0000, Owain wrote:

geoff wrote:
bugger bums tits n' arse

I didn't know it was possible to bugger tits, unless you mean the
ornithological kind, but I bow to your greater knowledge :-)

You never heard of the soapy tit w+nk?

Not buggering though is it?

True, although it's probably a better experience.

I bow to your ... experience

--
geoff

"geoff" wrote in message
...
In message , Appelation
Controlee writes
On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 00:27:54 +0000, Owain wrote:

geoff wrote:
bugger bums tits n' arse

I didn't know it was possible to bugger tits, unless you mean the
ornithological kind, but I bow to your greater knowledge :-)

You never heard of the soapy tit w+nk?


photos, photos

... and either use robust words properly or not at all


--
geoff

I'll send you some of my ex if it keeps you happy.

Adam

On Sun, 1 Feb 2009 19:13:40 +0000, geoff wrote:

In message , Appelation
Controlee writes
On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 09:22:30 GMT, ARWadsworth wrote:

"Appelation Controlee" wrote in message
. ..
On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 00:27:54 +0000, Owain wrote:

geoff wrote:
bugger bums tits n' arse

I didn't know it was possible to bugger tits, unless you mean the
ornithological kind, but I bow to your greater knowledge :-)

You never heard of the soapy tit w+nk?

Not buggering though is it?

True, although it's probably a better experience.

I bow to your ... experience

The word "probably" is significant, and renders any implied comparison
speculative. YMMV.

In message , Appelation
Controlee writes
On Sun, 1 Feb 2009 19:13:40 +0000, geoff wrote:

In message , Appelation
Controlee writes
On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 09:22:30 GMT, ARWadsworth wrote:

"Appelation Controlee" wrote in message
. ..
On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 00:27:54 +0000, Owain wrote:

geoff wrote:
bugger bums tits n' arse

I didn't know it was possible to bugger tits, unless you mean the
ornithological kind, but I bow to your greater knowledge :-)

You never heard of the soapy tit w+nk?

Not buggering though is it?

True, although it's probably a better experience.

I bow to your ... experience

The word "probably" is significant, and renders any implied comparison
speculative. YMMV.

yeah, yeah ...

--
geoff

On Jan 30, 4:38*pm, Appelation Controlee wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 16:26:29 +0000, Andy Cap wrote:

-------------------8

Why should other people's tax be used to subsidise such work ? I just don't
understand why this is thought to be OK. Meanwhile the infra-structure, roads,
pavements, verges, signage, looks like something from a undeveloped third world
country.

What's the point of working and paying taxes for these communal facilities, if
it's spent on individuals, who can't sort their priorities out ?

Sounds like his priorities are just fine as they are. Your ire should be
directed at the appropriate government minister, for poorly framing
whatever legislation, etc., etc... Not his fault he is part of the eligible
group but, as he is, he would be foolish not to take advantage of it.
Funnily enough there was an item on last night's The One Show about this
scheme, and it's shot through with corruption on the supply side -
allegedly.

Yeah! Tell gorblimey Brown lies. He'll want something to take his mind
off getting new apprentices trained in time for doing public service
work:

Gordon Brown has just been telling us porkies about the need for
skilled construction workers after condemning the walk out by oil
plant workers over the hiring of Italian workers.

Nobody advertised down our way, so where did he suddenly come up with
the need and what has new apprenticeship initiatives got to do with
the price of oil today?

Bloody lies! Who needs people like that in power? Barefaced stinking
liar!

On Sun, 1 Feb 2009 14:08:56 -0800 (PST), Weatherlawyer wrote:

-------------------8
Yeah! Tell gorblimey Brown lies. He'll want something to take his mind
off getting new apprentices trained in time for doing public service
work:

Gordon Brown has just been telling us porkies about the need for
skilled construction workers after condemning the walk out by oil
plant workers over the hiring of Italian workers.

Nobody advertised down our way, so where did he suddenly come up with
the need and what has new apprenticeship initiatives got to do with
the price of oil today?

Bloody lies! Who needs people like that in power? Barefaced stinking
liar!

A shallow argument - you never even mentioned the price of beer. :^)

On Sat, 31 Jan 2009 02:31:47 -0000, "OG"
wrote:

It (or a variant) worked in Sheffield when Blunkett was in charge; any fare
on a bus was 5p, and lots of people found they could get by without a car,
which suited a city made of narrow streets of terraced houses.

Another plus besides the fares was South Yorkshire always had
relatively new vehicles that were pleasant to travel on rather than
the usual stink of stale **** and sweaty bodies permeating the air
(and due to nasal problems that's my experience with an almost
permanently blocked nose!)

The fares weren't always 5p, but the most used short routes were, as a
comparison in the late 1970's York charged around seven times the
South Yorkshire rate for a two mile journey. The fares really should
have been free though as collecting and processing fares apparently
cost more than the money they received.

Of course the 80's Tory government decided that the answer was 'deregulation
of the bus services' so that council subsidies were (largely) banned &
operators brought in, who found they could cut services and increase fares;
resulting in families realising that they now needed 2 cars so Mum & Dad
could get to work; so now paying 2x depreciation, insurance, tax and fuel
and no bloody space to park on the street outside.

Absolutely, if it were not for free bus travel for the over 60's I
know my parents couldn't afford to travel into town - a two way
journey for the pair of them, traveling not much more than a mile and
a half is nearly £6! OK they could possibly walk one way in good
weather (not that I'd let them with the local crime figures) but
carting a weekly shop back that sort of distance is not much fun when
you are in your late 70's


--

On 30 Jan, 16:56, Appelation Controlee wrote:
///


Yeah, I know. :-)
I don't need a bus pass, but I'm 63 so I'm eligible, and I've therefore got
one. On the half-dozen-or-so times I use it each year, I really enjoy the
journeys. The bus services in this area are pretty good - reasonable
frequency, and decent, clean vehicles.-


That is just plain anti-social. You are helping to clog roads with
long dirty slow busses which keep stopping and which obstruct us good
folks who depend on cars.

What's more by leaving your car at home you are taking pressure off
the demand for decent free car parking.

ARWadsworth wrote:


Not sure if the link works but Lee was in my class at school. Enough said.
quote
Channel4.com currently only supports Windows PCs using Internet Explorer
6 or 7. This is due to restrictions with the rights and technical
protection measures required.

However, if you are using Firefox 2+ (on a Windows PC) you can get a
plugin from here which should allow you to watch the programmes on
Channel4.com.
/quote

translation:
You are a Linux user, bugger off.

--
djc @work

On Mon, 2 Feb 2009 17:48:12 UTC, djc wrote:

ARWadsworth wrote:


Not sure if the link works but Lee was in my class at school. Enough said.
quote
Channel4.com currently only supports Windows PCs using Internet Explorer
6 or 7. This is due to restrictions with the rights and technical
protection measures required.

However, if you are using Firefox 2+ (on a Windows PC) you can get a
plugin from here which should allow you to watch the programmes on
Channel4.com.
/quote

translation:
You are a Linux user, bugger off.

Not that I'd touch Linux, but I must try it on FreeBSD...Windows Firefix
works fine under wine.

--
The information contained in this post is copyright the
poster, and specifically may not be published in, or used by
http://www.diybanter.com

On Mon, 2 Feb 2009 09:31:02 -0800 (PST), jim wrote:

On 30 Jan, 16:56, Appelation Controlee wrote:
///


Yeah, I know. :-)
I don't need a bus pass, but I'm 63 so I'm eligible, and I've therefore got
one. On the half-dozen-or-so times I use it each year, I really enjoy the
journeys. The bus services in this area are pretty good - reasonable
frequency, and decent, clean vehicles.-


That is just plain anti-social. You are helping to clog roads with
long dirty slow busses which keep stopping and which obstruct us good
folks who depend on cars.

What's more by leaving your car at home you are taking pressure off
the demand for decent free car parking.

Like so many things, it's a compromise - too often, when there isn't a best
option, we have to choose the least worst.

Weatherlawyer wrote:
On Jan 30, 4:38 pm, Appelation Controlee wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 16:26:29 +0000, Andy Cap wrote:

-------------------8

Why should other people's tax be used to subsidise such work ? I
just don't understand why this is thought to be OK. Meanwhile the
infra-structure, roads, pavements, verges, signage, looks like
something from a undeveloped third world country.

What's the point of working and paying taxes for these communal
facilities, if it's spent on individuals, who can't sort their
priorities out ?

Sounds like his priorities are just fine as they are. Your ire
should be directed at the appropriate government minister, for
poorly framing whatever legislation, etc., etc... Not his fault he
is part of the eligible group but, as he is, he would be foolish not
to take advantage of it. Funnily enough there was an item on last
night's The One Show about this scheme, and it's shot through with
corruption on the supply side - allegedly.

Yeah! Tell gorblimey Brown lies. He'll want something to take his mind
off getting new apprentices trained in time for doing public service
work:

Gordon Brown has just been telling us porkies about the need for
skilled construction workers after condemning the walk out by oil
plant workers over the hiring of Italian workers.

Nobody advertised down our way, so where did he suddenly come up with
the need and what has new apprenticeship initiatives got to do with
the price of oil today?

Bloody lies! Who needs people like that in power? Barefaced stinking
liar!

I understand he was sacked from his first job - a tea boy in Pizza Hut.

Apparently he couldn't organise a brew up in a pizzeria.


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

Bob Eager wrote:
On Mon, 2 Feb 2009 17:48:12 UTC, djc wrote:

translation:
You are a Linux user, bugger off.

Not that I'd touch Linux, but I must try it on FreeBSD...Windows Firefix
works fine under wine.

It's not the browser that matters for these things, it's Windows Media
Player, which has the Digital Restrictions Management capabilities that
the programme owners demand. Might work via Wine too, of course, but
being much more integrated with Windows it's less likely to than Firefox.

I actually bought a copy of Parallels for my Mac specifically to watch
Channel Four stuff, forgetting that I'd still need a copy of Windows to
install into it. Since I haven't had a Windows for very nearly ten
years, I lost interest at that point.

Pete