My drill is knackered. I find myself drawn to 2 current Screwfix offers:

Makita 8391 £79.86 http://tinyurl.com/9ymcj9

or

Hitachi DV18 £97.86 http://tinyurl.com/9hn7pn

Can anybody offer any technical wisdom to differentiate them?


David

"Vortex3" wrote in message
...
My drill is knackered. I find myself drawn to 2 current Screwfix offers:

Makita 8391 £79.86 http://tinyurl.com/9ymcj9

or

Hitachi DV18 £97.86 http://tinyurl.com/9hn7pn

Can anybody offer any technical wisdom to differentiate them?


David

None. If drilling and driving then an Impact Driver.

Vortex3 wrote:
My drill is knackered. I find myself drawn to 2 current Screwfix offers:

Makita 8391 �86 http://tinyurl.com/9ymcj9

or

Hitachi DV18 �86 http://tinyurl.com/9hn7pn

Can anybody offer any technical wisdom to differentiate them?


David

Technical wisdom? No.

But the Makita is just under 80, the Hitachi almost 98 - when I view
them. So a clear win to Makita on price grounds.

Unfortunately, Screwfix see fit to provide virtually no details on the
Hitachi to allow sensible comparison.

If it means anything to you, the Hitachi appears to come with a torch.

Otherwise I'd go Makita simply because they are so well established in
the UK; Hitachi tools appear to come and go.

--
Rod

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"Rod" wrote in message
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Vortex3 wrote:
My drill is knackered. I find myself drawn to 2 current Screwfix
offers:

Makita 8391 ?86 http://tinyurl.com/9ymcj9

or

Hitachi DV18 ?86 http://tinyurl.com/9hn7pn

Can anybody offer any technical wisdom to differentiate them?


David

Technical wisdom? No.

But the Makita is just under 80, the Hitachi almost 98 - when I view them.
So a clear win to Makita on price grounds.

Unfortunately, Screwfix see fit to provide virtually no details on the
Hitachi to allow sensible comparison.

If it means anything to you, the Hitachi appears to come with a torch.

Otherwise I'd go Makita simply because they are so well established in the
UK; Hitachi tools appear to come and go.


Given that Makita were founded 1915 and have an extremely strong foothold in
the world markets and Hitachi beat them to it in 1910 the longevity of their
products is relatively equal. Small tools in volume were produced in Asia by
Makita first.

Being trained professionally in repairs to both products hand power tools I
found the Makita equipment superior in build quality.
Parts were *usually* cheaper and accuracy of shell casings and assemblies
more consistent.

Prices vary. Shop around.
Personally I would choose Makita over Hitachi....Just *don't* go the Black
and Decker route.

RW wrote:
"Rod" wrote in message
...
Vortex3 wrote:
My drill is knackered. I find myself drawn to 2 current Screwfix
offers:

Makita 8391 ?86 http://tinyurl.com/9ymcj9

or

Hitachi DV18 ?86 http://tinyurl.com/9hn7pn

Can anybody offer any technical wisdom to differentiate them?


David
Technical wisdom? No.

But the Makita is just under 80, the Hitachi almost 98 - when I view them.
So a clear win to Makita on price grounds.

Unfortunately, Screwfix see fit to provide virtually no details on the
Hitachi to allow sensible comparison.

If it means anything to you, the Hitachi appears to come with a torch.

Otherwise I'd go Makita simply because they are so well established in the
UK; Hitachi tools appear to come and go.


Given that Makita were founded 1915 and have an extremely strong foothold in
the world markets and Hitachi beat them to it in 1910 the longevity of their
products is relatively equal. Small tools in volume were produced in Asia by
Makita first.

Being trained professionally in repairs to both products hand power tools I
found the Makita equipment superior in build quality.
Parts were *usually* cheaper and accuracy of shell casings and assemblies
more consistent.

Prices vary. Shop around.
Personally I would choose Makita over Hitachi....Just *don't* go the Black
and Decker route.


I am perfectly happy to believe what you say in terms of history and
quality. But, for example, the *only* Hitachi product at Axminster is
"Hitachi NR90GC - 50mm Galv. Nails (4,800)". Whereas there are 132 by
Makita. Or a search produces 273 hits for Hitachi 18V drill - and 1,717
for Makita 18V drill.

I have always wondered if they simply never got a good distributor in
the UK?

(And I 100% agree about B&D.)

--
Rod

Hypothyroidism is a seriously debilitating condition with an insidious
onset.
Although common it frequently goes undiagnosed.
www.thyromind.info www.thyroiduk.org www.altsupportthyroid.org

Rod wrote:

I am perfectly happy to believe what you say in terms of history and
quality. But, for example, the *only* Hitachi product at Axminster is
"Hitachi NR90GC - 50mm Galv. Nails (4,800)". Whereas there are 132 by
Makita. Or a search produces 273 hits for Hitachi 18V drill - and 1,717
for Makita 18V drill.

I have always wondered if they simply never got a good distributor in
the UK?

That certainly seems to be a part of it. The few Hitachi products I have
used have generally been very good. Their SDS drills seem nice, the big
circular saws are lovely (solid cast base plates etc). I have a 230mm
Hitachi grinder that has spent its life cutting masonry and has been
faultless.

(And I 100% agree about B&D.)

yup...

--
Cheers,

John.

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I have always wondered if they simply never got a good distributor in the
UK?

That certainly seems to be a part of it. The few Hitachi products I have
used have generally been very good. Their SDS drills seem nice, the big
circular saws are lovely (solid cast base plates etc). I have a 230mm
Hitachi grinder that has spent its life cutting masonry and has been
faultless.

(And I 100% agree about B&D.)


Decision is made.

I have 3 Hitachi power tools and all have exceeded my expectations.

I have 1 Makita SDS drill which has had 1 frustrating fault (broken switch)
after about 2 years. Otherwise perfect.

I think I will go with the Hitachi....an extra 0.1 Ah and a torch I don't
need for an extra 18 quid.

D

Vortex3 wrote:
My drill is knackered. I find myself drawn to 2 current Screwfix
offers:
Makita 8391 £79.86 http://tinyurl.com/9ymcj9

or

Hitachi DV18 £97.86 http://tinyurl.com/9hn7pn

Can anybody offer any technical wisdom to differentiate them?

I'd go for the Makita any day. Speed control & ergonomics are out of this
world, real joy to use. Parts & service easy to get hold of, superb 30 min
chargers. I've got a 12v & a 14.4v in use 5/6 days a week for 2 years, been
abused, dropped, stood on, rained on - no problems.

Hitachi looks like something Dan Dare would kill Treens with.

Hitachi are a good brand, but I reckon the Makita beats it hands down &
leaves you £20 to spend on drills & bits.

You could get one of these
http://www.screwfix.com/prods/68068/...net-Rapidaptor
and still have £8 spare!


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

Vortex3 wrote:
I have always wondered if they simply never got a good distributor in the
UK?
That certainly seems to be a part of it. The few Hitachi products I have
used have generally been very good. Their SDS drills seem nice, the big
circular saws are lovely (solid cast base plates etc). I have a 230mm
Hitachi grinder that has spent its life cutting masonry and has been
faultless.

(And I 100% agree about B&D.)

Decision is made.

I have 3 Hitachi power tools and all have exceeded my expectations.

I have 1 Makita SDS drill which has had 1 frustrating fault (broken switch)
after about 2 years. Otherwise perfect.

I think I will go with the Hitachi....an extra 0.1 Ah and a torch I don't
need for an extra 18 quid.

Just to add to the dilemma - I have loads of Makita kit, and that has
always been first rate as well....

--
Cheers,

John.

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Vortex3 wrote:
My drill is knackered. I find myself drawn to 2 current Screwfix offers:

Makita 8391 £79.86 http://tinyurl.com/9ymcj9

or

Hitachi DV18 £97.86 http://tinyurl.com/9hn7pn

Can anybody offer any technical wisdom to differentiate them?


David

Use the Makita at work - 1st class piece of kit. Comfortable to hold
and powerful

Malcolm

"Vortex3" wrote in message
...
My drill is knackered. I find myself drawn to 2 current Screwfix offers:

Makita 8391 £79.86 http://tinyurl.com/9ymcj9

or

Hitachi DV18 £97.86 http://tinyurl.com/9hn7pn

Can anybody offer any technical wisdom to differentiate them?

I bought the Makita last week and it seems good.

I also had a look at the Hitachi in the store and I didn't think the
finishing off the case, body, etc was quite as good.

Using the paper catalogue the Hitachi has 43Nm of torque which is only 1
more than the Makita. The batteries are 1.4Ah as opposed to 1.3Ah for the
Makita. So there is very little to choose between the two.

Bear in mind that the batteries that come with either of these drills have
just about the lowest capacity you can get.

The torch with the Hitachi is just a regular filament bulb. I can't really
see the point in having it unless you want to fully discharge a battery to
give it a full cycle charge.

My only other comment on the Makita is the same as one of the reviewers on
the Screwfix website and that is the highest torque setting is a bit weedy.
I can see really large screws will need to be driven in using it set to
'drill'. The Hitachi might be the same or might not?

In article ,
Mark Dumbrill wrote:
The torch with the Hitachi is just a regular filament bulb. I can't
really see the point in having it unless you want to fully discharge a
battery to give it a full cycle charge.

You *really* shouldn't do this. The crap about memory effect and fully
discharging batteries to avoid it has ruined far more than it ever saved.
Recharge when the drill performance drops off. Don't discharge further.

--
*If you think nobody cares about you, try missing a couple of payments *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
Doctor Drivel wrote:

"Vortex3" wrote in message
...
My drill is knackered. I find myself drawn to 2 current Screwfix
offers:

Makita 8391 £79.86 http://tinyurl.com/9ymcj9

or

Hitachi DV18 £97.86 http://tinyurl.com/9hn7pn

Can anybody offer any technical wisdom to differentiate them?


David

None. If drilling and driving then an Impact Driver.

More crap from one who's never used one. For normal drilling you need a
normal chuck.

--
*I have plenty of talent and vision. I just don't care.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

John Rumm wrote:
Vortex3 wrote:
I have always wondered if they simply never got a good distributor
in the UK?
That certainly seems to be a part of it. The few Hitachi products I
have used have generally been very good. Their SDS drills seem
nice, the big circular saws are lovely (solid cast base plates
etc). I have a 230mm Hitachi grinder that has spent its life
cutting masonry and has been faultless.

(And I 100% agree about B&D.)

Decision is made.

I have 3 Hitachi power tools and all have exceeded my expectations.

I have 1 Makita SDS drill which has had 1 frustrating fault (broken
switch) after about 2 years. Otherwise perfect.

I think I will go with the Hitachi....an extra 0.1 Ah and a torch I
don't need for an extra 18 quid.

Just to add to the dilemma - I have loads of Makita kit, and that has
always been first rate as well....

Me too.


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

The Medway Handyman wrote:
John Rumm wrote:
Vortex3 wrote:
I have always wondered if they simply never got a good distributor
in the UK?
That certainly seems to be a part of it. The few Hitachi products I
have used have generally been very good. Their SDS drills seem
nice, the big circular saws are lovely (solid cast base plates
etc). I have a 230mm Hitachi grinder that has spent its life
cutting masonry and has been faultless.

(And I 100% agree about B&D.)
Decision is made.

I have 3 Hitachi power tools and all have exceeded my expectations.

I have 1 Makita SDS drill which has had 1 frustrating fault (broken
switch) after about 2 years. Otherwise perfect.

I think I will go with the Hitachi....an extra 0.1 Ah and a torch I
don't need for an extra 18 quid.
Just to add to the dilemma - I have loads of Makita kit, and that has
always been first rate as well....

Me too.


Including collated screw driving kit?

Did you ever get a satisfactory resolution?

--
Rod

Hypothyroidism is a seriously debilitating condition with an insidious
onset.
Although common it frequently goes undiagnosed.
www.thyromind.info www.thyroiduk.org www.altsupportthyroid.org

Mark Dumbrill wrote:
"Vortex3" wrote in message
...
My drill is knackered. I find myself drawn to 2 current Screwfix
offers: Makita 8391 £79.86 http://tinyurl.com/9ymcj9

or

Hitachi DV18 £97.86 http://tinyurl.com/9hn7pn

Can anybody offer any technical wisdom to differentiate them?

I bought the Makita last week and it seems good.

I also had a look at the Hitachi in the store and I didn't think the
finishing off the case, body, etc was quite as good.

Using the paper catalogue the Hitachi has 43Nm of torque which is
only 1 more than the Makita. The batteries are 1.4Ah as opposed to
1.3Ah for the Makita. So there is very little to choose between the
two.
Bear in mind that the batteries that come with either of these drills
have just about the lowest capacity you can get.

The torch with the Hitachi is just a regular filament bulb. I can't
really see the point in having it unless you want to fully discharge
a battery to give it a full cycle charge.

My only other comment on the Makita is the same as one of the
reviewers on the Screwfix website and that is the highest torque
setting is a bit weedy. I can see really large screws will need to be
driven in using it set to 'drill'. The Hitachi might be the same or
might not?

Agreed, I never use the torque settings on either of my Makitas. The 12v is
always on 'drill' and the 14.4v combi is either on 'drill' or 'hammer'. The
speed control & brake are so good you don't really need a torque setting.


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Doctor Drivel wrote:

"Vortex3" wrote in message
...
My drill is knackered. I find myself drawn to 2 current Screwfix
offers:

Makita 8391 £79.86 http://tinyurl.com/9ymcj9

or

Hitachi DV18 £97.86 http://tinyurl.com/9hn7pn

Can anybody offer any technical wisdom to differentiate them?


David

None. If drilling and driving then an Impact Driver.

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Please eff off as you are an idiotic plantpot.