I am trying to fix some components together in a very tight space.

What I need is something not a million miles away from the carcase
connectors used for kitchen units. Like these:

http://www.woodfit.com/product_info.php?products_id=216&Name=Cabinet+Conn ector+-+30+to+39mm+-+Nickel+Plated

**BUT**

o They need to have a total length of no more than 6mm.
o Ideally both screw heads would be countersunk (rather than
round/pan/anything else.
o The sleeve part needs to be no more than 5mm diameter.

I actually have a couple of usable screws (round headed and only
slightly too long - can always file them), but need the sleeve bits.

Went to Isaac Lord today - nothing - and discussed cutting down a
carcase connector but they are not threaded far enough.

I only really need two of them! Four would be as many as I am ever
likely to use.

I know I have seen things like this as components (but can't remember
where). I think the screw can go right through some (which would be fine.)

I also thought about riveting them (blind rivets) - but haven't got a
riveter! And buying one seems excessive.

Any ideas?

(I suppose I *could* glue the parts - but don't really want to preclude
disassembly in future.)

--
Rod

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onset.
Although common it frequently goes undiagnosed.
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Rod wrote:

I am trying to fix some components together in a very tight space.

What I need is something not a million miles away from the carcase
connectors used for kitchen units. Like these:


http://www.woodfit.com/product_info.php?products_id=216&Name=Cabinet+Conn ector+-+30+to+39mm+-+Nickel+Plated

**BUT**

o They need to have a total length of no more than 6mm.
o Ideally both screw heads would be countersunk (rather than
round/pan/anything else.
o The sleeve part needs to be no more than 5mm diameter.

I don't know if they're still available but in the past I have seen similar
things used for clipping sheets of paper together and they were available
in a variety of lengths. If you can find any I think they'd meet all your
requirements apart from being countersunk but the heads were very thin. You
might find something if you try some stationery suppliers.

--
Mike Clarke

Mike Clarke wrote:
Rod wrote:

I am trying to fix some components together in a very tight space.

What I need is something not a million miles away from the carcase
connectors used for kitchen units. Like these:


http://www.woodfit.com/product_info.php?products_id=216&Name=Cabinet+Conn ector+-+30+to+39mm+-+Nickel+Plated
**BUT**

o They need to have a total length of no more than 6mm.
o Ideally both screw heads would be countersunk (rather than
round/pan/anything else.
o The sleeve part needs to be no more than 5mm diameter.

I don't know if they're still available but in the past I have seen similar
things used for clipping sheets of paper together and they were available
in a variety of lengths. If you can find any I think they'd meet all your
requirements apart from being countersunk but the heads were very thin. You
might find something if you try some stationery suppliers.

Funnily enough, when I said I have suitable screws, those came from one
of those thin card storage boxes. The head is just a plain dome - no
slot or cross so they look like rivets. But the nut is too bulky.
However, I think some other stationery things might well be where I have
seen them. Thanks - it certainly is a pointer.

--
Rod

Hypothyroidism is a seriously debilitating condition with an insidious
onset.
Although common it frequently goes undiagnosed.
www.thyromind.info www.thyroiduk.org www.altsupportthyroid.org

Rod wrote:
I am trying to fix some components together in a very tight space.

What I need is something not a million miles away from the carcase
connectors used for kitchen units. Like these:

http://www.woodfit.com/product_info.php?products_id=216&Name=Cabinet+Conn ector+-+30+to+39mm+-+Nickel+Plated


**BUT**

o They need to have a total length of no more than 6mm.
o Ideally both screw heads would be countersunk (rather than
round/pan/anything else.
o The sleeve part needs to be no more than 5mm diameter.

snip


Do both halves have to be tightened/held by a screwdriver, as against a
spanner of any sort? If so, how about sawing a slot across the face of
a nut, say M5 (8mm across its flats) or M4 (6mm a/f)? Either use a thin
(aka half- or lock-) nut, or file a normal one down, or even file one
into a roughly conical form by running it onto a screw held in the jaws
of a power drill and doing a bit of freehand turning on a file or other
abrasive.

If you're still stuck, email me and I'll sort out a couple of
countersunk-head screws and turn and slot a couple of nuts to suit.

How _do_ people survive without a lathe?


--
Kevin Poole
****Use current date to reply (e.g. )****

Kevin Poole wrote:


Rod wrote:
I am trying to fix some components together in a very tight space.

What I need is something not a million miles away from the carcase
connectors used for kitchen units. Like these:

http://www.woodfit.com/product_info.php?products_id=216&Name=Cabinet+Conn ector+-+30+to+39mm+-+Nickel+Plated


**BUT**

o They need to have a total length of no more than 6mm.
o Ideally both screw heads would be countersunk (rather than
round/pan/anything else.
o The sleeve part needs to be no more than 5mm diameter.

snip


Do both halves have to be tightened/held by a screwdriver, as against a
spanner of any sort? If so, how about sawing a slot across the face of
a nut, say M5 (8mm across its flats) or M4 (6mm a/f)? Either use a thin
(aka half- or lock-) nut, or file a normal one down, or even file one
into a roughly conical form by running it onto a screw held in the jaws
of a power drill and doing a bit of freehand turning on a file or other
abrasive.

If you're still stuck, email me and I'll sort out a couple of
countersunk-head screws and turn and slot a couple of nuts to suit.

How _do_ people survive without a lathe?


Thank you so much. Screw head is not important - but the nuts I tried
(even though quite small) were just too bulky.

A lathe is one of those things I have always wanted, but other things
have come up.

I shall be combining all the responses, sifting and thinking. Maybe even
getting the files out (if the shed door isn't frozen closed).

--
Rod

Hypothyroidism is a seriously debilitating condition with an insidious
onset.
Although common it frequently goes undiagnosed.
www.thyromind.info www.thyroiduk.org www.altsupportthyroid.org

Rod wrote:
I am trying to fix some components together in a very tight space.

What I need is something not a million miles away from the carcase
connectors used for kitchen units. Like these:

http://www.woodfit.com/product_info.php?products_id=216&Name=Cabinet+Conn ector+-+30+to+39mm+-+Nickel+Plated

**BUT**

o They need to have a total length of no more than 6mm.
o Ideally both screw heads would be countersunk (rather than
round/pan/anything else.
o The sleeve part needs to be no more than 5mm diameter.

I actually have a couple of usable screws (round headed and only
slightly too long - can always file them), but need the sleeve bits.

Went to Isaac Lord today - nothing - and discussed cutting down a
carcase connector but they are not threaded far enough.

I only really need two of them! Four would be as many as I am ever
likely to use.

I know I have seen things like this as components (but can't remember
where). I think the screw can go right through some (which would be fine.)

I also thought about riveting them (blind rivets) - but haven't got a
riveter! And buying one seems excessive.

Any ideas?

(I suppose I *could* glue the parts - but don't really want to preclude
disassembly in future.)

If you've got a tap & die you can turn almost anything into a threaded
fastener. I also like the stationery sized chicago bolt idea.


NT

wrote:
Rod wrote:
I am trying to fix some components together in a very tight space.

What I need is something not a million miles away from the carcase
connectors used for kitchen units. Like these:

http://www.woodfit.com/product_info.php?products_id=216&Name=Cabinet+Conn ector+-+30+to+39mm+-+Nickel+Plated

**BUT**

o They need to have a total length of no more than 6mm.
o Ideally both screw heads would be countersunk (rather than
round/pan/anything else.
o The sleeve part needs to be no more than 5mm diameter.

I actually have a couple of usable screws (round headed and only
slightly too long - can always file them), but need the sleeve bits.

Went to Isaac Lord today - nothing - and discussed cutting down a
carcase connector but they are not threaded far enough.

I only really need two of them! Four would be as many as I am ever
likely to use.

I know I have seen things like this as components (but can't remember
where). I think the screw can go right through some (which would be fine.)

I also thought about riveting them (blind rivets) - but haven't got a
riveter! And buying one seems excessive.

Any ideas?

(I suppose I *could* glue the parts - but don't really want to preclude
disassembly in future.)

If you've got a tap & die you can turn almost anything into a threaded
fastener. I also like the stationery sized chicago bolt idea.


NT

Brilliant - a name!!!!

(And a search on that name brought up our very own FAQ with another name
- Interscrew. Another place they are used is on shower screens. And they
are (obviously) much shorter than the kitchen unit type. And for boat
windows and portholes. And a stationery term - binding screws.)

Yes - I do have a (cheap and crap) tap & die set - with suitable sizes.
I had become fixated in one direction. Start thinking what I could
change into a nut...

--
Rod

Hypothyroidism is a seriously debilitating condition with an insidious
onset.
Although common it frequently goes undiagnosed.
www.thyromind.info www.thyroiduk.org www.altsupportthyroid.org

In message , Rod
writes
I am trying to fix some components together in a very tight space.

Snip

o They need to have a total length of no more than 6mm.
o Ideally both screw heads would be countersunk (rather than
round/pan/anything else.
o The sleeve part needs to be no more than 5mm diameter.

They are sometimes known as sex bolts and I think they come (Benny Hill
lives) in that sort of size.
When we built our boat 25 years ago, I bought bronze examples in London
to screw the perspex windows over the smaller sized window apertures.
Last year I had to refurbish these windows and found that bronze seemed
no longer to exist, brass seemed only available in the States, but I
could get stainless ones from a local good nut and bolt specialist.

Every supplier seemed to have different names for them. The ones here
have a slightly domed countersunk head and countersunk screws. I got
them from
http://www.leytonfasteners.co.uk/index.shtml

but they don't seem to appear on their website.

Some photos of my old ones are at

http://picasaweb.google.com/billaboa...54068225937058

Hope this helps.
--
Bill

On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 22:43:56 +0000, Rod wrote:

I am trying to fix some components together in a very tight space.

What I need is something not a million miles away from the carcase
connectors used for kitchen units. Like these:

http://www.woodfit.com/product_info.php?products_id=216&Name=Cabinet+Conn ector+-+30+to+39mm+-+Nickel+Plated

**BUT**

o They need to have a total length of no more than 6mm.
o Ideally both screw heads would be countersunk (rather than
round/pan/anything else.
o The sleeve part needs to be no more than 5mm diameter.

I actually have a couple of usable screws (round headed and only
slightly too long - can always file them), but need the sleeve bits.

Went to Isaac Lord today - nothing - and discussed cutting down a
carcase connector but they are not threaded far enough.

I only really need two of them! Four would be as many as I am ever
likely to use.

I know I have seen things like this as components (but can't remember
where). I think the screw can go right through some (which would be fine.)

I also thought about riveting them (blind rivets) - but haven't got a
riveter! And buying one seems excessive.

Any ideas?

(I suppose I *could* glue the parts - but don't really want to preclude
disassembly in future.)

==========================================
Slotted nuts are readily available:

http://tinyurl.com/a7mxsd

You might also be able to use a brass computer motherboard standoff:

http://tinyurl.com/8e7n9j

Cic.

--
==========================================
Using Ubuntu Linux
Windows shown the door
==========================================

Cicero wrote:
On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 22:43:56 +0000, Rod wrote:

I am trying to fix some components together in a very tight space.

What I need is something not a million miles away from the carcase
connectors used for kitchen units. Like these:

http://www.woodfit.com/product_info.php?products_id=216&Name=Cabinet+Conn ector+-+30+to+39mm+-+Nickel+Plated

**BUT**

o They need to have a total length of no more than 6mm.
o Ideally both screw heads would be countersunk (rather than
round/pan/anything else.
o The sleeve part needs to be no more than 5mm diameter.

I actually have a couple of usable screws (round headed and only
slightly too long - can always file them), but need the sleeve bits.

Went to Isaac Lord today - nothing - and discussed cutting down a
carcase connector but they are not threaded far enough.

I only really need two of them! Four would be as many as I am ever
likely to use.

I know I have seen things like this as components (but can't remember
where). I think the screw can go right through some (which would be fine.)

I also thought about riveting them (blind rivets) - but haven't got a
riveter! And buying one seems excessive.

Any ideas?

(I suppose I *could* glue the parts - but don't really want to preclude
disassembly in future.)

==========================================
Slotted nuts are readily available:

http://tinyurl.com/a7mxsd

You might also be able to use a brass computer motherboard standoff:

http://tinyurl.com/8e7n9j

Cic.


Thanks all. Some excellent ideas and links.

I tried some things this morning. First, got a brass countersunk screw,
drilled through the head, into the shaft. Then tried to tap it. But the
head broke off. Tried anyway - and it just wasn't going to work.

Got the nut and ground it down (using a Dremel and grinding wheel). Even
when shaved to almost nothing, it was still fouling the thing it has to
avoid.

I am admitting defeat - and going for a totally different approach.
Involving a bit of wood.

--
Rod

Hypothyroidism is a seriously debilitating condition with an insidious
onset.
Although common it frequently goes undiagnosed.
www.thyromind.info www.thyroiduk.org www.altsupportthyroid.org

On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 11:54:05 +0000, Rod
wrote:

I am admitting defeat - and going for a totally different approach.
Involving a bit of wood.

With a hammer head on it and you'll smash your project to pieces ..LOL

Rod writes:

Cicero wrote:
On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 22:43:56 +0000, Rod wrote:

I am trying to fix some components together in a very tight space.

What are they made of?

I also thought about riveting them (blind rivets) - but
haven't got a riveter! And buying one seems excessive.

That suggests they might be sheet metal...

Any ideas?

I am admitting defeat - and going for a totally different
approach. Involving a bit of wood.

If one of the components /is/ made of sheet metal, you could
use clinchnuts, couldn't you? On uk.rs-online.com
Mechanical Components = Fasteners and Fixings =
Threaded Sheet Metal and Panel Fasteners
= Clinchnuts & Thread Inserts
for example, stock No. 505-375:
http://uk.rs-online.com/web/search/searchBrowseAction.html?method=getProduct&R=050537 5

--
Jón Fairbairn
http://www.chaos.org.uk/~jf/Stuff-I-dont-want.html (updated 2008-04-26)

Jon Fairbairn wrote:
Rod writes:

Cicero wrote:
On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 22:43:56 +0000, Rod wrote:

I am trying to fix some components together in a very tight space.

What are they made of?

I also thought about riveting them (blind rivets) - but
haven't got a riveter! And buying one seems excessive.

That suggests they might be sheet metal...

Any ideas?

I am admitting defeat - and going for a totally different
approach. Involving a bit of wood.

If one of the components /is/ made of sheet metal, you could
use clinchnuts, couldn't you? On uk.rs-online.com
Mechanical Components = Fasteners and Fixings =
Threaded Sheet Metal and Panel Fasteners
= Clinchnuts & Thread Inserts
for example, stock No. 505-375:
http://uk.rs-online.com/web/search/searchBrowseAction.html?method=getProduct&R=050537 5

I did look at clinchnuts - but am still not convinced they would have
been shallow enough. One component is metal (sheet - but carefully
fabricated so not flat), the other thin MDF. The hole in the metal is
already countersunk so there isn't really anything for a clinchnut to be
fastened to. (It is intended to be used by a wood screw going into a
lump of wood - whereas I am trying to attach a very thin sheet of MDF.

But that is another product I have seen used - but had no idea of the
name or availability. Thank you.

--
Rod

Hypothyroidism is a seriously debilitating condition with an insidious
onset.
Although common it frequently goes undiagnosed.
www.thyromind.info www.thyroiduk.org www.altsupportthyroid.org

On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 15:55:25 +0000, Rod
wrote:


I did look at clinchnuts - but am still not convinced they would have
been shallow enough. One component is metal (sheet - but carefully
fabricated so not flat), the other thin MDF. The hole in the metal is
already countersunk so there isn't really anything for a clinchnut to be
fastened to. (It is intended to be used by a wood screw going into a
lump of wood - whereas I am trying to attach a very thin sheet of MDF.

But that is another product I have seen used - but had no idea of the
name or availability. Thank you.

RS do a F-F thread spacer kit, which might be the sort of thing you're
looking for:-

http://uk.rs-online.com/web/search/s...7929 3#header

It's their part number 217-9293

I'm pretty certain that others, such as Maplin, might have them...

--
Frank Erskine

On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 22:43:56 +0000, Rod wrote:

I am trying to fix some components together in a very tight space.

What I need is something not a million miles away from the carcase
connectors used for kitchen units. Like these:

http://www.woodfit.com/product_info....6&Name=Cabinet
+Connector+-+30+to+39mm+-+Nickel+Plated

**BUT**

o They need to have a total length of no more than 6mm. o Ideally
both screw heads would be countersunk (rather than round/pan/anything
else.
o The sleeve part needs to be no more than 5mm diameter.

I actually have a couple of usable screws (round headed and only
slightly too long - can always file them), but need the sleeve bits.

Went to Isaac Lord today - nothing - and discussed cutting down a
carcase connector but they are not threaded far enough.

I only really need two of them! Four would be as many as I am ever
likely to use.

I know I have seen things like this as components (but can't remember
where). I think the screw can go right through some (which would be
fine.)

I also thought about riveting them (blind rivets) - but haven't got a
riveter! And buying one seems excessive.

Any ideas?

(I suppose I *could* glue the parts - but don't really want to preclude
disassembly in future.)


Are these any good? Look for Chicargo screws at the bottom of the page.
http://www.leprevo.co.uk/press_studs.html

--
Mick (Working in a M$-free zone!)
Web: http://www.nascom.info
Filtering everything posted from googlegroups to kill spam.

mick wrote:
On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 22:43:56 +0000, Rod wrote:

I am trying to fix some components together in a very tight space.

What I need is something not a million miles away from the carcase
connectors used for kitchen units. Like these:

http://www.woodfit.com/product_info....6&Name=Cabinet
+Connector+-+30+to+39mm+-+Nickel+Plated
**BUT**

o They need to have a total length of no more than 6mm. o Ideally
both screw heads would be countersunk (rather than round/pan/anything
else.
o The sleeve part needs to be no more than 5mm diameter.

I actually have a couple of usable screws (round headed and only
slightly too long - can always file them), but need the sleeve bits.

Went to Isaac Lord today - nothing - and discussed cutting down a
carcase connector but they are not threaded far enough.

I only really need two of them! Four would be as many as I am ever
likely to use.

I know I have seen things like this as components (but can't remember
where). I think the screw can go right through some (which would be
fine.)

I also thought about riveting them (blind rivets) - but haven't got a
riveter! And buying one seems excessive.

Any ideas?

(I suppose I *could* glue the parts - but don't really want to preclude
disassembly in future.)


Are these any good? Look for Chicargo screws at the bottom of the page.
http://www.leprevo.co.uk/press_studs.html

Very, very close. 5.5mm between inner faces - had it been that between
the outer faces I think it would have been fine. As I said earlier, I
have now gone down the completely different, much less aesthetic
approach involving a bit of wood.

Excellent to know - thanks.

--
Rod

Hypothyroidism is a seriously debilitating condition with an insidious
onset.
Although common it frequently goes undiagnosed.
www.thyromind.info www.thyroiduk.org www.altsupportthyroid.org