Do there exist wood- or pellet-burning stoves
that require no flues?
(I see some advertised in an Ideal Home inset
which appear to have no flues.)

If so, why do most stoves have flues,
if they are not really necessary?

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Timothy Murphy
saying something like:

Do there exist wood- or pellet-burning stoves
that require no flues?
(I see some advertised in an Ideal Home inset
which appear to have no flues.)

If so, why do most stoves have flues,
if they are not really necessary?

I suppose you don't have to have a flue if you don't mind stepping back
into medieval times and letting the smoke out through a hole in the
roof.

Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:

Do there exist wood- or pellet-burning stoves
that require no flues?
(I see some advertised in an Ideal Home inset
which appear to have no flues.)

I suppose you don't have to have a flue if you don't mind stepping back
into medieval times and letting the smoke out through a hole in the
roof.

I just looked again at this booklet, "How to heat your home",
and it says at the beginning of the booklet,
under "Choose a stylish freestanding stover",
"Flues are needed for most stoves, although some models are flueless".

In message , Grimly Curmudgeon
writes
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Timothy Murphy
saying something like:

Do there exist wood- or pellet-burning stoves
that require no flues?
(I see some advertised in an Ideal Home inset
which appear to have no flues.)

If so, why do most stoves have flues,
if they are not really necessary?

I suppose you don't have to have a flue if you don't mind stepping back
into medieval times and letting the smoke out through a hole in the
roof.

He's in Ireland, Dave ...


--
geoff

"Timothy Murphy" wrote in message
...
Do there exist wood- or pellet-burning stoves
that require no flues?
(I see some advertised in an Ideal Home inset
which appear to have no flues.)

If so, why do most stoves have flues,
if they are not really necessary?


Where would the products of combustion go?
No flue would suggest to me an electric look alike.


mark

On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:10:23 +0000, mark wrote:

"Timothy Murphy" wrote in message
...
Do there exist wood- or pellet-burning stoves that require no flues?
(I see some advertised in an Ideal Home inset which appear to have no
flues.)

If so, why do most stoves have flues, if they are not really necessary?


Where would the products of combustion go? No flue would suggest to me
an electric look alike.


There are models of gas fire that are flueless. They are usually quite
restricted by gas rate, minimum room size, and mandatory room vents.



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"Ed Sirett" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:10:23 +0000, mark wrote:

"Timothy Murphy" wrote in message
...
Do there exist wood- or pellet-burning stoves that require no flues?
(I see some advertised in an Ideal Home inset which appear to have no
flues.)

If so, why do most stoves have flues, if they are not really necessary?


Where would the products of combustion go? No flue would suggest to me
an electric look alike.


There are models of gas fire that are flueless. They are usually quite
restricted by gas rate, minimum room size, and mandatory room vents.


Are they still available? - I have certainly used one in the past but
haven't noticed one recently, I presumed because (as always) safe operation
was the responsibility of the user but the liability would end up with the
seller.


--
Bob Mannix
(anti-spam is as easy as 1-2-3 - not)

Bob Mannix wrote:
"Ed Sirett" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:10:23 +0000, mark wrote:

"Timothy Murphy" wrote in message
...
Do there exist wood- or pellet-burning stoves that require no flues?
(I see some advertised in an Ideal Home inset which appear to have no
flues.)

If so, why do most stoves have flues, if they are not really necessary?


Where would the products of combustion go? No flue would suggest to me
an electric look alike.


There are models of gas fire that are flueless. They are usually quite
restricted by gas rate, minimum room size, and mandatory room vents.


Are they still available? - I have certainly used one in the past but
haven't noticed one recently, I presumed because (as always) safe operation
was the responsibility of the user but the liability would end up with the
seller.


When I went gas-fire-looking the other week, most of the ones I saw in
'the posh shop' were flueless.

Keep wondering why they don't have to have efficiency ratings like white
goods. Yes - I know it would be hard to factor in the loss of heat due
to the mandatory permanent ventilation required by them. But without the
realisation of that factor, I'd guess relatively few purchasers have any
idea of the impact (or cost) they could have when they are fitted.

I can't see it ever being viable to have a similar system for solid
fuels. At least not at significantly higher power than a candle.

--
Rod

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onset.
Although common it frequently goes undiagnosed.
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On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:10:23 -0000, "mark"
wrote:

Where would the products of combustion go?

Where do they go from my oil boiler? Just a hole in the garage wall!
No flue. I could imagine a new type of wood-burning stove that
recycled the gases in some way as to make a flue redundant. It's what
is stopping me from after-fitting a stove.

MM

On Dec 2, 2:12*pm, MM wrote:
On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:10:23 -0000, "mark"

wrote:
Where would the products of combustion go?

Where do they go from my oil boiler? Just a hole in the garage wall!

I guess you don't spend a lot of time in the garage, though.

MBQ

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "Man at B&Q"
saying something like:

Where would the products of combustion go?

Where do they go from my oil boiler? Just a hole in the garage wall!

I guess you don't spend a lot of time in the garage, though.

Or too much.

On 30 Nov, 16:10, "mark" wrote:
"Timothy Murphy" wrote in message

...

Do there exist wood- or pellet-burning stoves
that require no flues?
(I see some advertised in an Ideal Home inset
which appear to have no flues.)

If so, why do most stoves have flues,
if they are not really necessary?

Where would the products of combustion go?
No flue would suggest to me an electric look alike.

mark

The flueless stoves have a catalyst that converts the CO.
They release a lot of water vapour into the air.
However, they are very efficient (if you ignore the air supply into
the room !),
in that no heat goes up the chimney / flue.
It you arranged air to be drawn from under suspended floor, could be
OK.
But you may need a dehumidifier as well !

Simon.

sm_jamieson wrote:
On 30 Nov, 16:10, "mark" wrote:
"Timothy Murphy" wrote in message

...

Do there exist wood- or pellet-burning stoves
that require no flues?
(I see some advertised in an Ideal Home inset
which appear to have no flues.)
If so, why do most stoves have flues,
if they are not really necessary?
Where would the products of combustion go?
No flue would suggest to me an electric look alike.

mark

The flueless stoves have a catalyst that converts the CO.
They release a lot of water vapour into the air.
However, they are very efficient (if you ignore the air supply into
the room !),
in that no heat goes up the chimney / flue.
It you arranged air to be drawn from under suspended floor, could be
OK.
But you may need a dehumidifier as well !

Simon.

Simon,

You appear to be referring to the flueless *gas* stoves. The OP was
asking about flueless "wood- or pellet-burning stoves".

--
Rod

Hypothyroidism is a seriously debilitating condition with an insidious
onset.
Although common it frequently goes undiagnosed.
www.thyromind.info www.thyroiduk.org www.altsupportthyroid.org

On Tue, 02 Dec 2008 07:15:40 -0800, sm_jamieson wrote:

On 30 Nov, 16:10, "mark" wrote:
"Timothy Murphy" wrote in message

...

Do there exist wood- or pellet-burning stoves that require no flues?
(I see some advertised in an Ideal Home inset which appear to have no
flues.)

If so, why do most stoves have flues, if they are not really
necessary?

Where would the products of combustion go? No flue would suggest to me
an electric look alike.

mark

The flueless stoves have a catalyst that converts the CO. They release a
lot of water vapour into the air. However, they are very efficient (if
you ignore the air supply into the room !),
in that no heat goes up the chimney / flue.

Um, condensing too. ;-)


--
Ed Sirett - Property maintainer and registered gas fitter.
The FAQ for uk.diy is at http://www.diyfaq.org.uk
Gas fitting FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFitting.html
Sealed CH FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/SealedCH.html
Choosing a Boiler FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/BoilerChoice.html