any & all pointers gratefully received for:-

house changes - moving stairs, moving stud partitions to create
bedrooms, creating a showeroom (no electric shower planned), a
cloakroom, new CH boiler (oil), smoke alarm.

Bregs full plans approved - about to start work.
Current conusmer unit is old wylex but with MCBs - no RCDs....

Checked with Council Building Ctrl - it seems I am OK to do all
electrics concerned with above inckuding cloakroom (as they are
"extensions to existing circuits") excep showeroom extractor fan and
light fall under PartP.

Q1) Pre PartP I was confident in my ability to undertake
straightforward wiring jobs - new lights, sockets etc. Even though
these new jobs are non-notifiable what other regs and "standards" of
installation should/do I have to work to nowadays?

Q2) Sparky #1 has been to look at the spaces where the showeroom and
smoke alarm will be and sucked a lot of teeth about lack of RCDs on
CU, lack of bonding for existing bathroom, (and muttered about me
wanting to do the rest myself) - what should I be looking to do/get
done for this aspect to get it signed off by BCO, and what should it
cost?

Q3) can the new oil boiler operate off one of "my" circuit extensions
(given that I do any!) or is there more red tape there too?

ta for any help
Jim

"jim" wrote

any & all pointers gratefully received for:-

snip............
Someone will be along with the detail but..
All work must comply with the latest regulations in terms of specification,
installation and testing - whether falling under Part P or not.
This means the new 17th edition which has some significant differences to
the 16th.
Part P particularly covers special locations, so kitchens, bathrooms, shower
rooms etc will need to be inspected where other elements may not.
So if your boiler is in a kitchen it will be caught anyway. Don't think
Part P covers replacement heating circuit components, only a total re-fit.
Pay attention to the RCD situation in 17th edition - this is significantly
different to previous practice and 16th.

From what you have said, if you read up on new regs and can test all work in
accordance, then the Part P bit is just the shower room.
BCO should test this for you if you DIY

HTH

Phil

On 9 Sep, 14:40, "TheScullster" wrote:
"jim" wrote

any & all pointers gratefully received for:-

snip............
Someone will be along with the detail but..
All work must comply with the latest regulations in terms of specification,
installation and testing - whether falling under Part P or not.
This means the new 17th edition which has some significant differences to
the 16th.
Part P particularly covers special locations, so kitchens, bathrooms, shower
rooms etc will need to be inspected where other elements may not.
So if your boiler is in a kitchen it will be caught anyway. Don't think
Part P covers replacement heating circuit components, only a total re-fit.
Pay attention to the RCD situation in 17th edition - this is significantly
different to previous practice and 16th.

From what you have said, if you read up on new regs and can test all work in
accordance, then the Part P bit is just the shower room.
BCO should test this for you if you DIY

HTH

Phil

thanks Phil,
as regards testing I've had a quick look at the TLC web guide:-
http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Book/8.2.1.htm
which I think is based on the 16th edition.... does the 17th add
anything in the "testing" area? this is the only bit that I'd need to
consider having never tested things to that degree - is extra special
kit required to do that? moreover is it worth me purporting to be a
"competent person" and doing it?

for e.g.- Is it feasible to get the lot tested after I've done my
bits? or before and after? or will I run into sparkys' "vested
interest" cans of worms?

The BCO said verbally "just get on with it - except notifiable part P
bits" - this i take to mean he won't be looking at anything except the
bit of paper I get for the PartP bits.. so... where's the impetus to
change other things to the 17th regs? how can it "get me"? or put
another way - why should I pay inflated sparky rates for stuff I could
do myself? (if not absolutely to the letter of the 17th regs)....

ta
Jim

On 9 Sep, 14:40, "TheScullster" wrote:
"jim" wrote

any & all pointers gratefully received for:-

snip............
Someone will be along with the detail but..
All work must comply with the latest regulations in terms of specification,
installation and testing - whether falling under Part P or not.
This means the new 17th edition which has some significant differences to
the 16th.
Part P particularly covers special locations, so kitchens, bathrooms, shower
rooms etc will need to be inspected where other elements may not.
So if your boiler is in a kitchen it will be caught anyway. Don't think
Part P covers replacement heating circuit components, only a total re-fit.
Pay attention to the RCD situation in 17th edition - this is significantly
different to previous practice and 16th.

From what you have said, if you read up on new regs and can test all work in
accordance, then the Part P bit is just the shower room.
BCO should test this for you if you DIY

HTH

Phil

thanks Phil,
as regards testing I've had a quick look at the TLC web guide:-
http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Book/8.2.1.htm
which I think is based on the 16th edition.... does the 17th add
anything in the "testing" area? this is the only bit that I'd need to
consider having never tested things to that degree - is extra special
kit required to do that? moreover is it worth me purporting to be a
"competent person" and doing it?

for e.g.- Is it feasible to get the lot tested after I've done my
bits? or before and after? or will I run into sparkys' "vested
interest" cans of worms?

The BCO said verbally "just get on with it - except notifiable part P
bits" - this i take to mean he won't be looking at anything except the
bit of paper I get for the PartP bits.. so... where's the impetus to
change other things to the 17th regs? how can it "get me"? or put
another way - why should I pay inflated sparky rates for stuff I could
do myself? (if not absolutely to the letter of the 17th regs)....

ta
Jim

"jim" wrote in message
...
On 9 Sep, 14:40, "TheScullster" wrote:
"jim" wrote

any & all pointers gratefully received for:-

as regards testing I've had a quick look at the TLC web guide:-
http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Book/8.2.1.htm
which I think is based on the 16th edition.... does the 17th add
anything in the "testing" area? this is the only bit that I'd need to
consider having never tested things to that degree - is extra special
kit required to do that? moreover is it worth me purporting to be a
"competent person" and doing it?

for e.g.- Is it feasible to get the lot tested after I've done my
bits? or before and after? or will I run into sparkys' "vested
interest" cans of worms?

The BCO said verbally "just get on with it - except notifiable part P
bits" - this i take to mean he won't be looking at anything except the
bit of paper I get for the PartP bits.. so... where's the impetus to
change other things to the 17th regs? how can it "get me"? or put
another way - why should I pay inflated sparky rates for stuff I could
do myself? (if not absolutely to the letter of the 17th regs)....

ta
Jim

I'm currently in a similar situation with a bedroom/shower room extension.
I've also opted to add another ring main, which is notifiable as a new
circuit, so most of my new wiring falls under Part P. I'm doing all this
under a Full Plans Application.

Our local authority (Waverley in Surrey) has a standard "first fix"
electrical inspection on their list, which they sub out to an electrical
firm, although our usual BCO came along too. They don't mention final
testing on their standard list, and I was initially told that either I
should do the full tests myself, or get it done and provide a certificate
from an electrical contractors. I would be happy to do it myself, and have a
modern loop tester (see EBay, well worth getting for your own safety
testing), but not an insulation tester or RCD tester, so could not complete
the relevant test form completely.

Given the above, I've just had the discussion re Part P page 11 "doesn't the
LA do the testing in these circumstances" and have now got an agreement that
they will do the final test (subbed out as before), with a weeks notice (not
a problem to me). Part P also states that in this case the LA bears the cost
of testing - and to date no charges to me have been mentioned over and above
the normal inspection fees.

I should add that our BCO has been helpful, friendly, and a pleasure to deal
with throughout the project so far.

I would suggest that you download Part P from the government planning
portal, print, read, and if necessary quote pages 11 and 12, which cover DIY
installations and testing. Unusually, this section is written in clear
English, and to me is unambiguous in its meaning. Having said that, it would
seem that different LA's are taking a different view on how they deal with
this - I suspect that Waverley stick to the "you have to provide your own
certificate" line, unless Part P is directly quoted.

I would also recommend buying John Whitfield's guide to the 17th edition of
the wiring regulations to give you a view on what you need to do to stay
legal and current in your installation.

You are probably going to have to either change or radically alter your
consumer unit to comply with the new RCD rules for all of your new circuits.
It might be possible to do this as part of a full plans application (as
above) if you want to do this yourself, as a CU change is notifiable. The
new 17th ed rules re RCD protection look initially like a pain in the neck,
but they will make your house safer.

Best of luck with this - it's all do-able if you read the regs and take
take.
Charles F