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Ideal Response 120 - Heat Exchanger
Hi my Ideal Response 120 (about 6 years old) has started to leak
inside the heat exchanger. Ideal will sell me a new heat exchanger for £272 but i wondered if this will be a short or long-term fix? Cheers |
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Ideal Response 120 - Heat Exchanger
On 26 Aug, 13:38, wrote:
Hi my Ideal Response 120 (about 6 years old) has started to leak inside the heat exchanger. Ideal will sell me a new heat exchanger for £272 but i wondered if this will be a short or long-term fix? Cheers Does that include all the other bits required such as seals, refractories etc? At the end of the day you would have a new heat exchanger in an old boiler. There would be a lot less work involved in replacing the boiler than the stripdown, rebuild and replace so do your sums. Bear in mind a new boiler will have a warranty |
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Ideal Response 120 - Heat Exchanger
On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 02:07:59 -0700, cynic wrote:
On 26 Aug, 13:38, wrote: Hi my Ideal Response 120 (about 6 years old) has started to leak inside the heat exchanger. Ideal will sell me a new heat exchanger for £272 but i wondered if this will be a short or long-term fix? Cheers Does that include all the other bits required such as seals, refractories etc? At the end of the day you would have a new heat exchanger in an old boiler. There would be a lot less work involved in replacing the boiler than the stripdown, rebuild and replace so do your sums. Bear in mind a new boiler will have a warranty Reapiring an Ideal response will restore the boiler to one with a very short life expentancy. However if you go that route do everything you can to get the return water temperature as high as possible. -- Ed Sirett - Property maintainer and registered gas fitter. The FAQ for uk.diy is at http://www.diyfaq.org.uk Gas fitting FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFitting.html Sealed CH FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/SealedCH.html Choosing a Boiler FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/BoilerChoice.html |
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Ideal Response 120 - Heat Exchanger
"Ed Sirett" wrote in message ... On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 02:07:59 -0700, cynic wrote: On 26 Aug, 13:38, wrote: Hi my Ideal Response 120 (about 6 years old) has started to leak inside the heat exchanger. Ideal will sell me a new heat exchanger for £272 but i wondered if this will be a short or long-term fix? Cheers Does that include all the other bits required such as seals, refractories etc? At the end of the day you would have a new heat exchanger in an old boiler. There would be a lot less work involved in replacing the boiler than the stripdown, rebuild and replace so do your sums. Bear in mind a new boiler will have a warranty Reapiring an Ideal response will restore the boiler to one with a very short life expentancy. However if you go that route do everything you can to get the return water temperature as high as possible. I know of a few Responses that are quite old and have never missed beat. But they do have the temperature set high for the rads. The problem with non-condensing boilers is that for them to work properly, the return temperature has to be above 60C, which means the rad temps are too high for many people, so they lower the setting and cause internal problems. Fit a blending valve between the flow and return to ensure 60C is being returned. But this valve will not be cheap either. Parts may be over £400 in total. May as well consider a new high flowrate condensing combi boiler which will use less gas too, although the Response is a reasonably economical boiler. |
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Ideal Response 120 - Heat Exchanger
On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 09:29:45 +0100, Doctor Drivel wrote:
"Ed Sirett" wrote in message ... On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 02:07:59 -0700, cynic wrote: On 26 Aug, 13:38, wrote: Hi my Ideal Response 120 (about 6 years old) has started to leak inside the heat exchanger. Ideal will sell me a new heat exchanger for £272 but i wondered if this will be a short or long-term fix? Cheers Does that include all the other bits required such as seals, refractories etc? At the end of the day you would have a new heat exchanger in an old boiler. There would be a lot less work involved in replacing the boiler than the stripdown, rebuild and replace so do your sums. Bear in mind a new boiler will have a warranty Reapiring an Ideal response will restore the boiler to one with a very short life expentancy. However if you go that route do everything you can to get the return water temperature as high as possible. I know of a few Responses that are quite old and have never missed beat. But they do have the temperature set high for the rads. The problem with non-condensing boilers is that for them to work properly, the return temperature has to be above 60C, which means the rad temps are too high for many people, so they lower the setting and cause internal problems. The problem is worse with the Response because there is little excess air passing through the boiler due the use of a forced pre-mix burner. Thus the flue gasses are wetter than with most non-condensing boilers. -- Ed Sirett - Property maintainer and registered gas fitter. The FAQ for uk.diy is at http://www.diyfaq.org.uk Gas fitting FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFitting.html Sealed CH FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/SealedCH.html Choosing a Boiler FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/BoilerChoice.html |
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Ideal Response 120 - Heat Exchanger
"Ed Sirett" wrote in message ... On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 09:29:45 +0100, Doctor Drivel wrote: "Ed Sirett" wrote in message ... On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 02:07:59 -0700, cynic wrote: On 26 Aug, 13:38, wrote: Hi my Ideal Response 120 (about 6 years old) has started to leak inside the heat exchanger. Ideal will sell me a new heat exchanger for Ã,£272 but i wondered if this will be a short or long-term fix? Cheers Does that include all the other bits required such as seals, refractories etc? At the end of the day you would have a new heat exchanger in an old boiler. There would be a lot less work involved in replacing the boiler than the stripdown, rebuild and replace so do your sums. Bear in mind a new boiler will have a warranty Reapiring an Ideal response will restore the boiler to one with a very short life expentancy. However if you go that route do everything you can to get the return water temperature as high as possible. I know of a few Responses that are quite old and have never missed beat. But they do have the temperature set high for the rads. The problem with non-condensing boilers is that for them to work properly, the return temperature has to be above 60C, which means the rad temps are too high for many people, so they lower the setting and cause internal problems. The problem is worse with the Response because there is little excess air passing through the boiler due the use of a forced pre-mix burner. Thus the flue gasses are wetter than with most non-condensing boilers. Yep. The rad temp settings on the Response must be on maximum. Yep I have seen plumes coming out of Response flues. |
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