I've been looking at this for ages and can't work out what it is.

http://tinyurl.com/5h8v9w

Tethered inflatable? Can't believe it's plane.

Bob Martin wrote:
I've been looking at this for ages and can't work out what it is.

http://tinyurl.com/5h8v9w

Tethered inflatable? Can't believe it's plane.
Look like the photo has caught a plane banking, the confusion is
possibly because it is impossible to tell how far it is above ground.

"Bob Martin" wrote in message
om...

I've been looking at this for ages and can't work out what it is.

http://tinyurl.com/5h8v9w

Tethered inflatable? Can't believe it's plane.

Since its visible when you zoom out, I would imagine it to be a UFO or a
data glitch.

"Bob Martin" wrote in message
om...

I've been looking at this for ages and can't work out what it is.

http://tinyurl.com/5h8v9w

Tethered inflatable? Can't believe it's plane.


I think it's a CCD phenomenon known as "blooming"

Basically excessive light overloads a pixel or group of pixels on the sensor
and the resultant charge spills into adjacent pixels.

You can see from the shadows the sun is relatively low, and I reckon a
direct reflection of a vehicle screen or mirror has caused it.

More info he http://learn.hamamatsu.com/articles/...dblooming.html
for those of an anorakky disposition.

"Vortex2" wrote in message
...

"Bob Martin" wrote in message
om...

I've been looking at this for ages and can't work out what it is.

http://tinyurl.com/5h8v9w

Tethered inflatable? Can't believe it's plane.


I think it's a CCD phenomenon known as "blooming"

Basically excessive light overloads a pixel or group of pixels on the
sensor and the resultant charge spills into adjacent pixels.

You can see from the shadows the sun is relatively low, and I reckon a
direct reflection of a vehicle screen or mirror has caused it.

More info he http://learn.hamamatsu.com/articles/...dblooming.html
for those of an anorakky disposition.


Sometimes seen on Google Earth - usually a reflection.

On 14 Aug, 10:08, Bob Martin wrote:
I've been looking at this for ages and can't work out what it is.

http://tinyurl.com/5h8v9w

Tethered inflatable? *Can't believe it's plane.

There is _something_ coming out of the roof, but not so prominent, on
other aerial views:

http://www.multimap.com/s/0Xo6UToe
http://www.flashearth.com/?lat=51.34....3&r=0&src=msl

Regrettably, Multimap don't have their "fly around" bird's eye view
for this area.

My guess would be a flagstaff from a funny angle. Notice the elongated
lamppost to its left. The flag looks as if it's at half mast.

Chris

In article ,
Broadback wrote:
Bob Martin wrote:
I've been looking at this for ages and can't work out what it is.

http://tinyurl.com/5h8v9w

Tethered inflatable? Can't believe it's plane.

Look like the photo has caught a plane banking, the confusion is
possibly because it is impossible to tell how far it is above ground.

Whatever it is doesn't show on my RISC OS browser so is perhaps in a layer
it can't 'resolve'?

--
*Life is hard; then you nap

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

wrote:
On 14 Aug, 10:08, Bob Martin wrote:

I've been looking at this for ages and can't work out what it is.

http://tinyurl.com/5h8v9w

Tethered inflatable? Can't believe it's plane.


There is _something_ coming out of the roof, but not so prominent, on
other aerial views:

http://www.multimap.com/s/0Xo6UToe
http://www.flashearth.com/?lat=51.34....3&r=0&src=msl

Regrettably, Multimap don't have their "fly around" bird's eye view
for this area.

My guess would be a flagstaff from a funny angle. Notice the elongated
lamppost to its left. The flag looks as if it's at half mast.

Chris

Definitely not something on the ground as it has no shadow.
It's a light aircraft at about 1500 feet.

Andy.

On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 08:08:25 GMT, Bob Martin
wrote:


I've been looking at this for ages and can't work out what it is.

http://tinyurl.com/5h8v9w

Tethered inflatable? Can't believe it's plane.

It's Kenny Everett in a glider.

http://www.videovista.net/reviews/nov04/kenever3.jpg

Regards,



--
Stephen Howard - Woodwind repairs & period restorations
www.shwoodwind.co.uk
Emails to: showard{whoisat}shwoodwind{dot}co{dot}uk

Broadback wrote:
Bob Martin wrote:
I've been looking at this for ages and can't work out what it is.

http://tinyurl.com/5h8v9w

Tethered inflatable? Can't believe it's plane.
Look like the photo has caught a plane banking, the confusion is
possibly because it is impossible to tell how far it is above ground.

I think so: it casts no shadow anywhere I could find, which suggests its
pretty high up.

I think its not banking so much as looping..it looks like its a
sailplane in a near vertical dive.

On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:48:25 +0000, Stephen Howard
wrote:

On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 08:08:25 GMT, Bob Martin
wrote:


I've been looking at this for ages and can't work out what it is.

http://tinyurl.com/5h8v9w

Tethered inflatable? Can't believe it's plane.

It's Kenny Everett in a glider.

http://www.videovista.net/reviews/nov04/kenever3.jpg

Regards,


If you use Google Earth, mine is version 4.3.7284.3916 (beta), where
you can juggle around with the angle of view etc, it becomes more
obvious that it's an aircraft banking.

On 14 Aug, 09:08, Bob Martin wrote:
I've been looking at this for ages and can't work out what it is.

http://tinyurl.com/5h8v9w

Tethered inflatable? *Can't believe it's plane.

Bird poo.
That's not a guess...just had a helluva day.

"Old Git" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:48:25 +0000, Stephen Howard
wrote:

On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 08:08:25 GMT, Bob Martin
wrote:


I've been looking at this for ages and can't work out what it is.

http://tinyurl.com/5h8v9w

Tethered inflatable? Can't believe it's plane.

It's Kenny Everett in a glider.

http://www.videovista.net/reviews/nov04/kenever3.jpg

Regards,


If you use Google Earth, mine is version 4.3.7284.3916 (beta), where
you can juggle around with the angle of view etc, it becomes more
obvious that it's an aircraft banking.


But the raw data you are seeing is the same. You are not really getting a
different view.

wrote:

There is _something_ coming out of the roof, but not so prominent, on
other aerial views:

http://www.multimap.com/s/0Xo6UToe
http://www.flashearth.com/?lat=51.34....3&r=0&src=msl

*One* other aerial view. The cars are all in the same places on those
shots, even the ones driving.

I thought I'd try Microsoft's Virtual Earth, but that's the same shot too...

I'd go for the CCD bloom theory.

Andy

On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:51:11 +0100, Andy Dee wrote:

Definitely not something on the ground as it has no shadow.

That I agree with.

It's a light aircraft at about 1500 feet.

This I don't if it was a genuine object why is there a band of pixels
along the top left edge so different? They should just blend from the
background to the forground.

I go for CCD overload and lens flare. If you look at the cars in the same
row and to the left of the center of the "mystery object" you'll see
smaller sun glints.

--
Cheers
Dave.

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Bob Martin
saying something like:


I've been looking at this for ages and can't work out what it is.

http://tinyurl.com/5h8v9w

Tethered inflatable? Can't believe it's plane.

It's a glider in a loop or dive and it's caught the sun just at the
right angle to white itself out by reflection.
Stupid place to be doing stunts, you would think, but I'd bet at the
altitude the glider is at and the angle of the pic it only makes it
appear to be above the buildings, when in reality it's much further to
the south, and probably above open fields.
--
Dave
GS850x2 XS650 SE6a

"It's a moron working with power tools.
How much more suspenseful can you get?"
- House

Bob Martin wrote:
I've been looking at this for ages and can't work out what it is.

http://tinyurl.com/5h8v9w

Tethered inflatable? Can't believe it's plane.

Alien UFO on its way to abduct an inhabitant of Sheerness. That would
explain a lot.


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

in 139606 20080815 041157 Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:

It's a glider in a loop or dive and it's caught the sun just at the
right angle to white itself out by reflection.
Stupid place to be doing stunts, you would think, but I'd bet at the
altitude the glider is at and the angle of the pic it only makes it
appear to be above the buildings, when in reality it's much further to
the south, and probably above open fields.

That would make sense if the pics were taken from a great height
- ie from satellite - but I thought they were taken from a plane,
despite Googles labels.

"Bob Martin" wrote in message
om...
in 139606 20080815 041157 Grimly Curmudgeon
wrote:

It's a glider in a loop or dive and it's caught the sun just at the
right angle to white itself out by reflection.
Stupid place to be doing stunts, you would think, but I'd bet at the
altitude the glider is at and the angle of the pic it only makes it
appear to be above the buildings, when in reality it's much further to
the south, and probably above open fields.

That would make sense if the pics were taken from a great height
- ie from satellite - but I thought they were taken from a plane,
despite Googles labels.

They are from satellite above a certain height - then from and aircraft -
soon to be joined by street level ones taken by car (already in the USA)

"John" wrote in message
...

"Bob Martin" wrote in message
om...
in 139606 20080815 041157 Grimly Curmudgeon
wrote:

It's a glider in a loop or dive and it's caught the sun just at the
right angle to white itself out by reflection.
Stupid place to be doing stunts, you would think, but I'd bet at the
altitude the glider is at and the angle of the pic it only makes it
appear to be above the buildings, when in reality it's much further to
the south, and probably above open fields.

That would make sense if the pics were taken from a great height
- ie from satellite - but I thought they were taken from a plane,
despite Googles labels.

They are from satellite above a certain height - then from and aircraft -
soon to be joined by street level ones taken by car (already in the USA)


The Google car was driving about Glasgow the other day with a tripod and
camera on its roof.

In article ,
AJH wrote:
On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 11:09:55 +0100, "Stuart Barrie"
wrote:

The Google car was driving about Glasgow the other day with a tripod
and camera on its roof.

I wonder if their number plate recognition database will be available
for the openweknowwhereyoulive.org scheme to supplement that being
gathered by users everywhere ;^)?

Just as an aside I visited the SavaCentre in Colliers Wood today (to use
the M&S, naturally ;-)) and they have number plate recognition on the
entrance and exit to the car park - your car number is flashed up with the
arrival/departure time. No arguing there if you overstay the allowed time.
Which is a generous 5 hours. Perhaps they're intending reducing the number
of checkouts in use even more.

--
*What boots up must come down *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 15 Aug, 15:17, AJH wrote:
On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:45:16 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"

wrote:
Just as an aside I visited the SavaCentre in Colliers Wood today (to use
the M&S, naturally ;-)) and they have number plate recognition on the
entrance and exit to the car park

This is what's happening on posh housing estates here, it takes you
back for the first time when you recognise that number in front of
you! They record the entry and exit times and store them. It doesn't
take too big a leap of imagination to see how this information and
that collected by the neighbourhood watch could be of interest,
possibly to divorce lawyers ;-).

AJH

As we're veering spectacularly off-topic, have a butcher's at this
stuff:
http://www.bella-dona.com/photoblocker/

Don't know if it works for for the systems described here though,
unless they flash.

John wrote in



They are from satellite above a certain height - then from and
aircraft - soon to be joined by street level ones taken by car
(already in the USA)

If you go to Google Oz, select Maps and choose Street View, you can
virtually walk any of the major cities. A bit impressive.

http://maps.google.com.au/maps?hl=en&tab=wl

--
PeterMcC
If you feel that any of the above is incorrect,
inappropriate or offensive in any way,
please ignore it and accept my apologies.

"Bob Martin" wrote in message
om...

I've been looking at this for ages and can't work out what it is.

http://tinyurl.com/5h8v9w

Tethered inflatable? Can't believe it's plane.


It's lens bloom from the hatchback car in the car park, gilders lol!

--
ThePunisher

"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message
ll.net...
On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:51:11 +0100, Andy Dee wrote:

Definitely not something on the ground as it has no shadow.

That I agree with.

It's a light aircraft at about 1500 feet.

This I don't if it was a genuine object why is there a band of pixels
along the top left edge so different? They should just blend from the
background to the forground.

I go for CCD overload and lens flare. If you look at the cars in the same
row and to the left of the center of the "mystery object" you'll see
smaller sun glints.

--
Cheers
Dave.

The pixels on the left had me wondering as well. I would say it is
reflection off a sun roof.

Adam

"Martin Pentreath" wrote in message
...


Don't know if it works for for the systems described here though,
unless they flash.

It doesn't work if they do flash so its irrelevant.

On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 17:52:38 +0100, "ThePunisher"
wrote:

"Bob Martin" wrote in message
. com...

I've been looking at this for ages and can't work out what it is.

http://tinyurl.com/5h8v9w

Tethered inflatable? Can't believe it's plane.


It's lens bloom from the hatchback car in the car park, gilders lol!

"gilders lol"

Is that some kind of hemiplegic disease affecting goldsmiths ;-) ?

Derek.

In message , Derek Geldard
writes
On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 17:52:38 +0100, "ThePunisher"
wrote:

"Bob Martin" wrote in message
.com...

I've been looking at this for ages and can't work out what it is.

http://tinyurl.com/5h8v9w

Tethered inflatable? Can't believe it's plane.


It's lens bloom from the hatchback car in the car park, gilders lol!

"gilders lol"

Is that some kind of hemiplegic disease affecting goldsmiths ;-) ?

More dutch elm, I would have thought
--
geoff

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "ThePunisher"
saying something like:

It's lens bloom from the hatchback car in the car park, gilders lol!

It's the sun shining out of your arsehole.
--
Dave
GS850x2 XS650 SE6a

"It's a moron working with power tools.
How much more suspenseful can you get?"
- House

In message , "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote
In article ,
AJH wrote:


Just as an aside I visited the SavaCentre in Colliers Wood today (to use
the M&S, naturally ;-)) and they have number plate recognition on the
entrance and exit to the car park - your car number is flashed up with the
arrival/departure time. No arguing there if you overstay the allowed time.
Which is a generous 5 hours. Perhaps they're intending reducing the number
of checkouts in use even more.


No system is perfect. It may recognise the number on the way in and not
on the way out hence your stay may be registered as more than 5 hours.
If it's free parking for 5 hours than a large charge, say, £100, for
overstaying your welcome expect a letter from a third party debt
collection company threatening to send the boys around

As for the Google image, If the photograph was being taking by a
satellite on a line by line basis as it was moving above the ground,
with a line being a single row of pixels vertically on the photo, and
the plane was flying in the same direction and close to the same
relative speed the image of the aircraft would be foreshortened. Take
an image of an aircraft cut it into strips, keep every 10th strip and
throw the rest away, re-assemble what you have left and you get the
image similar to that shown on Google, especially if the aircraft was
climbing or banking when the image was captured.
--

Alan
news2006 {at} amac {dot} f2s {dot} com

On 16/08/2008 08:31, Alan wrote:

As for the Google image, If the photograph was being taking by a
satellite

At the closest zoom google earth images are shot from a plane, not a
satellite, the furthest zoom is still taken from satellite images, at
some point in-between they seem to be assembled from a collage of
shrunken plane images.

Andy Burns wrote in


On 16/08/2008 08:31, Alan wrote:

As for the Google image, If the photograph was being taking by a
satellite

At the closest zoom google earth images are shot from a plane, not a
satellite, the furthest zoom is still taken from satellite images, at
some point in-between they seem to be assembled from a collage of
shrunken plane images.

That'll be it then: a shrunken plane image



--
PeterMcC
If you feel that any of the above is incorrect,
inappropriate or offensive in any way,
please ignore it and accept my apologies.

"Grimly Curmudgeon" wrote in message
...
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "ThePunisher"
saying something like:

It's lens bloom from the hatchback car in the car park, gilders lol!

It's the sun shining out of your arsehole.


And I thought that was the one place the sun doesn't shine, what's wrong,
feeling a bit of an idiot over your 'glider on a loop or dive' theory?
hahahaha!

--
ThePunisher

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "ThePunisher"
saying something like:

It's lens bloom from the hatchback car in the car park, gilders lol!

It's the sun shining out of your arsehole.


And I thought that was the one place the sun doesn't shine, what's wrong,
feeling a bit of an idiot over your 'glider on a loop or dive' theory?
hahahaha!

Lens bloom? Do you know what lens bloom is, **** of a thousand camels?
--
Dave
GS850x2 XS650 SE6a

"It's a moron working with power tools.
How much more suspenseful can you get?"
- House

On 17 Aug, 10:30, AJH wrote:
On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 00:50:14 +0100, dave wrote:
Well it looks (to me) like a windfarm er, windmill!

Having looked at the image now I looked at some I have taken at 2000
metres 1/800 second and they seem similar.

I considered the foreshortened airplane theory but don't know enough
about air traffic control to decide whether it is probable, I'd have
thought that was too close for comfort.

Using weknowwhereyoulive public domain number recognition software I
see there are faded numbers either side of the feature, 008???? on the
building with the strange ridge arrangement to the W and similarly
indistinguishable numbers on the SE corner of the building under the
feature.

Then looking at the car parking spaces and the slight difference in
angle of the cars under the feature my guess this is an artifact of
the orthogonal rectification which has torn at the seam where images
have been stitched, when I have stretched images to fit a grid I have
had similar effects but the software has given me the option of
morphing pixels from either side to avoid this effect.

AJH

It could be a distorted reflection of a large wing mirror.

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Alan
saying something like:

As for the Google image, If the photograph was being taking by a
satellite on a line by line basis as it was moving above the ground,
with a line being a single row of pixels vertically on the photo, and
the plane was flying in the same direction and close to the same
relative speed the image of the aircraft would be foreshortened. Take
an image of an aircraft cut it into strips, keep every 10th strip and
throw the rest away, re-assemble what you have left and you get the
image similar to that shown on Google, especially if the aircraft was
climbing or banking when the image was captured.

Careful, you'll have "The Selfabuser" after you for suggesting that,
when it's obviously 'lens bloom'. A very feasible explanation though, as
we can see the object is not symmetrical (ie, banking, turning) and is
definitely something airborne.
--
Dave
GS850x2 XS650 SE6a

"It's a moron working with power tools.
How much more suspenseful can you get?"
- House

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Ariadne
saying something like:

It could be a distorted reflection of a large wing mirror.

On what? A huge motorcycle?
--
Dave
GS850x2 XS650 SE6a

"It's a moron working with power tools.
How much more suspenseful can you get?"
- House

In message , Grimly Curmudgeon
writes
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Alan
saying something like:

As for the Google image, If the photograph was being taking by a
satellite on a line by line basis as it was moving above the ground,
with a line being a single row of pixels vertically on the photo, and
the plane was flying in the same direction and close to the same
relative speed the image of the aircraft would be foreshortened. Take
an image of an aircraft cut it into strips, keep every 10th strip and
throw the rest away, re-assemble what you have left and you get the
image similar to that shown on Google, especially if the aircraft was
climbing or banking when the image was captured.

Careful, you'll have "The Selfabuser" after you for suggesting that,
when it's obviously 'lens bloom'. A very feasible explanation though, as
we can see the object is not symmetrical (ie, banking, turning) and is
definitely something airborne.

it's an albino pterodactyl, anyone can see that
--
geoff

On Aug 16, 8:26*pm, Grimly Curmudgeon
wrote:
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "ThePunisher"
saying something like:

It's lens bloom from the hatchback car in the car park, gilders lol!

It's the sun shining out of your arsehole.

And I thought that was the one place the sun doesn't shine, what's wrong,
feeling a bit of an idiot over your 'glider on a loop or dive' theory?
hahahaha!

Lens bloom? Do you know what lens bloom is, **** of a thousand camels?
--
Dave
GS850x2 XS650 SE6a

"It's a moron working with power tools.
*How much more suspenseful can you get?"
*- House

Just noticed that we managed to get to about posting No. 36, in this
thread, before anyone started childishly insulting anyone else!
Personal insults are one the oldest and least successful tactics in
debating; i.e. throwing an insult or insults towards someone with whom
you have a difference of 'opinion'.
Not talking insulting action (Hitler walking into Poland, Russia into
Georgia etc.) here!
And here the insults are not even clever!
What's the next step? Perhaps; "You did", "No didn't", "Did too .....
"!!!!!
Terry

terry wrote in


On Aug 16, 8:26 pm, Grimly Curmudgeon
wrote:
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "ThePunisher"
saying something like:

It's lens bloom from the hatchback car in the car park, gilders
lol!

It's the sun shining out of your arsehole.

And I thought that was the one place the sun doesn't shine, what's
wrong, feeling a bit of an idiot over your 'glider on a loop or
dive' theory? hahahaha!

Lens bloom? Do you know what lens bloom is, **** of a thousand
camels? --
Dave
GS850x2 XS650 SE6a

"It's a moron working with power tools.
How much more suspenseful can you get?"
- House

Just noticed that we managed to get to about posting No. 36, in this
thread, before anyone started childishly insulting anyone else!
Personal insults are one the oldest and least successful tactics in
debating; i.e. throwing an insult or insults towards someone with whom
you have a difference of 'opinion'.
Not talking insulting action (Hitler walking into Poland, Russia into
Georgia etc.) here!
And here the insults are not even clever!
What's the next step? Perhaps; "You did", "No didn't", "Did too .....

He started it.

--
PeterMcC
If you feel that any of the above is incorrect,
inappropriate or offensive in any way,
please ignore it and accept my apologies.