How well do push fit fittings work (both the plastic and copper variants)?
Next project is to re-do our ensuite, new shower tray, shower, enclosure,
basin and toilet. Also, possibly move a radiator to the opposite wall and
replace with a towel rad. Would probably like a concealed shower head so
means removing parts of the wall to install the pipe work etc.

Would like to use push fit for ease and if I do anything wrong I can easily
disassemble and change it.

On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:10:01 +0100 someone who may be "slider"
wrote this:-

How well do push fit fittings work (both the plastic and copper variants)?

If they are used on properly prepared pipes they are adequate. Their
chief advantage is speed, so long as one doesn't have to sort out
the mess when one fails.

Being an old fashioned sort of person, soldered or compression
fittings are my personal preference.

Would like to use push fit for ease and if I do anything wrong I can easily
disassemble and change it.

Do you think you will do anything wrong? What sort of things do you
think you will do wrong?


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On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:10:01 +0100 someone who may be "slider"
wrote this:-

How well do push fit fittings work (both the plastic and copper variants)?

If they are used on properly prepared pipes they are adequate. Their
chief advantage is speed, so long as one doesn't have to sort out
the mess when one fails.

Being an old fashioned sort of person, soldered or compression
fittings are my personal preference.

Would like to use push fit for ease and if I do anything wrong I can
easily
disassemble and change it.

Do you think you will do anything wrong? What sort of things do you
think you will do wrong?


--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

Thanks for the reply.

Do you think you will do anything wrong? What sort of things do you
think you will do wrong?

Anything!!! lol

slider wrote:
How well do push fit fittings work (both the plastic and copper variants)?
Next project is to re-do our ensuite, new shower tray, shower, enclosure,
basin and toilet. Also, possibly move a radiator to the opposite wall and
replace with a towel rad. Would probably like a concealed shower head so
means removing parts of the wall to install the pipe work etc.

Would like to use push fit for ease and if I do anything wrong I can easily
disassemble and change it.


I have used a modest amount of Hep2O - and been very pleased with it.
Hepworth's website is full of excellent detail, description, technqiues,
products, etc. Even worth viewing their videos. Consider HepVO waste
"traps" - they too can be very useful.

1 Buy a proper plastic pipe cutter.
2 Buy the proper demounting tool for the system you choose.
2 Develop a technique that includes marking each joint as you put the
pipe insert into it - something as simple as a pencil mark will do. Make
sure you always use them.
3 Choose a system and stick with it for pipe and fittings.

Sometimes (e.g. shower fittings) push-fit is incorporated into the unit
as purchased. Obviously you are then rather stuck for that specific
connection. I had that when fitting the power shower - Hep2O pipe up to
that was fine.

You are supposed to use barrier pipe for central heating - there has
been much discussion over how important that is - not sure which way the
coin landed.

My main complaint is that any visible pipework tends not to look very
good. So you might end up wishing to use short pieces of copper or
chromed pipe for aesthetic reasons - e.g. the last few inches to the
radiator/towel rail.

In general, I would choose solvent weld connections for waste pipes.

--
Rod

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onset.
Although common it frequently goes undiagnosed.
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"slider" wrote in message ...
How well do push fit fittings work (both the plastic and copper variants)?
Next project is to re-do our ensuite, new shower tray, shower, enclosure,
basin and toilet. Also, possibly move a radiator to the opposite wall and
replace with a towel rad. Would probably like a concealed shower head so
means removing parts of the wall to install the pipe work etc.

Would like to use push fit for ease and if I do anything wrong I can
easily disassemble and change it.

Though I am far from a pro, and can only speak for my diy experience:

The marvellous thing for me, was, not so much the fittings themselves -
though these are truly remarkable - but the ability to just feed plastic
piping off a reel to whatever length one wants, and thread it under
floorboards amazingly easily. And, no danger of setting light to anything
whilst trying to heat up big joints in tight corners and under floors
(Usually no need for joints under floors at all: that is the BIG plus!)

The plastic joints are a bit bulkier than the copper or 'brass' ones, and
you have to make sure you have the right sized insert for the former as
there seem to be slight differences in the bores - between grey and white
pipe I've noticed.

So impressed with this new system that I started off needing to move one
radiator, and then did the lot while I was at it! All the bits - esp the
tubing reel - so cheap for what you are getting.

Particularly impressed with a couple of brass connectors on our bathroom
basin, which I did not fit: I have had the taps off, and changed a couple of
times, and have been very impressed that these joints slide on and off so
easily but never seem to leak at all. The contrast with the old nuts and
olives, and the hassle of getting spanners on them in tight spaces could not
be better demonstrated. Add to this the modern flexi tap connectors, and
you are in 'plumbing' heaven!

Do plan it all out first, as it is surprisingly easy to not notice exactly
how many joins; end stops; stop valves etc you are going to need until you
actually start putting it all together, and these fittings can be quite
expensive as one off's over the counter rather than bulk 'Screwfix' etc.

S

On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:43:19 +0100, David Hansen wrote:

Do you think you will do anything wrong? What sort of things do you
think you will do wrong?

That's a joke, right? Hmmm, let's do this wrong ...

Types which unscrew are easier to undo if you need to because with types
where you push in the locking collar and pull out the pipe you have to have
the pipe and fitting correctly aligned otherwise the pipe binds in the
fitting. Also you need to get both hands to the fitting to do so which can
be hard to reach. However with Hep2O and other unscrew-able fittings you
still have to fiddle to get the locking device off the pipe or even cut
off and fit a new grab ring. Speedfit are to my mind the best of both
worlds: you can unscrew the fitting if you need to, but then the various
components come off the pipe easily and can be replaced in the fitting
which can then be reused.

--
John Stumbles

Ohnosecond
Instant in time when you realise that you've just made a BIG mistake.

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"slider" wrote in message ...
How well do push fit fittings work (both the plastic and copper
variants)? Next project is to re-do our ensuite, new shower tray, shower,
enclosure, basin and toilet. Also, possibly move a radiator to the
opposite wall and replace with a towel rad. Would probably like a
concealed shower head so means removing parts of the wall to install the
pipe work etc.

Would like to use push fit for ease and if I do anything wrong I can
easily disassemble and change it.

Though I am far from a pro, and can only speak for my diy experience:

The marvellous thing for me, was, not so much the fittings themselves -
though these are truly remarkable - but the ability to just feed plastic
piping off a reel to whatever length one wants, and thread it under
floorboards amazingly easily. And, no danger of setting light to anything
whilst trying to heat up big joints in tight corners and under floors
(Usually no need for joints under floors at all: that is the BIG plus!)

The plastic joints are a bit bulkier than the copper or 'brass' ones, and
you have to make sure you have the right sized insert for the former as
there seem to be slight differences in the bores - between grey and white
pipe I've noticed.

So impressed with this new system that I started off needing to move one
radiator, and then did the lot while I was at it! All the bits - esp the
tubing reel - so cheap for what you are getting.

Particularly impressed with a couple of brass connectors on our bathroom
basin, which I did not fit: I have had the taps off, and changed a couple
of times, and have been very impressed that these joints slide on and off
so easily but never seem to leak at all. The contrast with the old nuts
and olives, and the hassle of getting spanners on them in tight spaces
could not be better demonstrated. Add to this the modern flexi tap
connectors, and you are in 'plumbing' heaven!

Do plan it all out first, as it is surprisingly easy to not notice exactly
how many joins; end stops; stop valves etc you are going to need until you
actually start putting it all together, and these fittings can be quite
expensive as one off's over the counter rather than bulk 'Screwfix' etc.

S



What product(s) did you use? Hep2O?