Sorry if this is not the right forum.....but I'm sure you'll have an
opinion

I'm selling a fireplace on Ebay and offered to deliver 'locally' for
£1 per mile.
Before the auction ends somebody has asked if I would deliver to her
address which is 15 miles away according to AA website so I thought I
would charge £15 , however a colleague has said I should charge £30 as
the full journey will be 30 miles.

Any thoughts?

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but I'm sure you'll have an
opinion

why?


I'm selling a fireplace on Ebay and offered to deliver 'locally' for
£1 per mile.
Before the auction ends somebody has asked if I would deliver to her
address which is 15 miles away according to AA website so I thought I
would charge £15 , however a colleague has said I should charge £30 as
the full journey will be 30 miles.

I think that would **** any buyer off most royally. Most people would
interpret GBP1/mile the way you did initially and suddenly doubling it
would be seen as profiteering.

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Si wrote:
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Sorry if this is not the right forum.....

crosspost to uk.people.consumers.ebay added

but I'm sure you'll have an
opinion

why?


I'm selling a fireplace on Ebay and offered to deliver 'locally' for
£1 per mile.
Before the auction ends somebody has asked if I would deliver to her
address which is 15 miles away according to AA website so I thought I
would charge £15 , however a colleague has said I should charge £30 as
the full journey will be 30 miles.

I think that would **** any buyer off most royally. Most people would
interpret GBP1/mile the way you did initially and suddenly doubling it
would be seen as profiteering.

I'd suggest that it depends on the value of the fireplace.

If it is a 1000GBP fireplace then I reckon 30 quid to deliver it is fair
enough. After all, if there is an accident on the way, the seller
carries the loss..as it probably won't be covered by any insurance at
that point.

If it is a 100GBP fireplace, then 15GBP is fair enough.. It is still
more per mile than the maximum that is allowed before it becomes taxable.

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On 30 Jan, 16:48, Palindrome wrote:
Si wrote:
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Sorry if this is not the right forum.....

crosspost to uk.people.consumers.ebay added

but I'm sure you'll have an
opinion

why?

I'm selling a fireplace on Ebay and offered to deliver 'locally' for
£1 per mile.
Before the auction ends somebody has asked if I would deliver to her
address which is 15 miles away according to AA website so I thought I
would charge £15 , however a colleague has said I should charge £30 as
the full journey will be 30 miles.

I think that would **** any buyer off most royally. Most people would
interpret GBP1/mile the way you did initially and suddenly doubling it
would be seen as profiteering.

I'd suggest that it depends on the value of the fireplace.

If it is a 1000GBP fireplace then I reckon 30 quid to deliver it is fair
enough. After all, if there is an accident on the way, the seller
carries the loss..as it probably won't be covered by any insurance at
that point.

If it is a 100GBP fireplace, then 15GBP is fair enough.. It is still
more per mile than the maximum that is allowed before it becomes taxable.

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"Taxable" in the sense of recovering mileage costs from your
employer. Though if you can demonstrate that your fuel /
maintenance / insurance costs are significantly more than the standard
figures used by HMRC then you can use higher figures (with their
agreement).

In this situation they are paying not just for your petrol /
maintenance / wear and tear (on the 15 mile journey!!), but also your
time and inconvenience in doing the trip too.

Matt

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On 30 Jan, 16:48, Palindrome wrote:



"Taxable" in the sense of recovering mileage costs from your
employer. Though if you can demonstrate that your fuel /
maintenance / insurance costs are significantly more than the standard
figures used by HMRC then you can use higher figures (with their
agreement).

HMRC have abolished this option.

In this situation they are paying not just for your petrol /
maintenance / wear and tear (on the 15 mile journey!!), but also your
time and inconvenience in doing the trip too.

How does that stop the money being taxable. Surely this is exactly what
'income' is, money paid to you for your time.

tim

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On 30 Jan, 16:48, Palindrome wrote:



"Taxable" in the sense of recovering mileage costs from your
employer. Though if you can demonstrate that your fuel /
maintenance / insurance costs are significantly more than the standard
figures used by HMRC then you can use higher figures (with their
agreement).

HMRC have abolished this option.


Correct. It went a couple of years back, iirc. Now a flat rate. Which also
applies to self employed claims for car costs.

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Palindrome wrote:


If it is a 100GBP fireplace, then 15GBP is fair enough.. It is still
more per mile than the maximum that is allowed before it becomes taxable.

??? If they were selling it as part of their trade, they would pay tax
on the profit they made in that year, with that particular sale being
part of it. The £15 would go onto sales along with the £100 for the
fireplace, and 30 miles would go down as an expense at whatever rate
they think they can get away with. If they are just selling some old
fireplace they don't want any more they wouldn't pay any tax on it at
all, even if they charged £100 a mile to deliver it.


Yep, you spout ******** on tax as well. You might want to check HMRC, old
son. There's a set rate for mileage expense these days.

On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 19:22:03 -0000, Fran wrote:

Yep, you spout ******** on tax as well. You might want to check HMRC,
old son. There's a set rate for mileage expense these days.

Cite from the HMR&C website please.

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On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 19:22:03 -0000, Fran wrote:

Yep, you spout ******** on tax as well. You might want to check HMRC,
old son. There's a set rate for mileage expense these days.

Cite from the HMR&C website please.

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/manuals/eimanual/EIM31240.htm

(my employer uses this as a base for payment)

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On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 19:22:03 -0000, Fran wrote:

Yep, you spout ******** on tax as well. You might want to check HMRC,
old son. There's a set rate for mileage expense these days.

Cite from the HMR&C website please.


It's 40 pence a mile. I did my tax return a few days back based on exactly
that.

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Palindrome wrote:


If it is a 100GBP fireplace, then 15GBP is fair enough.. It is still
more per mile than the maximum that is allowed before it becomes
taxable.

??? If they were selling it as part of their trade, they would pay tax
on the profit they made in that year, with that particular sale being
part of it. The £15 would go onto sales along with the £100 for the
fireplace, and 30 miles would go down as an expense at whatever rate
they think they can get away with. If they are just selling some old
fireplace they don't want any more they wouldn't pay any tax on it at
all, even if they charged £100 a mile to deliver it.


Yep, you spout ******** on tax as well. You might want to check HMRC, old
son. There's a set rate for mileage expense these days.


Which would only be relevant if it was sold as part of a trade. Even
then it wouldn't impose an upper limit on how much you can charge
someone for delivery. There isn't a set rate for mileage expenses
anyway, only a suggestion. Someone on a moped would get away with less
per mile than someone with a Chelsea Tank.

Palindrome said - rightly - that there is a maximum allowed as a mileage
expense before it is taxable. That maximum is forty pence per mile,
regardless of vehicle type. Over and above that, in theory, it is taxable.

Fran wrote:

Palindrome said - rightly - that there is a maximum allowed as a mileage
expense before it is taxable. That maximum is forty pence per mile,
regardless of vehicle type. Over and above that, in theory, it is taxable.

In this circumstance however you are not charging for mileage at all,
you are charging for delivery; which is a service you can price anyway
you like - an element of the cost of providing this service is indeed
the mileage cost, but what proportion of it is resultant from mileage
will depend on how you price your time and any other costs to be met
(packing materials etc).

The fact that you provided a mechanism to the buyer to allow them to pre
compute the cost of delivery is not relevant.

To the OP, I would suggest that your pricing would be likely interpreted
by a buyer as a total cost for the round trip - so a delivery at
distance of 15 miles would cost £15.


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Nonsense. If it wasn't a trade sale, and it wasn't bought specifically
to sell, there will be no tax. You don't pay tax when you sell your
own property. How much you charged for delivery would have no affect
on that. If it was a trade sale you would pay tax on your annual
profit.

I can see why you don't want anyone knowing who you really are. (That's
effect, not affect, btw.) Wrong on mileage. Also wrong on tax on personal
property. You are most certainly liable if you make a profit over the annual
limit - and the mileage has an impact on that accounting.

On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 23:40:59 +0000, Spacker wrote:

Nonsense. If it wasn't a trade sale, and it wasn't bought specifically
to sell, there will be no tax. You don't pay tax when you sell your
own property.

Incorrect. You pay tax on any gains. If you bought a watch for personal
use for £300 and sold it later for £500 you would be liable for tax on the
£200 difference. The chances are though that most things bought new and
later sold are not likely to be sold for more than you paid for them.

How much you charged for delivery would have no affect on that.

Any charge less actual costs is taxable.

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Spacker wrote:
Palindrome wrote:


Si wrote:
In message
,
writes
Sorry if this is not the right forum.....
crosspost to uk.people.consumers.ebay added

but I'm sure you'll have an
opinion
why?

I'm selling a fireplace on Ebay and offered to deliver 'locally' for
£1 per mile.
Before the auction ends somebody has asked if I would deliver to her
address which is 15 miles away according to AA website so I thought I
would charge £15 , however a colleague has said I should charge £30 as
the full journey will be 30 miles.

I think that would **** any buyer off most royally. Most people would
interpret GBP1/mile the way you did initially and suddenly doubling it
would be seen as profiteering.

I'd suggest that it depends on the value of the fireplace.

If it is a 1000GBP fireplace then I reckon 30 quid to deliver it is fair
enough. After all, if there is an accident on the way, the seller
carries the loss..as it probably won't be covered by any insurance at
that point.

If it is a 100GBP fireplace, then 15GBP is fair enough.. It is still
more per mile than the maximum that is allowed before it becomes taxable.

??? If they were selling it as part of their trade, they would pay tax
on the profit they made in that year, with that particular sale being
part of it. The £15 would go onto sales along with the £100 for the
fireplace, and 30 miles would go down as an expense at whatever rate
they think they can get away with. If they are just selling some old
fireplace they don't want any more they wouldn't pay any tax on it at
all, even if they charged £100 a mile to deliver it.


Sorry, badly expressed on my part. I was only trying to suggest that
about 50p a mile is roughly what is normally thought of as "actual cost"
rates for a non-commercial trip. Obviously it isn't an "actual cost"
rate for a business, which would also have to pay a salary to the
driver, etc. For a business, even 1GBP per mile for a single delivery,
is arguably too low.

50p a mile, on a non-commercial basis, seems fair enough to me. It's
about the rate that charities pay volunteers using their own vehicles on
charity business. However, when travelling on charity business, any and
all relevant equipment in the vehicle is insured by the charity -
whether it is their stuff or not.

In this case, it sounds like the fireplace will be carried at the
driver's risk. In which case, the driver should really insure it, if it
is valuable. And the purchaser should pay the insurance costs. 15GBP
sounds reasonable to me for that. If the driver self-insures and keeps
the 15GBP as a "premium", that sounds fair enough to me, too..

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"Si" $3o&m wrote in message
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Sorry if this is not the right forum.....

crosspost to uk.people.consumers.ebay added

but I'm sure you'll have an
opinion

why?


I'm selling a fireplace on Ebay and offered to deliver 'locally' for
£1 per mile.
Before the auction ends somebody has asked if I would deliver to her
address which is 15 miles away according to AA website so I thought I
would charge £15 , however a colleague has said I should charge £30 as
the full journey will be 30 miles.

I think that would **** any buyer off most royally. Most people would
interpret GBP1/mile the way you did initially and suddenly doubling it
would be seen as profiteering.


I'd disagree. I've delivered - although cheaper than £1 per mile - and no
one has ever argued with the round trip calculation.

Fran wrote:

I think that would **** any buyer off most royally. Most people would
interpret GBP1/mile the way you did initially and suddenly doubling it
would be seen as profiteering.


I'd disagree. I've delivered - although cheaper than £1 per mile - and no
one has ever argued with the round trip calculation.

Same here. I charge 60p/mile, each way. So 10 miles away is £12.


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Sorry if this is not the right forum.....but I'm sure you'll have an
opinion

I'm selling a fireplace on Ebay and offered to deliver 'locally' for
£1 per mile.
Before the auction ends somebody has asked if I would deliver to her
address which is 15 miles away according to AA website so I thought I
would charge £15 , however a colleague has said I should charge £30 as
the full journey will be 30 miles.

Any thoughts?

£15 total. What you do on the return journey is your business but no
concern of hers. You might even be carrying a return load as far as
she's concerned. Besides, £30 would be a trifle unreasonable for such
local delivery.

In uk.d-i-y, wrote:
I'm selling a fireplace on Ebay and offered to deliver 'locally' for
£1 per mile.
Before the auction ends somebody has asked if I would deliver to her
address which is 15 miles away according to AA website so I thought I
would charge £15 , however a colleague has said I should charge £30 as
the full journey will be 30 miles.

Any thoughts?

I'd ask for £15 in this instance. You obviously think it's a fair price,
and double that would presumably be excessive.

In any future auction it would be wise to make it clear that the cost is
for a one-way journey, so that you don't put off buyers who might think
like your colleague.

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On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 16:15:31 UTC, wrote:

Sorry if this is not the right forum.....but I'm sure you'll have an
opinion

I'm selling a fireplace on Ebay and offered to deliver 'locally' for
ú1 per mile.

I think the general understanding of such statements (which are fairly
common) is just the distance between supply and delivery points.

As such, since you said £1 per mile, it would be best to stick to the
common interpretatoion and charge £15. You can always up the rate in
future if you feel it's not enough.

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wrote:
Sorry if this is not the right forum.....but I'm sure you'll have an
opinion

I'm selling a fireplace on Ebay and offered to deliver 'locally' for
�1 per mile.
Before the auction ends somebody has asked if I would deliver to her
address which is 15 miles away according to AA website so I thought I
would charge �15 , however a colleague has said I should charge �30 as
the full journey will be 30 miles.

Any thoughts?

I reckon 50p a mile FULL TRIP is a fair crack frankly, for a private sale.

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I'm selling a fireplace on Ebay and offered to deliver 'locally' for
£1 per mile.
Before the auction ends somebody has asked if I would deliver to her
address which is 15 miles away according to AA website so I thought I
would charge £15 , however a colleague has said I should charge £30 as
the full journey will be 30 miles.

Any thoughts

You will get a better rating from the buyer for £15, which is what I am sure
she would expect, and you were happy with that before talking to your,
frankly profiteering, friend, so stick with it. If you think you should
charge for the round trip in future, make that clear in your advert.

Colin Bignell

wrote in message
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Sorry if this is not the right forum.....but I'm sure you'll have an
opinion

I'm selling a fireplace on Ebay and offered to deliver 'locally' for
£1 per mile.
Before the auction ends somebody has asked if I would deliver to her
address which is 15 miles away according to AA website so I thought I
would charge £15 , however a colleague has said I should charge £30 as
the full journey will be 30 miles.

Any thoughts?


You must have very little integrity to even consider this scam. You are not
delivering anything on the return journey.

mark

On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 19:13:59 +0000, mark wrote:

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Sorry if this is not the right forum.....but I'm sure you'll have an
opinion

I'm selling a fireplace on Ebay and offered to deliver 'locally' for £1
per mile.
Before the auction ends somebody has asked if I would deliver to her
address which is 15 miles away according to AA website so I thought I
would charge £15 , however a colleague has said I should charge £30 as
the full journey will be 30 miles.

Any thoughts?


You must have very little integrity to even consider this scam. You are
not delivering anything on the return journey.


But the sole reason for the journey - BOTH directions - is the delivery.
So why not charge for it?

£1/mile seems a bit steep - but if that's what it said before she rang
you, she's obviously happy enough with that rate.

On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 19:13:59 -0000, "mark"
wrote:


wrote in message
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Sorry if this is not the right forum.....but I'm sure you'll have an
opinion

I'm selling a fireplace on Ebay and offered to deliver 'locally' for
£1 per mile.
Before the auction ends somebody has asked if I would deliver to her
address which is 15 miles away according to AA website so I thought I
would charge £15 , however a colleague has said I should charge £30 as
the full journey will be 30 miles.

Any thoughts?


You must have very little integrity to even consider this scam. You are not
delivering anything on the return journey.


That really is garbage. Likely, the entire journey is undetaken for the sole
purpose of delivering the fireplace. IF the seller had other business, he MAY
choose to suggest he'll only charge half rate.

I know a guy who chauffeurs for a living and he's delighted if he can arrange a
return passenger because it's effectively double money.

wrote:
Sorry if this is not the right forum.....but I'm sure you'll have an
opinion

I'm selling a fireplace on Ebay and offered to deliver 'locally' for
£1 per mile.
Before the auction ends somebody has asked if I would deliver to her
address which is 15 miles away according to AA website so I thought I
would charge £15 , however a colleague has said I should charge £30 as
the full journey will be 30 miles.

Any thoughts?

At £5 per gallon for fuel, your £15 buys you 3 gallons. At say, 25mpg, you
get 75 miles worth of fuel for a 30 mile round trip. Now, if you're a
business and you want to charge for your time or whatever, fair enough. If
however, you're just a private individual who would be doing nothing special
with your time if you weren't delivering the fireplace, £15 is more than
adequate - £30 is a rip-off.

John

John wrote:
wrote:
Sorry if this is not the right forum.....but I'm sure you'll have an
opinion

I'm selling a fireplace on Ebay and offered to deliver 'locally' for
�1 per mile.
Before the auction ends somebody has asked if I would deliver to her
address which is 15 miles away according to AA website so I thought I
would charge �15 , however a colleague has said I should charge �30 as
the full journey will be 30 miles.

Any thoughts?

At �5 per gallon for fuel, your �15 buys you 3 gallons. At say, 25mpg, you
get 75 miles worth of fuel for a 30 mile round trip. Now, if you're a
business and you want to charge for your time or whatever, fair enough. If
however, you're just a private individual who would be doing nothing special
with your time if you weren't delivering the fireplace, �15 is more than
adequate - �30 is a rip-off.

John


Not really true. We did some calcs on this, and the *opportunity* cost
of a largish vehicle is about 30p a mile. that is taking all those
mileage related costs beyond fuel into account - tyres brake linings,
depreciation with mileage..