I'm trying to decide how best to renovate my 3 bed semi. Bathroom is on the
ground floor and not very big. At present there's the bath, knackered
boiler, sink and loo in there. The boiler needs replacing so a combi is
probably the best choice then I can also ditch the immersion tank upstairs
and the loft tanks. That removes a lot of pipework and makes more space. The
bath, sink and loo are also well past their best so they need to be changed
too.

I'm debating whether to just fit a nice shower and not bother replacing the
bath. Combis take so long to fill them anyway I believe unless you fit a
huge boiler. The space that saves could allow a bit of storage in the
bathroom, maybe a coat cupboard. Do people really want/need a bath installed
these days if there's also a shower?
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"Dave Baker" wrote in message
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I'm trying to decide how best to renovate my 3 bed semi. Bathroom is on
the ground floor and not very big. At present there's the bath, knackered
boiler, sink and loo in there. The boiler needs replacing so a combi is
probably the best choice then I can also ditch the immersion tank upstairs
and the loft tanks. That removes a lot of pipework and makes more space.
The bath, sink and loo are also well past their best so they need to be
changed too.

I'm debating whether to just fit a nice shower and not bother replacing
the bath. Combis take so long to fill them anyway I believe unless you fit
a huge boiler. The space that saves could allow a bit of storage in the
bathroom, maybe a coat cupboard. Do people really want/need a bath
installed these days if there's also a shower?

How many "people" will want a shower instead of a bath at your house then?

and what's the rush to get the bath filled? Just start filling have a cuppa,
take the dog for a walk and return to a nice hot tub of bubbly water
(Assuming you don't get caught in conversation in the pub while walking the
dog)

After a long day, maybe in the cold, feeling crap and covered in mud or
whatever wouldn't *you* like to soak in a nice warm bath with a glass of
whatever and relax?
or
Would standing up in a torrent of hot water droplets cascading over you
turning your skin into sandpaper as they bombard you with cold water as
someone else has turned on a hot tap in the kitchen be more preferable.

Now a "Coat Cupboard" in the bathroom would be very useful if you didn't
want to get wet in your new shower and put on a coat to keep warm and dry,
not to mention the wonderful smell of dampness in your clothes on the way to
work.

;-)

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"Dave Baker" writes:
I'm trying to decide how best to renovate my 3 bed semi. Bathroom is on the
ground floor and not very big. At present there's the bath, knackered
boiler, sink and loo in there. The boiler needs replacing so a combi is
probably the best choice then I can also ditch the immersion tank upstairs
and the loft tanks. That removes a lot of pipework and makes more space. The
bath, sink and loo are also well past their best so they need to be changed
too.

I'm debating whether to just fit a nice shower and not bother replacing the
bath. Combis take so long to fill them anyway I believe unless you fit a
huge boiler. The space that saves could allow a bit of storage in the
bathroom, maybe a coat cupboard. Do people really want/need a bath installed
these days if there's also a shower?

Whilst people probably use showers a lot more than baths,
not being able to have a bath at all would be a big negative
point against a property for me, and likely knock something
off the value of it. If that's not a concern for you, then
go ahead and do what suits you. (I don't think most people
care much about how long a bath takes to fill.)

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On 3 Jan 2008 09:25:23 GMT, Huge wrote:

On 2008-01-03, Andrew Gabriel wrote:

Whilst people probably use showers a lot more than baths,
not being able to have a bath at all would be a big negative
point against a property for me, and likely knock something
off the value of it. If that's not a concern for you, then
go ahead and do what suits you. (I don't think most people
care much about how long a bath takes to fill.)

And even if they do, they don't find out until they've already bought the house,
whereas they notice the absence of a bath while they're looking round.

Wasn't there a London borough who decreed no more baths in new build?
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Dave Baker wrote:

I'm debating whether to just fit a nice shower and not bother replacing the
bath. Combis take so long to fill them anyway I believe unless you fit a
huge boiler. The space that saves could allow a bit of storage in the
bathroom, maybe a coat cupboard. Do people really want/need a bath installed
these days if there's also a shower?

Are you planning to move soon? If not then do whatever suits you best.
However I expect many would consider the lack of a bath a downside. Even
if you usually have showers, there are times when a bath is handy.

The power output of the combi does not dictate its physical size either
- with many brands having a range of power outputs for each particular
model. So you could have a physically small boiler without having to
limit yourself to some under specced 24kW jobbie.


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"Dave Baker" wrote in message
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I'm trying to decide how best to renovate my 3 bed semi. Bathroom is on
the ground floor and not very big. At present there's the bath, knackered
boiler, sink and loo in there. The boiler needs replacing so a combi is
probably the best choice then I can also ditch the immersion tank upstairs
and the loft tanks. That removes a lot of pipework and makes more space.
The bath, sink and loo are also well past their best so they need to be
changed too.

I'm debating whether to just fit a nice shower and not bother replacing
the bath. Combis take so long to fill them anyway I believe

Well perhaps but not so fast as to trouble the overflow. Quite easy to come
to terms with as others have suggested. And the delivery finishes as hot as
it starts. I predict you will be more troubled by how long the combi takes
to deliver a sinkful of hot water to the furthest basin.

Jim A

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"Dave Baker" wrote in message
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I'm trying to decide how best to renovate my 3 bed semi. Bathroom is on
the ground floor and not very big. At present there's the bath, knackered
boiler, sink and loo in there. The boiler needs replacing so a combi is
probably the best choice then I can also ditch the immersion tank
upstairs and the loft tanks. That removes a lot of pipework and makes
more space. The bath, sink and loo are also well past their best so they
need to be changed too.

I'm debating whether to just fit a nice shower and not bother replacing
the bath. Combis take so long to fill them anyway I believe

Well perhaps but not so fast as to trouble the overflow. Quite easy to
come to terms with as others have suggested. And the delivery finishes as
hot as it starts. I predict you will be more troubled by how long the
combi takes to deliver a sinkful of hot water to the furthest basin.

If you already have an airing cupboard with a tank, and want a bath which
fills, and there will only be one or two of you, I think a thermal
store/plate heat exchanger system (as discussed in another thread) might be
a very attractive option. It will give high flow rates at mains pressure for
bath and shower and will go in as a package where the hot water tank
currently is and you can lose the loft tanks.

Advantages over combi: High flow, backup immersion heater if boiler has
fault

Disadvantages over combi: (Say) 2 baths full and an hour to recover typical,
whereas combi unlimited.

(Combis are great for teenagers, who seem to take infinite length showers
( )

See http://www.heatweb.com/ and select "Heat bank thermal stores" from
"products"


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Thanks for the opinions folks. The house will be sold when it's habitable
again so it's more about what a prospective purchaser wants than what I do.
Seems people like a bath to be fitted. It's certainly no trouble to just
replace the old one.
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Dave Baker
Puma Race Engines

On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 15:09:09 -0000, "Dave Baker" wrote:

Thanks for the opinions folks. The house will be sold when it's habitable
again so it's more about what a prospective purchaser wants than what I do.
Seems people like a bath to be fitted. It's certainly no trouble to just
replace the old one.

You are selling ?.....well in that case a bath is a must ...if folk
see no bath then I guess they'll have a quick look round and walk back
out the door . Fit a bath with an overbath shower ( or at least
install the plumbing so one can easily be fitted ) .

Stuart

Stuart B wrote in message
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On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 15:09:09 -0000, "Dave Baker" wrote:

Thanks for the opinions folks. The house will be sold when it's habitable
again so it's more about what a prospective purchaser wants than what I
do.
Seems people like a bath to be fitted. It's certainly no trouble to just
replace the old one.

You are selling ?.....well in that case a bath is a must ...if folk
see no bath then I guess they'll have a quick look round and walk back
out the door . Fit a bath with an overbath shower ( or at least
install the plumbing so one can easily be fitted ) .

I suppose the reason I asked is because last year I spent a month away from
home living in a small 2 bed terraced house that only had a shower, sink and
loo in its miniscule bathroom which from memory was slightly less than 6'
square. There certainly wasn't room for a bath. However I personally didn't
have a problem with that and just wondered if there was something better I
could do with the space here if I didn't replace mine during the refit.
Seems like a combined bath/shower is the best option though.
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Dave Baker
Puma Race Engines