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Wall heater, inductive or resistive load?
I have a 1KW panel heater that I'd like to control with a remote electronic thermostat. Thermostat switch contacts are rated 5A 250V resistive and 3.5A 250V inductive. Should I consider the heater a resistive or inductive load?? TIA |
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Wall heater, inductive or resistive load?
wrote in message ... I have a 1KW panel heater that I'd like to control with a remote electronic thermostat. Thermostat switch contacts are rated 5A 250V resistive and 3.5A 250V inductive. Should I consider the heater a resistive or inductive load?? TIA Its a resistive load but I'd guess that a 5A switch is not enough. Assuming 230 volts supply, the heater will draw 4 and a third amps Thats a bit close for me. I could and probably will be wrong fray |
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wrote: I have a 1KW panel heater that I'd like to control with a remote electronic thermostat. Thermostat switch contacts are rated 5A 250V resistive and 3.5A 250V inductive. Should I consider the heater a resistive or inductive load?? It's mainly resistive but like all heating elements and filament lights will have a much lower cold resistance than the hot one, so will draw more current than its working rating at switch on. Which I'd guess would be dangerously close to the thermostat's maximum. You could measure the cold resistance and work it out, though. -- *Can atheists get insurance for acts of God? * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Wall heater, inductive or resistive load?
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"Dave Plowman (News)" writes: In article , wrote: I have a 1KW panel heater that I'd like to control with a remote electronic thermostat. Thermostat switch contacts are rated 5A 250V resistive and 3.5A 250V inductive. Should I consider the heater a resistive or inductive load?? It's mainly resistive but like all heating elements and filament lights will have a much lower cold resistance than the hot one, so will draw more current than its working rating at switch on. Which I'd guess would be dangerously close to the thermostat's maximum. You could measure the cold resistance and work it out, though. Most heaters don't have any switch-on surge -- temperature coefficient of Nichrome is pretty near zero (as compared with tungsten anyway), and it's not normally heated through the same temperature change either. -- Andrew Gabriel [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup] |
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Wall heater, inductive or resistive load?
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Whew whatever happened to manufacturers putting 5A dc 3.5A ac on their switches. As for your heater its impedence depends on the manufacturing process some panel heaters have a punched strip (looks like a row of hairgrips on a plate) these have a lower impedence compared to the coil wound fan panel heaters. In any case i would recommend a 10 or 13A rated stat due to the start surge of the heater and the back EMF at switch off under load. HTH CJ |
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Wall heater, inductive or resistive load?
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writes Hi Whew whatever happened to manufacturers putting 5A dc 3.5A ac on their switches. As for your heater its impedence depends on the manufacturing process some panel heaters have a punched strip (looks like a row of hairgrips on a plate) these have a lower impedence compared to the coil wound fan panel heaters. In any case i would recommend a 10 or 13A rated stat due to the start surge of the heater and the back EMF at switch off under load. As Andy G points out there is no switch on surge and a quick fag packet calculation suggests the inductance of a 300 turn coiled, air cored element would be of the order of 500 microhenries so there's not really enough energy flying about to call up the inductive rating of the stat. It's nice to derate contacts by quite a bit to extend life but there's really no need to do overboard. 5A vs the nominal 4.35A is a little less margin than I'd like but this sounds like a Horstmann/Tower programmable stat so I wouldn't be expecting 20 years out of it in any case. -- fred Plusnet - I hope you like vanilla |
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Wall heater, inductive or resistive load?
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fred writes: It's nice to derate contacts by quite a bit to extend life but there's really no need to do overboard. 5A vs the nominal 4.35A is a little less margin than I'd like but this sounds like a Horstmann/Tower programmable stat so I wouldn't be expecting 20 years out of it in any case. Over 20 years ago, I bought a bathroom fan heater (Dimplex). Although it was set down to just 1kW (could be set to 1kW or 2kW at installation time), the integral pull cord switch burned out in about 3 months. I cleaned up the switch and fitted a small contactor into a cavity inside the heater which was for a shaver isolating transformer in a different heater model, with the switch operating just the contactor. It's been running fine ever since. Apart from the inadequate switch, it was very well built. -- Andrew Gabriel [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup] |
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Wall heater, inductive or resistive load?
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writes In article , fred writes: It's nice to derate contacts by quite a bit to extend life but there's really no need to do overboard. 5A vs the nominal 4.35A is a little less margin than I'd like but this sounds like a Horstmann/Tower programmable stat so I wouldn't be expecting 20 years out of it in any case. Over 20 years ago, I bought a bathroom fan heater (Dimplex). Although it was set down to just 1kW (could be set to 1kW or 2kW at installation time), the integral pull cord switch burned out in about 3 months. I cleaned up the switch and fitted a small contactor into a cavity inside the heater which was for a shaver isolating transformer in a different heater model, with the switch operating just the contactor. It's been running fine ever since. Apart from the inadequate switch, it was very well built. Fan motor - now that's a candidate for both inrush and back emf. -- fred Plusnet - I hope you like vanilla |
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