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My local council's trading standards dept operates a 'Fair Trader' scheme &
I've just been accredited as a member! http://www.medway.gov.uk/index/busin...fairtrader.htm Not that difficult to satisfy their standards TBH, I already did 90% of it anyway. According to several people I've met who are members it gets you a lot of business. Cost me £124 a year. You get to use the logo on your web site (CD supplied with images is absolute crap), get listed on the councils web site, you can use the logo on the van etc. Another opportunity to tuck up the punters :-) (Just joking). Don't know if these schemes run anywhere else in the country, might help some readers? -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk 01634 717930 07850 597257 |
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On 2007-12-02 01:10:05 +0000, "The Medway Handyman"
said: My local council's trading standards dept operates a 'Fair Trader' scheme & I've just been accredited as a member! http://www.medway.gov.uk/index/busin...fairtrader.htm Not that difficult to satisfy their standards TBH, I already did 90% of it anyway. According to several people I've met who are members it gets you a lot of business. Cost me £124 a year. You get to use the logo on your web site (CD supplied with images is absolute crap), get listed on the councils web site, you can use the logo on the van etc. Another opportunity to tuck up the punters :-) (Just joking). Don't know if these schemes run anywhere else in the country, might help some readers? Which section? Property Maintenance? Will Consider all Jobs? How do they check that you do what you say you will do, or what they think you will do? It is good that they are doing something proactive rather than sitting on their botties waiting for the complaints. I'm a bit bothered about Medway Council's motto, though. Serving you. |
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On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 01:10:05 GMT, "The Medway Handyman"
wrote: My local council's trading standards dept operates a 'Fair Trader' scheme & I've just been accredited as a member! OO well done. It's going in our area (Oldham) http://www.medway.gov.uk/index/busin...fairtrader.htm Not that difficult to satisfy their standards TBH, I already did 90% of it anyway. According to several people I've met who are members it gets you a lot of business. Cost me £124 a year. What are the standards? You get to use the logo on your web site (CD supplied with images is absolute crap), get listed on the councils web site, you can use the logo on the van etc. Another opportunity to tuck up the punters :-) (Just joking). Don't know if these schemes run anywhere else in the country, might help some readers? -- http://www.orderonlinepickupinstore.co.uk Ah fetch it yourself if you can't wait for delivery http://www.freedeliveryuk.co.uk Or get it delivered for free |
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Andy Hall wrote:
On 2007-12-02 01:10:05 +0000, "The Medway Handyman" said: My local council's trading standards dept operates a 'Fair Trader' scheme & I've just been accredited as a member! http://www.medway.gov.uk/index/busin...fairtrader.htm Not that difficult to satisfy their standards TBH, I already did 90% of it anyway. According to several people I've met who are members it gets you a lot of business. Cost me £124 a year. You get to use the logo on your web site (CD supplied with images is absolute crap), get listed on the councils web site, you can use the logo on the van etc. Another opportunity to tuck up the punters :-) (Just joking). Don't know if these schemes run anywhere else in the country, might help some readers? Which section? Property Maintenance? Will Consider all Jobs? Don't know yet - typical council they react with the speed of a ruptured ferret. I've asked for a handyman category. How do they check that you do what you say you will do, or what they think you will do? Little bloke comes around for an hour & asks questions. Things like customer records, pricing structures, complaints procedures etc. I think the main point is that they now know who you are and are able to react more efficiently in case of a complaint. They come back & audit you every year or can spot check whenever they want. My glazier mate told me that he had an unreasonable complaint about him, they looked into the circumstances & sided with him. They told the client he was being unreasonable. It is good that they are doing something proactive rather than sitting on their botties waiting for the complaints. I'm a bit bothered about Medway Council's motto, though. Serving you. They serve you parking tickets with amazing efficiently............ -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk 01634 717930 07850 597257 |
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Mogga wrote:
On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 01:10:05 GMT, "The Medway Handyman" wrote: My local council's trading standards dept operates a 'Fair Trader' scheme & I've just been accredited as a member! OO well done. It's going in our area (Oldham) http://www.medway.gov.uk/index/busin...fairtrader.htm Not that difficult to satisfy their standards TBH, I already did 90% of it anyway. According to several people I've met who are members it gets you a lot of business. Cost me £124 a year. What are the standards? I found it really simple. They just want to see your paperwork systems e.g. jobsheets, invoices, quotes etc. They ask if you are a member of any trade bodies, check your PL insurance. Nothing complicated. TBH the bloke they sent round was a plank. Badly in need of a personality transplant. I could have given him a load of bull**** & got away with it. They only tugged me on one thing, they insist on £2m PLI and I only had £1m. As I said though, I was doing most of the stuff they wanted anyway, most people probably are as well. -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk 01634 717930 07850 597257 |
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The Medway Handyman wrote:
My local council's trading standards dept operates a 'Fair Trader' scheme & I've just been accredited as a member! Does Fair Trader status permit you to carry on a policy of unsolicited commercial advertising to a DIY newsgroup? |
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On Sun, 2 Dec 2007 12:46:02 UTC, "The Medway Handyman"
wrote: I'm a bit bothered about Medway Council's motto, though. Serving you. They serve you parking tickets with amazing efficiently............ I liked the recent story about the bloke who was getting tickets on his van while working at a particular house. Cost effective solution: he hired a big skip (with door on one end) and got a legal skip permit from the council. Put it outside the house. Each morning, he arrived, opened the skip, and parked his van inside... -- The information contained in this post is copyright the poster, and specifically may not be published in, or used by http://www.diybanter.com |
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"The Medway Handyman" wrote in message . .. My local council's trading standards dept operates a 'Fair Trader' scheme & I've just been accredited as a member! http://www.medway.gov.uk/index/busin...fairtrader.htm Heh! you would consider the council as a good advertisment for your business? sheeesh liverpool city council couldn't organise a ****up in a brewery and as far as their housing workforce goes its the pits. whats yours like? |
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"The Medway Handyman" wrote in message . uk... Andy Hall wrote: On 2007-12-02 01:10:05 +0000, "The Medway Handyman" said: My local council's trading standards dept operates a 'Fair Trader' scheme & I've just been accredited as a member! http://www.medway.gov.uk/index/busin...fairtrader.htm Not that difficult to satisfy their standards TBH, I already did 90% of it anyway. According to several people I've met who are members it gets you a lot of business. Cost me £124 a year. You get to use the logo on your web site (CD supplied with images is absolute crap), get listed on the councils web site, you can use the logo on the van etc. Another opportunity to tuck up the punters :-) (Just joking). Don't know if these schemes run anywhere else in the country, might help some readers? Which section? Property Maintenance? Will Consider all Jobs? Don't know yet - typical council they react with the speed of a ruptured ferret. I've asked for a handyman category. How do they check that you do what you say you will do, or what they think you will do? Little bloke comes around for an hour & asks questions. Things like customer records, pricing structures, complaints procedures etc. I think the main point is that they now know who you are and are able to react more efficiently in case of a complaint. They come back & audit you every year or can spot check whenever they want. My glazier mate told me that he had an unreasonable complaint about him, they looked into the circumstances & sided with him. They told the client he was being unreasonable. As do Trading Standards if the tradesman is correct. Adam |
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On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 13:08:20 +0000, Steve Firth wrote:
Does Fair Trader status permit you to carry on a policy of unsolicited commercial advertising to a DIY newsgroup? You mean, like a council would _know_ what a newsgroup is? Personally I found this thread, with information on what it takes to get onto such a "fair trader" scheme and how much weight it carries from either the trader's[1] or their clients'[2] POV, quite useful. You may think TMF is a mouthy b*** but it seems clear to me that his posts are motivated by a wish to share the joys and woes of his working life with us rather than soliciting more business than he needs. [1] many of us on this group work for a living, and some of us do work which overlaps with what others do as DIY [2] not all DIYers are such fundamentalists that they do everything for themselves, so most of us employ tradespeople from time to time. -- John Stumbles Testiculate [v.t] To wave one's arms around while talking ********. |
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John Stumbles wrote:
You may think TMF is a mouthy b*** but it seems clear to me that his posts are motivated by a wish to share the joys and woes of his working life with us rather than soliciting more business than he needs. I don't think much one way or the other about Dave and his lifestyle choices. However his stealth advertising is out of place here. If others started to post thinly disguised business advertising it wouldn't be long before the general population started to complain. Just because someone is seen as OK, pleasant, friendly etc. is no reason to persuade them to continue to commit newsgroup abuse. Either that or declare a general amnesty and I'll start advertising my businesses here. |
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On 2 Dec, 13:10, "Bob Eager" wrote:
I liked the recent story about the bloke who was getting tickets on his van while working at a particular house. Cost effective solution: he hired a big skip (with door on one end) and got a legal skip permit from the council. Put it outside the house. Each morning, he arrived, opened the skip, and parked his van inside... An urban myth, I fear. He parked his van in the skip on the first day. On the second day he arrived to find the skip occupied a 3 sofas, a fridge, washing machine and several copies of Bravo Two Zero. |
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On Sun, 2 Dec 2007 20:31:52 +0000 Steve Firth wrote :
I don't think much one way or the other about Dave and his lifestyle choices. However his stealth advertising is out of place here. If others started to post thinly disguised business advertising it wouldn't be long before the general population started to complain. For 99% of us it isn't advertising because we're not in the Medway area. Or to put it another way, how many of uk.d-i-y's readership lives in the TMH catchment area - probably TMH only! Personally I appreciate Dave's contributions to the group: takes me back to when I was first self employed - a fellow BCO and I got so fed up with some of what we saw that we thought we couldn't fail to make a good living. We found out - as Dave often reminds us - that it's harder than it looks. -- Tony Bryer SDA UK 'Software to build on' http://www.sda.co.uk |
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writes Either that or declare a general amnesty and I'll start advertising my businesses here. In your 4 line sig', feel free. -- Si |
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Si $3o&m wrote:
In message , Steve Firth writes Either that or declare a general amnesty and I'll start advertising my businesses here. In your 4 line sig', feel free. Oh no, I'll be filling the group with lively anecdotes of my latest exploits. After all, that's the standard that "the group[1]" is willing to accept. [1] clique |
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Tony Bryer wrote:
Personally I appreciate Dave's contributions to the group Yes... I think you're rather making my point for me. It is similar to the situation when ucsm permitted on user to start prattling on about his computer business in the same way that Dave prattles on about his van and dungaree business. Then the same individuals got all hot under the collar when others started to spam the group. However where was the moral highground? They were simply being faced with more of what they had permitted. I have no beef with Dave, other than that his business experience has no place here. If he wants to rattle on elsewhere he's welcome, or if he's really keen he start up uk.getitdoneforyou or whatever he wants to call it. |
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John Stumbles wrote:
On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 13:08:20 +0000, Steve Firth wrote: Does Fair Trader status permit you to carry on a policy of unsolicited commercial advertising to a DIY newsgroup? Oh dear, it's that Firth man again. Missed your post because of my kill file. I'll type this very slowly Steve so you have a chance of understanding it. Lets examine the accusation of "a policy of unsolicited commercial advertising" shall we. I operate exclusively in the ME postcodes. Actually I don't operate in all of these postcodes, but whatever. Since to my knowledge none of the regular contributors to this group live anywhere near the ME postcodes, that wouldn't be a sensible "commercial advertising" policy now would it? If my assumption is incorrect, and unknown to me, many of the contributors do live in the ME postcodes, what would be the point of offering a handyman service to dedicated, knowledible, experienced DIY enthusiasts? You will now probably start a rant about me obtaining information for free from the group to use in a commercial activity. I plead guilty to that charge. I do ask many questions and gratefully receive answers from those more knowledible that I am in certain areas. However, those who reply to my posts do so willingly. The other side of the coin is where I use the information I have gained in the course of my commercial activity to help members of the group who are seeking information. Since I do more DIY in a month than some do in a year I hope my input is useful to some. Fair Trader status means I run my business properly with good intention. I doubt this reasoned reply will change your attitude, but I accept that's because you are simply a ****wit. -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk 01634 717930 07850 597257 |
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Steve Firth wrote:
Tony Bryer wrote: Personally I appreciate Dave's contributions to the group Thank you Tony. I've had to "un kill file" Mr Firth in order to answer this. Yes... I think you're rather making my point for me. It is similar to the situation when ucsm permitted on user to start prattling on about his computer business in the same way that Dave prattles on about his van and dungaree business. Then the same individuals got all hot under the collar when others started to spam the group. 'Van & dungaree business?" I don't recall ever spamming this group. However where was the moral highground? They were simply being faced with more of what they had permitted. I have no beef with Dave, other than that his business experience has no place here. If he wants to rattle on elsewhere he's welcome, or if he's really keen he start up uk.getitdoneforyou or whatever he wants to call it. You don't have a beef with me? I'd hate to get on the wrong side of you then....... -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk 01634 717930 07850 597257 |
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On Sun, 2 Dec 2007 20:31:52 +0000, (Steve Firth)
wrote: John Stumbles wrote: You may think TMF is a mouthy b*** but it seems clear to me that his posts are motivated by a wish to share the joys and woes of his working life with us rather than soliciting more business than he needs. I don't think much one way or the other about Dave and his lifestyle choices. However his stealth advertising is out of place here. Nonsense. There are plenty of professionals posting to their relevant forums with taglines and signatures that advertise their trade...myself included. In general such posters are welcome in their associated forums. If others started to post thinly disguised business advertising it wouldn't be long before the general population started to complain. Depends on how useful their posts were. Just because someone is seen as OK, pleasant, friendly etc. is no reason to persuade them to continue to commit newsgroup abuse. Because someone is helpful and knowledgeable it's a good idea to encourage such a resource to stick around. Either that or declare a general amnesty and I'll start advertising my businesses here. Go ahead....but bear in mind that when you do so, you associate your business with your posts...and that can work in more than one way.. Regards, -- Stephen Howard - Woodwind repairs & period restorations http://www.shwoodwind.co.uk Emails to: showard{who is at}shwoodwind{dot}co{dot}uk |
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The Medway Handyman wrote:
You don't have a beef with me? I'd hate to get on the wrong side of you then....... Ellipses have three dots, using more is a bad sign. And no you probably don't want to get on the wrong side of me. However your killfiling of me and your odd belie that I personally dislike you seems to be based on a bizarre idea that people should always agree on every subject in order to show how much they like each other. You're as capable, indeed slightly more capable, of being as big an arse as everybody and your stealth spamming is one example of your pratology. That doesn't meant that you can't be useful, informative or amusing in equal measure. It just means that you have developed a blind spot about one issue. The fact that you have killiled me or saying so point up your head in sand attitude. Although come to think of it didn't you maliciously fail to killfile[1] me because I was correct with malice aforethought when you were making another silly blunder? [1] Lets face it, you can't kill file anyone if you have Outlook Express, it's just not possible. |
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Stephen Howard wrote:
There are plenty of professionals posting to their relevant forums with taglines and signatures that advertise their trade...myself included. I that were all he were doing, I would not object. And "Nonsense" yourself. |
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The Medway Handyman wrote:
Since to my knowledge none of the regular contributors to this group live anywhere near the ME postcodes, that wouldn't be a sensible "commercial advertising" policy now would it? sigh I have no idea how successful your advertising is, but that doesn't mean it isn't advertising. I spent a few hundred on advertising in a trade journal, it produced no response at all although the same advert in another journal produced hundreds of leads. Does that mean the first advert wasn't an advert? BTW, don't presume to tell me what I will do. You're a fake mindreader, not a real one so don't get above yourself. |
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Steve Firth wrote:
The Medway Handyman wrote: You don't have a beef with me? I'd hate to get on the wrong side of you then....... Ellipses have three dots, using more is a bad sign. And no you probably don't want to get on the wrong side of me. However your killfiling of me and your odd belie that I personally dislike you seems to be based on a bizarre idea that people should always agree on every subject in order to show how much they like each other. You're as capable, indeed slightly more capable, of being as big an arse as everybody and your stealth spamming is one example of your pratology. That doesn't meant that you can't be useful, informative or amusing in equal measure. It just means that you have developed a blind spot about one issue. The fact that you have killiled me or saying so point up your head in sand attitude. Although come to think of it didn't you maliciously fail to killfile[1] me because I was correct with malice aforethought when you were making another silly blunder? Sorry you have lost me there - and probably everyone else on the group. I don't really understand that post at all. Could you elaborate on 'stealth spamming' please? Is matron off duty tonight? -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk 01634 717930 07850 597257 |
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Steve Firth wrote:
The Medway Handyman wrote: Since to my knowledge none of the regular contributors to this group live anywhere near the ME postcodes, that wouldn't be a sensible "commercial advertising" policy now would it? sigh I have no idea how successful your advertising is, but that doesn't mean it isn't advertising. I spent a few hundred on advertising in a trade journal, it produced no response at all although the same advert in another journal produced hundreds of leads. Does that mean the first advert wasn't an advert? My advertising is very successful thank you. I still have no idea what you mean. Would it be that advertising to people outside my area with no interest in my services is still advertising? In which case I'm even more confused. BTW, don't presume to tell me what I will do. You're a fake mindreader, not a real one so don't get above yourself. All mindreaders are fake Steve. Bad news, Father Chistmas & the Tooth Fairy are fake as well. Care in the Community clearly isnt working. -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk 01634 717930 07850 597257 |
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Steve Firth wrote:
Stephen Howard wrote: There are plenty of professionals posting to their relevant forums with taglines and signatures that advertise their trade...myself included. I that were all he were doing, I would not object. And "Nonsense" yourself. Please explain what else I'm doing Steve. Preferably when sober. -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk 01634 717930 07850 597257 |
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On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 00:02:48 +0000, (Steve Firth)
wrote: Stephen Howard wrote: There are plenty of professionals posting to their relevant forums with taglines and signatures that advertise their trade...myself included. I that were all he were doing, I would not object. What else is he doing then, aside from posting to a forum which is relevant to his trade? And "Nonsense" yourself. Hardly a refutation. You've pontificated, thrown out some accusations - now back them up. Regards, -- Stephen Howard - Woodwind repairs & period restorations http://www.shwoodwind.co.uk Emails to: showard{who is at}shwoodwind{dot}co{dot}uk |
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In message , The Medway
Handyman writes Steve Firth wrote: The Medway Handyman wrote: Since to my knowledge none of the regular contributors to this group live anywhere near the ME postcodes, that wouldn't be a sensible "commercial advertising" policy now would it? sigh I have no idea how successful your advertising is, but that doesn't mean it isn't advertising. I spent a few hundred on advertising in a trade journal, it produced no response at all although the same advert in another journal produced hundreds of leads. Does that mean the first advert wasn't an advert? My advertising is very successful thank you. I still have no idea what you mean. Would it be that advertising to people outside my area with no interest in my services is still advertising? In which case I'm even more confused. BTW, don't presume to tell me what I will do. You're a fake mindreader, not a real one so don't get above yourself. All mindreaders are fake Steve. Bad news, Father Chistmas & the Tooth Fairy are fake as well. You utter, utter ******* -- geoff |
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The Medway Handyman wrote:
Steve Firth wrote: Stephen Howard wrote: There are plenty of professionals posting to their relevant forums with taglines and signatures that advertise their trade...myself included. I that were all he were doing, I would not object. And "Nonsense" yourself. Please explain what else I'm doing Steve. Have you been asleep? You continually drag your tedious business into this newsgroup when it is, was and remains off-topic. I've lost count of the spurious excuses you find to mention your business. It happens at the drop of a hat, every few minutes that you start threads about your van with links to your website, moan about another handyman with links to your website. Post photos of jobs done by other people with links to yoru website. Start to bleat about something with links to your website. Generally mentioning that you happen to be a handyman again and again and again. In short any and every excuse to get your business mentioned. Preferably when sober. That was libellous, and beneath you. |
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The Medway Handyman wrote:
Care in the Community clearly isnt working. Because you are rattled about your cunning wheeze to mention your business every three minutes was rumbled, there's no need to descend to the gutter. |
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The Medway Handyman wrote:
Sorry you have lost me there - and probably everyone else on the group. I don't really understand that post at all. Could you elaborate on 'stealth spamming' please? Is matron off duty tonight? You came up with exactly the same remarks last time and seem to have cut and pasted them from a previous post. I see that once more, when your cage is rattled you can't wait to get into the gutter and start slinging the ****. |
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geoff wrote:
All mindreaders are fake Steve. Bad news, Father Chistmas & the Tooth Fairy are fake as well. You utter, utter ******* He's wrong anyway, I've seen the Tooth Fairy on TV, she's called Violet. |
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On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 00:24:00 UTC, "The Medway Handyman"
wrote: Steve Firth wrote: blind spot about one issue. The fact that you have killiled me or saying so point up your head in sand attitude. Although come to think of it didn't you maliciously fail to killfile[1] me because I was correct with malice aforethought when you were making another silly blunder? Sorry you have lost me there - and probably everyone else on the group. I don't really understand that post at all. I wish everyone would stop replying to Mr Firth - I've killfiled him too! (long ago) -- The information contained in this post is copyright the poster, and specifically may not be published in, or used by http://www.diybanter.com |
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writes The Medway Handyman wrote: You don't have a beef with me? I'd hate to get on the wrong side of you then....... Ellipses have three dots, using more is a bad sign. And no you probably don't want to get on the wrong side of me. However your killfiling of me I think that a lot of regular posters here have killfiled you -- geoff |
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Stephen Howard wrote:
On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 00:02:48 +0000, (Steve Firth) wrote: Stephen Howard wrote: There are plenty of professionals posting to their relevant forums with taglines and signatures that advertise their trade...myself included. I that were all he were doing, I would not object. What else is he doing then, aside from posting to a forum which is relevant to his trade? This "forum" is not relevant to his trade, it is a DIY newsgroup. Being a handyman is not DIY. It is DIFSE. And "Nonsense" yourself. Hardly a refutation. You've pontificated, thrown out some accusations - now back them up. Nonsense. BTW, you were the one who started with "Nonsense", if you don't like it as a response, then don't use it as one. |
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geoff wrote:
In message , Steve Firth writes The Medway Handyman wrote: You don't have a beef with me? I'd hate to get on the wrong side of you then....... Ellipses have three dots, using more is a bad sign. And no you probably don't want to get on the wrong side of me. However your killfiling of me I think that a lot of regular posters here have killfiled you And? Am I supposed to be interested in the content of their kill file? |
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On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 01:18:27 +0000, (Steve Firth)
wrote: Stephen Howard wrote: On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 00:02:48 +0000, (Steve Firth) wrote: Stephen Howard wrote: There are plenty of professionals posting to their relevant forums with taglines and signatures that advertise their trade...myself included. I that were all he were doing, I would not object. What else is he doing then, aside from posting to a forum which is relevant to his trade? This "forum" is not relevant to his trade, it is a DIY newsgroup. Being a handyman is not DIY. It is DIFSE. Well, when people embark on a DIY project they often start by seeking relevant information. That information often comes in the form of books and articles written by experts....likewise DIY television shows feature an expert. These experts are usually 'all-rounders'..you know, a spot of building, a bit of carpentry, a smidgeon of plumbing etc. In other words, a 'Handyman'. If you want to Do It Yourself there's no finer person to ask than someone who Does It All The Time - that's pure common-sense, and a policy I strongly encourage in my own craft. And "Nonsense" yourself. Hardly a refutation. You've pontificated, thrown out some accusations - now back them up. Nonsense. Ah, I see. From that response to a genuine request for information to back up your accusations ( viz 'I that were all he were doing, I would not object.' ) , and the, quite frankly, ridiculous assertion that DIYers shouldn't look to experts for advice, I see that I'm wasting my time. Never mind, I at least had the courtesy to offer you the opportunity to explain yourself. BTW, you were the one who started with "Nonsense", if you don't like it as a response, then don't use it as one. It doesn't bother me, I can at least back up my statements. I believe we're done here. Regards, -- Stephen Howard - Woodwind repairs & period restorations http://www.shwoodwind.co.uk Emails to: showard{who is at}shwoodwind{dot}co{dot}uk |
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In message , Steve Firth
writes Preferably when sober. That was libellous, and beneath you. He was probably up his ladder (fixing my guttering (I wish!)) at the time. -- Si |
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Handyman writes Care in the Community clearly isnt working. cough You're now heading into my area of expertise, Dave. Please don't use comments about mental health as insults. -- Si |
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writes Si $3o&m wrote: In message , Steve Firth writes Either that or declare a general amnesty and I'll start advertising my businesses here. In your 4 line sig', feel free. Oh no, I'll be filling the group with lively anecdotes of my latest exploits. After all, that's the standard that "the group[1]" is willing to accept. [1] clique Most of the time TMH's contributions are interesting and contribute to the knowledge flow of this group. If you followed that standard I for one would be content. -- Si |
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Stephen Howard wrote:
[snip] Ah, I see. From that response to a genuine request for information to back up your accusations ( viz 'I that were all he were doing, I would not object.' ) The answer to that was given in another post. Message-ID: Perhaps you should try reading the thread beore you start bleating? , and the, quite frankly, ridiculous assertion that DIYers shouldn't look to experts for advice, I have made no such assertion. Perhaps you would care to give the Message ID in which I made such a statement, or rather the one in which you think I made such a statement? I see that I'm wasting my time. You are if you are going to resort to making up statements that I have never uttered. Never mind, I at least had the courtesy to offer you the opportunity to explain yourself. No, you had the effrontery to start demanding that I "back up" my opinion about Dave's attempts to promote his business via this newsgroup, while responding to my posts with "Nonsense." BTW, you were the one who started with "Nonsense", if you don't like it as a response, then don't use it as one. It doesn't bother me, I can at least back up my statements. And yet you have not done so. I believe we're done here. Beleive what you like, all you have done is to show what a prima donna you are. |
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