I was thinking about s l o w l y converting my loft - trying to keep
costs to a minimum - first stage would be to get a proper floor in
there - i assume the only way is move some tiles and get a crane to
hoist some beams in from the front? i also assume you pay hansomely to
have these delivered (and the costs of the beams) any ideas on costs
and is there any other way to do it?

"405 TD Estate" wrote in message
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I was thinking about s l o w l y converting my loft - trying to keep
costs to a minimum - first stage would be to get a proper floor in
there - i assume the only way is move some tiles and get a crane to
hoist some beams in from the front? i also assume you pay hansomely to
have these delivered (and the costs of the beams) any ideas on costs
and is there any other way to do it?

Firstly you do not have to crane in steel beams at all. Secondly, get some
books on loft conversions and read them before doing anything. Fully
understand what has to be done, and that includes getting a mains pressure
water system too. If you need to have one of these, it may be worth your
while doing this first and leave pipes available in the correct locations
ready for the loft extension.

On 5 Nov, 09:16, 405 TD Estate wrote:
I was thinking about s l o w l y converting my loft - trying to keep
costs to a minimum - first stage would be to get a proper floor in
there - i assume the only way is move some tiles and get a crane to
hoist some beams in from the front? i also assume you pay hansomely to
have these delivered (and the costs of the beams) any ideas on costs
and is there any other way to do it?

See http://www.internode.co.uk/loft
Also lots of info on this newsgroup.
There is no magic requirement for steels. It depends on the design of
your house and the spans involved. If you have a central structural
spine wall (e.g. between front/back sitting rooms and bedrooms), you
can use this to support joists. However, if you have a modern terraced
house with no structural walls upstairs, steels may be the only
practical way of building the loft floor.
Also, no time limit (AFAIK) on finishing a building controlled job, so
you could start it, do the floor and finish it s l o w l y !
Simon.

Any recommendation on books?

405 TD Estate wrote:

I was thinking about s l o w l y converting my loft - trying to keep
costs to a minimum - first stage would be to get a proper floor in
there - i assume the only way is move some tiles and get a crane to
hoist some beams in from the front? i also assume you pay hansomely to
have these delivered (and the costs of the beams) any ideas on costs
and is there any other way to do it?

I dont know if beefing up whats already there might be an option,
using shorter pieces jointed after theyre in the loft. No crane then.


NT

On Nov 5, 9:54 am, "Doctor Drivel" wrote:
"405 TD Estate" wrote in ooglegroups.com...

I was thinking about s l o w l y converting my loft - trying to keep
costs to a minimum - first stage would be to get a proper floor in
there - i assume the only way is move some tiles and get a crane to
hoist some beams in from the front? i also assume you pay hansomely to
have these delivered (and the costs of the beams) any ideas on costs
and is there any other way to do it?

Firstly you do not have to crane in steel beams at all. Secondly, get some
books on loft conversions and read them before doing anything. Fully
understand what has to be done, and that includes getting a mains pressure
water system too.

What utter ********. Doing a loft in a way that satisfies building
regs does not require a mains pressure water system. You've really
lost it this time.

MBQ

On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 05:07:59 -0800 wrote :
I dont know if beefing up whats already there might be an option,
using shorter pieces jointed after theyre in the loft. No crane
then.

One option with steel beams is to have them cut and spliced,
typically three pieces. As the splice fabrication isn't cheap, most
contractors I have dealt with in the past prefer the crane option but
sometimes - trees, telephone wires etc - it's not possible.

--
Tony Bryer SDA UK 'Software to build on' http://www.sda.co.uk

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On Nov 5, 9:54 am, "Doctor Drivel" wrote:
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I was thinking about s l o w l y converting my loft - trying to keep
costs to a minimum - first stage would be to get a proper floor in
there - i assume the only way is move some tiles and get a crane to
hoist some beams in from the front? i also assume you pay hansomely to
have these delivered (and the costs of the beams) any ideas on costs
and is there any other way to do it?

Firstly you do not have to crane in steel beams at all. Secondly, get
some
books on loft conversions and read them before doing anything. Fully
understand what has to be done, and that includes getting a mains
pressure
water system too.

What utter ********. Doing a loft in a way that satisfies building
regs does not require a mains pressure water system. You've really
lost it this time.

Or he can fit tanks in the eves and have pumps - duh!!

"Tony Bryer" wrote in message
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On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 05:07:59 -0800 wrote :
I dont know if beefing up whats already there might be an option,
using shorter pieces jointed after theyre in the loft. No crane
then.

One option with steel beams

TGI "I" beams will do (Masonite). No need for over engineering a loft
conversion. TJI's are very light and one man can lift into place.

In article ews.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:
Firstly you do not have to crane in steel beams at all. Secondly, get
some books on loft conversions and read them before doing anything.
Fully understand what has to be done, and that includes getting a mains
pressure water system too. If you need to have one of these, it may be
worth your while doing this first and leave pipes available in the
correct locations ready for the loft extension.

Utter ******** as usual. You don't *have* to convert to mains pressure if
doing a loft conversion.

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
Tony Bryer wrote:
I dont know if beefing up whats already there might be an option,
using shorter pieces jointed after theyre in the loft. No crane
then.

One option with steel beams is to have them cut and spliced,
typically three pieces. As the splice fabrication isn't cheap, most
contractors I have dealt with in the past prefer the crane option but
sometimes - trees, telephone wires etc - it's not possible.

Across the road where the builders have been in for months they didn't
bother with a crane. Just plenty of Polish labour. ;-)

--
*I don't know what your problem is, but I'll bet it's hard to pronounce

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ews.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:
Firstly you do not have to crane in steel beams at all. Secondly, get
some books on loft conversions and read them before doing anything.
Fully understand what has to be done, and that includes getting a mains
pressure water system too. If you need to have one of these, it may be
worth your while doing this first and leave pipes available in the
correct locations ready for the loft extension.

Utter

Please eff off you are total idiot!

In article ews.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ews.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:

and that includes getting a mains pressure water system too.

Utter ********

Please eff off you are total idiot!

Please stop polluting newsgroups with your stupid views and get back into
treatment. It's not the end of the world that Dolphin sacked you for
incompetence. Just rare.

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ews.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ews.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:

and that includes getting a mains pressure water system too.

Utter ********

Please eff off you are total idiot!

Please

Please eff off you are total idiot!

Doctor Drivel wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ews.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ews.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:

and that includes getting a mains pressure water system too.

Utter ********

Please eff off you are total idiot!

Please

Please eff off you are total idiot!

I wonder if this character could be a turing test.


NT

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ews.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article
ews.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:

and that includes getting a mains pressure water system too.

Utter ********

Please eff off you are total idiot!

Please

Please eff off you are total idiot!

I wonder if this character could be a turing test.

Or a Tourette's Test ?
--
Dave Baker - Puma Race Engines

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ews.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article
ews.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:

and that includes getting a mains pressure water system too.

Utter ********

Please eff off you are total idiot!

Please

Please eff off you are total idiot!

I wonder if this character could be a turing test.

If he is, he failed.

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On Nov 5, 9:54 am, "Doctor Drivel" wrote:
"405 TD Estate" wrote in
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I was thinking about s l o w l y converting my loft - trying to keep
costs to a minimum - first stage would be to get a proper floor in
there - i assume the only way is move some tiles and get a crane to
hoist some beams in from the front? i also assume you pay hansomely to
have these delivered (and the costs of the beams) any ideas on costs
and is there any other way to do it?

Firstly you do not have to crane in steel beams at all. Secondly, get
some
books on loft conversions and read them before doing anything. Fully
understand what has to be done, and that includes getting a mains
pressure
water system too.

What utter ********. Doing a loft in a way that satisfies building
regs does not require a mains pressure water system. You've really
lost it this time.

Or he can fit tanks in the eves and have pumps - duh!!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

What doe he need a pump for, FFS? Hint: He has said nothing about
wanting a water supply in the converted loft so gravity will work just
fine, like it always has.

MBQ

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"Tony Bryer" wrote in message

...

On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 05:07:59 -0800 wrote :
I dont know if beefing up whats already there might be an option,
using shorter pieces jointed after theyre in the loft. No crane
then.

One option with steel beams

TGI "I" beams will do (Masonite). No need for over engineering a loft
conversion.

LOL! So what's changing all the plumbing unneccessarily, if not over-
engineering?

MBQ

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On Nov 5, 9:54 am, "Doctor Drivel" wrote:
"405 TD Estate" wrote in
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I was thinking about s l o w l y converting my loft - trying to keep
costs to a minimum - first stage would be to get a proper floor in
there - i assume the only way is move some tiles and get a crane to
hoist some beams in from the front? i also assume you pay hansomely
to
have these delivered (and the costs of the beams) any ideas on costs
and is there any other way to do it?

Firstly you do not have to crane in steel beams at all. Secondly, get
some
books on loft conversions and read them before doing anything. Fully
understand what has to be done, and that includes getting a mains
pressure
water system too.

What utter ********. Doing a loft in a way that satisfies building
regs does not require a mains pressure water system. You've really
lost it this time.

Or he can fit tanks in the eves and have pumps - duh!!

What doe he need a pump for, FFS?

You really don't know, do you?

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...

On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 05:07:59 -0800 wrote :
I dont know if beefing up whats already there might be an option,
using shorter pieces jointed after theyre in the loft. No crane
then.

One option with steel beams

TGI "I" beams will do (Masonite). No need for over engineering a loft
conversion.

LOL!

You are a plantpot!

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On Nov 5, 9:54 am, "Doctor Drivel" wrote:
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I was thinking about s l o w l y converting my loft - trying to keep
costs to a minimum - first stage would be to get a proper floor in
there - i assume the only way is move some tiles and get a crane to
hoist some beams in from the front? i also assume you pay hansomely
to
have these delivered (and the costs of the beams) any ideas on costs
and is there any other way to do it?

Firstly you do not have to crane in steel beams at all. Secondly, get
some
books on loft conversions and read them before doing anything. Fully
understand what has to be done, and that includes getting a mains
pressure
water system too.

What utter ********. Doing a loft in a way that satisfies building
regs does not require a mains pressure water system. You've really
lost it this time.

Or he can fit tanks in the eves and have pumps - duh!!

What doe he need a pump for, FFS?

You really don't know, do you?-

So tell me, if you think you know any better!

MBQ

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On Nov 5, 3:39 pm, "Doctor Drivel" wrote:
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On Nov 5, 9:54 am, "Doctor Drivel" wrote:
"405 TD Estate" wrote in
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I was thinking about s l o w l y converting my loft - trying to
keep
costs to a minimum - first stage would be to get a proper floor
in
there - i assume the only way is move some tiles and get a crane
to
hoist some beams in from the front? i also assume you pay
hansomely
to
have these delivered (and the costs of the beams) any ideas on
costs
and is there any other way to do it?

Firstly you do not have to crane in steel beams at all. Secondly,
get
some
books on loft conversions and read them before doing anything.
Fully
understand what has to be done, and that includes getting a mains
pressure
water system too.

What utter ********. Doing a loft in a way that satisfies building
regs does not require a mains pressure water system. You've really
lost it this time.

Or he can fit tanks in the eves and have pumps - duh!!

What doe he need a pump for, FFS?

You really don't know, do you?-

So tell me, if you think you know any better!

It is obvious I know a lot better.

Dave Baker wrote:
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Doctor Drivel wrote:

Please eff off you are total idiot!

I wonder if this character could be a turing test.

Or a Tourette's Test ?

heh

405 TD Estate wrote:

I was thinking about s l o w l y converting my loft - trying to keep
costs to a minimum - first stage would be to get a proper floor in
there - i assume the only way is move some tiles and get a crane to
hoist some beams in from the front? i also assume you pay hansomely to
have these delivered (and the costs of the beams) any ideas on costs
and is there any other way to do it?

FWIW there's always solid timber floors, no joists of any kind.
3" or more thick, and all pieces can be carried up through the hatch.


NT

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On Nov 5, 3:39 pm, "Doctor Drivel" wrote:
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On Nov 5, 9:54 am, "Doctor Drivel" wrote:
"405 TD Estate" wrote in
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I was thinking about s l o w l y converting my loft - trying to
keep
costs to a minimum - first stage would be to get a proper floor
in
there - i assume the only way is move some tiles and get a crane
to
hoist some beams in from the front? i also assume you pay
hansomely
to
have these delivered (and the costs of the beams) any ideas on
costs
and is there any other way to do it?

Firstly you do not have to crane in steel beams at all. Secondly,
get
some
books on loft conversions and read them before doing anything.
Fully
understand what has to be done, and that includes getting a mains
pressure
water system too.

What utter ********. Doing a loft in a way that satisfies building
regs does not require a mains pressure water system. You've really
lost it this time.

Or he can fit tanks in the eves and have pumps - duh!!

What doe he need a pump for, FFS?

You really don't know, do you?-

So tell me, if you think you know any better!

It is obvious I know a lot better.- Hide quoted text -

Unless you can come up with the goods, its obvious that you're a total
fraud.

I'll challenge you once more, tell me what he needs a pump for, given
that he mentions no requirement for plumbing in the converted loft.

I'll let others decide on your knowledge when you fail to answer the
question.

MBQ

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On Nov 5, 3:41 pm, "Doctor Drivel" wrote:
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On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 05:07:59 -0800 wrote :
I dont know if beefing up whats already there might be an option,
using shorter pieces jointed after theyre in the loft. No crane
then.

One option with steel beams

TGI "I" beams will do (Masonite). No need for over engineering a loft
conversion.

LOL! So what's changing all the plumbing unneccessarily, if
not over-engineering?

You are a plantpot!

Yet again, you are totally incapable of answering the question. You
need to go back in for an upgrade.

MBQ

In article om,
wrote:
So tell me, if you think you know any better!

It is obvious I know a lot better.- Hide quoted text -

Unless you can come up with the goods, its obvious that you're a total
fraud.

I'll challenge you once more, tell me what he needs a pump for, given
that he mentions no requirement for plumbing in the converted loft.

I'll let others decide on your knowledge when you fail to answer the
question.

You have to remember that dibble's actual plumbing experience consists of
plastic pipes and hacksaws. So the notion of providing a smooth run of
adequate size for low pressure supplies is totally beyond both his
understanding and capabilities. He gleans all his 'knowledge' off the net
and catalogues after all, and adverts are designed to sell equipment - not
show simpler ways.

Perhaps his hatred of header tanks dates from when his mother locked him
in the loft in an attempt to cure his tendency to talk rubbish. She
failed, of course.

--
*Never put off until tomorrow what you can avoid altogether *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Nov 7, 1:05 pm, "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:
In article om,
wrote:

So tell me, if you think you know any better!

It is obvious I know a lot better.- Hide quoted text -
Unless you can come up with the goods, its obvious that you're a total
fraud.
I'll challenge you once more, tell me what he needs a pump for, given
that he mentions no requirement for plumbing in the converted loft.
I'll let others decide on your knowledge when you fail to answer the
question.

You have to remember that dibble's actual plumbing experience consists of
plastic pipes and hacksaws.

Got it! The pump is for pumping out the flood water after his next
plumbing exploit. Thanks for clearing that up.

MBQ

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article om,
wrote:
So tell me, if you think you know any better!

It is obvious I know a lot better.- Hide quoted text -

Unless you can come up with the goods, its obvious that you're a total
fraud.

I'll challenge you once more, tell me what he needs a pump for, given
that he mentions no requirement for plumbing in the converted loft.

I'll let others decide on your knowledge when you fail to answer the
question.

You

You must eff off as you are a total idiot.

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On Nov 5, 9:54 am, "Doctor Drivel" wrote:
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I was thinking about s l o w l y converting my loft - trying to
keep
costs to a minimum - first stage would be to get a proper
floor
in
there - i assume the only way is move some tiles and get a
crane
to
hoist some beams in from the front? i also assume you pay
hansomely
to
have these delivered (and the costs of the beams) any ideas on
costs
and is there any other way to do it?

Firstly you do not have to crane in steel beams at all.
Secondly,
get
some
books on loft conversions and read them before doing anything.
Fully
understand what has to be done, and that includes getting a
mains
pressure
water system too.

What utter ********. Doing a loft in a way that satisfies
building
regs does not require a mains pressure water system. You've
really
lost it this time.

Or he can fit tanks in the eves and have pumps - duh!!

What doe he need a pump for, FFS?

You really don't know, do you?-

So tell me, if you think you know any better!

It is obvious I know a lot better.- Hide quoted text -

Unless you can come up with the
goods, its obvious that you're a total
fraud.

I'll challenge you once more, tell me what he needs a pump for, given
that he mentions no requirement for plumbing in the converted loft.

You really don't know, do you?

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On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 05:07:59 -0800 wrote :
I dont know if beefing up whats already there might be an option,
using shorter pieces jointed after theyre in the loft. No crane
then.

One option with steel beams

TGI "I" beams will do (Masonite). No need for over engineering a loft
conversion.

LOL! So what's changing all the plumbing unneccessarily, if
not over-engineering?

You are a plantpot!

Yet again,

You are still a plantpot!

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On Nov 5, 9:54 am, "Doctor Drivel" wrote:
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I was thinking about s l o w l y converting my loft - trying to
keep
costs to a minimum - first stage would be to get a proper
floor
in
there - i assume the only way is move some tiles and get a
crane
to
hoist some beams in from the front? i also assume you pay
hansomely
to
have these delivered (and the costs of the beams) any ideas on
costs
and is there any other way to do it?

Firstly you do not have to crane in steel beams at all.
Secondly,
get
some
books on loft conversions and read them before doing anything.
Fully
understand what has to be done, and that includes getting a
mains
pressure
water system too.

What utter ********. Doing a loft in a way that satisfies
building
regs does not require a mains pressure water system. You've
really
lost it this time.

Or he can fit tanks in the eves and have pumps - duh!!

What doe he need a pump for, FFS?

You really don't know, do you?-

So tell me, if you think you know any better!

It is obvious I know a lot better.- Hide quoted text -

Unless you can come up with the
goods, its obvious that you're a total
fraud.

I'll challenge you once more, tell me what he needs a pump for, given
that he mentions no requirement for plumbing in the converted loft.

You really don't know, do you?-

More than you ever will.

MBQ

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I was thinking about s l o w l y converting my loft - trying
to
keep
costs to a minimum - first stage would be to get a proper
floor
in
there - i assume the only way is move some tiles and get a
crane
to
hoist some beams in from the front? i also assume you pay
hansomely
to
have these delivered (and the costs of the beams) any ideas
on
costs
and is there any other way to do it?

Firstly you do not have to crane in steel beams at all.
Secondly,
get
some
books on loft conversions and read them before doing
anything.
Fully
understand what has to be done, and that includes getting a
mains
pressure
water system too.

What utter ********. Doing a loft in a way that satisfies
building
regs does not require a mains pressure water system. You've
really
lost it this time.

Or he can fit tanks in the eves and have pumps - duh!!

What doe he need a pump for, FFS?

You really don't know, do you?-

So tell me, if you think you know any better!

It is obvious I know a lot better.- Hide quoted text -

Unless you can come up with the
goods, its obvious that you're a total
fraud.

I'll challenge you once more, tell me what he needs a pump for, given
that he mentions no requirement for plumbing in the converted loft.

You really don't know, do you?-

More than you ever will.

I fully agree. You will "don't know" more than I ever will.

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On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 05:07:59 -0800 wrote :
I dont know if beefing up whats already there might be an option,
using shorter pieces jointed after theyre in the loft. No crane
then.

One option with steel beams

TGI "I" beams will do (Masonite). No need for over engineering a loft
conversion.

LOL! So what's changing all the plumbing unneccessarily, if
not over-engineering?

You are a plantpot!

Yet again,

You are still a plantpot!-

Please eff off as you are Tosspot!

MBQ

On Nov 7, 9:12 pm, "Doctor Drivel" wrote:
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On Nov 5, 9:54 am, "Doctor Drivel" wrote:
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I was thinking about s l o w l y converting my loft - trying
to
keep
costs to a minimum - first stage would be to get a proper
floor
in
there - i assume the only way is move some tiles and get a
crane
to
hoist some beams in from the front? i also assume you pay
hansomely
to
have these delivered (and the costs of the beams) any ideas
on
costs
and is there any other way to do it?

Firstly you do not have to crane in steel beams at all.
Secondly,
get
some
books on loft conversions and read them before doing
anything.
Fully
understand what has to be done, and that includes getting a
mains
pressure
water system too.

What utter ********. Doing a loft in a way that satisfies
building
regs does not require a mains pressure water system. You've
really
lost it this time.

Or he can fit tanks in the eves and have pumps - duh!!

What doe he need a pump for, FFS?

You really don't know, do you?-

So tell me, if you think you know any better!

It is obvious I know a lot better.- Hide quoted text -

Unless you can come up with the
goods, its obvious that you're a total
fraud.

I'll challenge you once more, tell me what he needs a pump for, given
that he mentions no requirement for plumbing in the converted loft.

You really don't know, do you?-

More than you ever will.

I fully agree.

Thought so.

MBQ

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On Nov 7, 9:12 pm, "Doctor Drivel" wrote:
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On Nov 7, 3:43 pm, "Doctor Drivel" wrote:
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On Nov 5, 9:54 am, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:
"405 TD Estate" wrote in
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I was thinking about s l o w l y converting my loft -
trying
to
keep
costs to a minimum - first stage would be to get a
proper
floor
in
there - i assume the only way is move some tiles and get
a
crane
to
hoist some beams in from the front? i also assume you
pay
hansomely
to
have these delivered (and the costs of the beams) any
ideas
on
costs
and is there any other way to do it?

Firstly you do not have to crane in steel beams at all.
Secondly,
get
some
books on loft conversions and read them before doing
anything.
Fully
understand what has to be done, and that includes getting
a
mains
pressure
water system too.

What utter ********. Doing a loft in a way that satisfies
building
regs does not require a mains pressure water system. You've
really
lost it this time.

Or he can fit tanks in the eves and have pumps - duh!!

What doe he need a pump for, FFS?

You really don't know, do you?-

So tell me, if you think you know any better!

It is obvious I know a lot better.- Hide quoted text -

Unless you can come up with the
goods, its obvious that you're a total
fraud.

I'll challenge you once more, tell me what he needs a pump for,
given
that he mentions no requirement for plumbing in the converted loft.

You really don't know, do you?-

More than you ever will.

I fully agree.

Thought so.

You are a plantpot.

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On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 05:07:59 -0800 wrote :
I dont know if beefing up whats already there might be an
option,
using shorter pieces jointed after theyre in the loft. No crane
then.

One option with steel beams

TGI "I" beams will do (Masonite). No need for over engineering a
loft
conversion.

LOL! So what's changing all the plumbing unneccessarily, if
not over-engineering?

You are a plantpot!

Yet again,

You are still a plantpot.

Please

You are still a plantpot.

On Nov 8, 10:30 pm, "Doctor Drivel" wrote:
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On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 05:07:59 -0800 wrote :
I dont know if beefing up whats already there might be an
option,
using shorter pieces jointed after theyre in the loft. No crane
then.

One option with steel beams

TGI "I" beams will do (Masonite). No need for over engineering a
loft
conversion.

LOL! So what's changing all the plumbing unneccessarily, if
not over-engineering?

You are a plantpot!

Yet again,

You are still a plantpot.

Please

You are still a plantpot.

You really must eff off as you are a total tosspot

MBQ

On Nov 8, 10:29 pm, "Doctor Drivel" wrote:
"Man at B&Q" wrote in oglegroups.com...





On Nov 7, 9:12 pm, "Doctor Drivel" wrote:
"Man at B&Q" wrote in
ooglegroups.com...

On Nov 7, 3:43 pm, "Doctor Drivel" wrote:
wrote in message

oups.com...

On Nov 6, 4:08 pm, "Doctor Drivel" wrote:
wrote in message

roups.com...

On Nov 6, 2:10 pm, "Doctor Drivel" wrote:
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roups.com...

On Nov 5, 3:39 pm, "Doctor Drivel" wrote:
wrote in message

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On Nov 5, 9:54 am, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:
"405 TD Estate" wrote in
ooglegroups.com...

I was thinking about s l o w l y converting my loft -
trying
to
keep
costs to a minimum - first stage would be to get a
proper
floor
in
there - i assume the only way is move some tiles and get
a
crane
to
hoist some beams in from the front? i also assume you
pay
hansomely
to
have these delivered (and the costs of the beams) any
ideas
on
costs
and is there any other way to do it?

Firstly you do not have to crane in steel beams at all.
Secondly,
get
some
books on loft conversions and read them before doing
anything.
Fully
understand what has to be done, and that includes getting
a
mains
pressure
water system too.

What utter ********. Doing a loft in a way that satisfies
building
regs does not require a mains pressure water system. You've
really
lost it this time.

Or he can fit tanks in the eves and have pumps - duh!!

What doe he need a pump for, FFS?

You really don't know, do you?-

So tell me, if you think you know any better!

It is obvious I know a lot better.- Hide quoted text -

Unless you can come up with the
goods, its obvious that you're a total
fraud.

I'll challenge you once more, tell me what he needs a pump for,
given
that he mentions no requirement for plumbing in the converted loft.

You really don't know, do you?-

More than you ever will.

I fully agree.

Thought so.

You are a plantpot.

Where I come from, that's a compliment.

MBQ