Was glazing the son's greenhouse. Got virtualy all the sheets up, second
to last big sheet (I swear blind I didn't knock it os drop it or
anything like that) shattered in my hands, it litelarly exploded, so all
the rest is done just this one hole, ah well (real ****er as everything
else went well just this one pane). Toughened glass too, "they"
advertise it as strong enough to support the "teams" weight [three
men],strongly suspest that there was some sort of flaw/stressor in the
pane and carrying it was enough to set of the explosion.

So if anyone has a sheet of 3mm Toughened glass 610 x 1197mm let me know
as Elite will supply it free but they want £25:00 delivery. Smile

In message , soup
writes
Was glazing the son's greenhouse. Got virtualy all the sheets up,
second to last big sheet (I swear blind I didn't knock it os drop it or
anything like that) shattered in my hands, it litelarly exploded, so
all the rest is done just this one hole, ah well (real ****er as
everything else went well just this one pane). Toughened glass too,
"they" advertise it as strong enough to support the "teams" weight
[three men],strongly suspest that there was some sort of flaw/stressor
in the pane and carrying it was enough to set of the explosion.

So if anyone has a sheet of 3mm Toughened glass 610 x 1197mm let me
know as Elite will supply it free but they want £25:00 delivery. Smile

I had not long finished building one here when a Mallard duck wandered
in and left by the most direct route:-(

3mm sounds a bit thin?

I do have some sheets of toughened glass, rescued when the local school
had new windows. Fair bit bigger than that though. Probably 1.5m x 1.5m
if anyone wants some free garden cloches.

regards

--
Tim Lamb

On 2007-10-31 17:42:25 +0000, soup said:

Was glazing the son's greenhouse. Got virtualy all the sheets up,
second to last big sheet (I swear blind I didn't knock it os drop it or
anything like that) shattered in my hands, it litelarly exploded, so
all the rest is done just this one hole, ah well (real ****er as
everything else went well just this one pane). Toughened glass too,
"they" advertise it as strong enough to support the "teams" weight
[three men],strongly suspest that there was some sort of flaw/stressor
in the pane and carrying it was enough to set of the explosion.

So if anyone has a sheet of 3mm Toughened glass 610 x 1197mm let me
know as Elite will supply it free but they want £25:00 delivery. Smile

This is unfortunately one of the things about toughened glass. Fine
across the surface, but catch the edge and ... bang!!

Given what you have, probably the cheapest way would be to go to a
local glass shop, get a piece cut and toughened. Then ask Elite for
a refund to that value. This seems to be something that greenhouse
suppliers tend to do because the major cost is in the shipping.

On 2007-10-31 18:38:27 +0000, Tim Lamb said:

In message , soup
writes
Was glazing the son's greenhouse. Got virtualy all the sheets up,
second to last big sheet (I swear blind I didn't knock it os drop it or
anything like that) shattered in my hands, it litelarly exploded, so
all the rest is done just this one hole, ah well (real ****er as
everything else went well just this one pane). Toughened glass too,
"they" advertise it as strong enough to support the "teams" weight
[three men],strongly suspest that there was some sort of flaw/stressor
in the pane and carrying it was enough to set of the explosion.

So if anyone has a sheet of 3mm Toughened glass 610 x 1197mm let me
know as Elite will supply it free but they want £25:00 delivery. Smile

I had not long finished building one here when a Mallard duck wandered
in and left by the most direct route:-(

3mm sounds a bit thin?

I do have some sheets of toughened glass, rescued when the local school
had new windows. Fair bit bigger than that though. Probably 1.5m x 1.5m
if anyone wants some free garden cloches.

regards

Unfortunately one can't cut toughened glass. It has to be cut and
worked and then toughened.

soup wrote:
Was glazing the son's greenhouse. Got virtualy all the sheets up, second
to last big sheet (I swear blind I didn't knock it os drop it or
anything like that) shattered in my hands, it litelarly exploded, so all
the rest is done just this one hole, ah well (real ****er as everything
else went well just this one pane). Toughened glass too, "they"
advertise it as strong enough to support the "teams" weight [three
men],strongly suspest that there was some sort of flaw/stressor in the
pane and carrying it was enough to set of the explosion.

Yeah same thing happened to me a few months ago when I was installing a
full length fixed light by the front door (as reported here at the
time!) I absolutely didn't knock it in any way, I was just standing
there holding it when it went off. Nearly pooped myself...

David

On Oct 31, 5:42 pm, soup wrote:
Was glazing the son's greenhouse. Got virtualy all the sheets up, second
to last big sheet (I swear blind I didn't knock it os drop it or
anything like that) shattered in my hands, it litelarly exploded, so all
the rest is done just this one hole, ah well (real ****er as everything
else went well just this one pane). Toughened glass too, "they"
advertise it as strong enough to support the "teams" weight [three
men],strongly suspest that there was some sort of flaw/stressor in the
pane and carrying it was enough to set of the explosion.

So if anyone has a sheet of 3mm Toughened glass 610 x 1197mm let me know
as Elite will supply it free but they want £25:00 delivery. Smile

Might have been a 'nickel sulphide inclusion':

http://www.glassonweb.com/articles/article/96/

Try a local firm that builds double glazed units, they will be able to
get toughened glass to order.

cheers,
Pete.

In article , Andy Hall wrote:

This is unfortunately one of the things about toughened glass. Fine
across the surface, but catch the edge and ... bang!!
Given what you have, probably the cheapest way would be to go to a
local glass shop, get a piece cut and toughened.

As a matter of interest: how is it toughened? I always thought that
toughened glass was some part of the alchemy that goes on back at the
manufacturing plant. You seem to say, Andy, that my local glass geezer
can toughen it.

John

[damn: what a strange word 'toughened' is: I've typed it three times
above and it's now one of those words that gets me thinking 'how the
hell does anyone ever learn English?']

jal wrote:

As a matter of interest: how is it toughened? I always thought that
toughened glass was some part of the alchemy that goes on back at the
manufacturing plant.


Basically it is heat treated "they" heat it to above its melting point
then rapidly cool the surface letting the innards cool in there own
sweettime this leads to the surface being under tension (makes it
stronger but if it breaks it "bursts" into a million (spot the
hyperbole)little fragments instead of big jaggy shards).
Toughened glass can be very strong (one pane supporting the weight
of many men) but scratch it or "hit" it with something sharp and "KABLOOIE"

On 2007-11-01 08:54:45 +0000, jal said:

In article , Andy Hall wrote:

This is unfortunately one of the things about toughened glass. Fine
across the surface, but catch the edge and ... bang!!
Given what you have, probably the cheapest way would be to go to a
local glass shop, get a piece cut and toughened.

As a matter of interest: how is it toughened? I always thought that
toughened glass was some part of the alchemy that goes on back at the
manufacturing plant. You seem to say, Andy, that my local glass geezer
can toughen it.

John

[damn: what a strange word 'toughened' is: I've typed it three times
above and it's now one of those words that gets me thinking 'how the
hell does anyone ever learn English?']

I have ordered toughened glass for doors for a vivarium in the past.
This involved cutting the pieces, rounding the edges and machining into
the surface to form "handles".

The local glass merchant did the cutting and machining work and then
sent the pieces to a place for the toughening heat treatment.

He told me that sometimes for more complicated things they just send
the entire order to a specialist place.

Whether you could find the specialist places with facilities themselves
and whether it would then be any cheaper, I don't know. I suspect
that they are trade organisations that don't deal with end punters.
At any rate, it wasn't obvious where such people were and I wasn't
going to spend half a day on it.

At this point, your max cost is £25, so if you can come in under that,
then fine. Otherwise it's a trade off between cost and time spent.

"jal" wrote in message
...
In article , Andy Hall wrote:

... it's now one of those words that gets me thinking 'how the
hell does anyone ever learn English?']

Try learning Icelandic ...

On Thu, 1 Nov 2007 12:08:30 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:


"jal" wrote in message
...
In article , Andy Hall wrote:

... it's now one of those words that gets me thinking 'how the
hell does anyone ever learn English?']

Try learning Icelandic ...

Icelandic is 99% phonetic, but that's the easy bit.


--
Regards, Paul Herber, Sandrila Ltd.
http://www.sandrila.co.uk/ http://www.pherber.com/

On Nov 1, 1:18 pm, Paul Herber
wrote:
On Thu, 1 Nov 2007 12:08:30 -0000, "Mary Fisher"

wrote:

"jal" wrote in message
...
In article , Andy Hall wrote:

... it's now one of those words that gets me thinking 'how the
hell does anyone ever learn English?']

Try learning Icelandic ...

Icelandic is 99% phonetic, but that's the easy bit.


it's not that phonetic: You have "ll" sometimes pronounced like "tl"
as in hellisandur and you have "f" sometimes pronounced like "p" as in
keflavik.

Robert

"RobertL" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Nov 1, 1:18 pm, Paul Herber
wrote:
On Thu, 1 Nov 2007 12:08:30 -0000, "Mary Fisher"

wrote:

"jal" wrote in message
...
In article , Andy Hall
wrote:

... it's now one of those words that gets me thinking 'how the
hell does anyone ever learn English?']

Try learning Icelandic ...

Icelandic is 99% phonetic, but that's the easy bit.


it's not that phonetic: You have "ll" sometimes pronounced like "tl"
as in hellisandur and you have "f" sometimes pronounced like "p" as in
keflavik.

It's phonetic as long as you know the values :-)

But as the man said, that's the easy bit.

Mary

jal wrote:
In article , Andy Hall wrote:

This is unfortunately one of the things about toughened glass. Fine
across the surface, but catch the edge and ... bang!!
Given what you have, probably the cheapest way would be to go to a
local glass shop, get a piece cut and toughened.

As a matter of interest: how is it toughened? I always thought that
toughened glass was some part of the alchemy that goes on back at the
manufacturing plant. You seem to say, Andy, that my local glass geezer
can toughen it.

John

[damn: what a strange word 'toughened' is: I've typed it three times
above and it's now one of those words that gets me thinking 'how the
hell does anyone ever learn English?']

Try:

"Rough-coated, dough-faced, thoughtful ploughman John Gough strode
through the streets of Loughborough; after falling into a slough on
Coughlin Road near the lough (dry due to drought), he coughed and
hiccoughed, then checked his horse's houghs and washed up in a trough".

David