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Another scumbag copying my site.
http://handyman365.net/index.htm
I suppose I should be flattered that this is the second company to steal my copy word for word......... Anything I can do? -- Dave The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk 01634 717930 07850 597257 |
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Another scumbag copying my site.
On Wed, 3 Oct 2007 21:33:43 +0100, "The Medway Handyman"
wrote: http://handyman365.net/index.htm I suppose I should be flattered that this is the second company to steal my copy word for word......... Anything I can do? Send a DMCA to google about them. Fax them and their hosting a breach of copyright notice and send them a bill per day for using your words. Fill in the small claims court papers and send them a copy giving them 48 hours to cease and desist using your content else you'll serve papers on them. You can do something with style sheets/divs to stop your text being as cut and pastey but they'll just save the page and rip it then (if thats not what they're already doing) so prob not worth the effort. -- http://www.orderonlinepickupinstore.co.uk Ah fetch it yourself if you can't wait for delivery http://www.freedeliveryuk.co.uk Or get it delivered for free |
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Another scumbag copying my site.
On Oct 3, 9:33 pm, "The Medway Handyman"
wrote: http://handyman365.net/index.htm I suppose I should be flattered that this is the second company to steal my copy word for word......... Anything I can do? -- Dave The Medway Handymanwww.medwayhandyman.co.uk 01634 717930 07850 597257 Bustards!!! Legally....can't help, sorry. Advertising wise, Promote yourself as the 'Original Medway Handyman' stating that you are so good that people are hitching a ride on your coat tails / reputation. As the 'Original and still the best' you can provide years of practical experience and support this with references. Reinforce the fact that you do not have to 'Copy people' etc etc I am sure there must be some legal / copyright redress, but I am only an Engineer so almost certainly wrong!!!! |
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Another scumbag copying my site.
"The Medway Handyman" wrote in message ... http://handyman365.net/index.htm I suppose I should be flattered that this is the second company to steal my copy word for word......... I don't really see the similarity. |
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Another scumbag copying my site.
OG wrote:
"The Medway Handyman" wrote in message ... http://handyman365.net/index.htm I suppose I should be flattered that this is the second company to steal my copy word for word......... I don't really see the similarity. Just one ecample; My site; Flat Pack Assembly is charged at our normal hourly rates, which makes us extremely competitive. You can keep the time & therefore cost down by making sure the boxes are in the room where they are to be assembled, and that we have a clear area to work in. Flat pack furniture varies in quality enormously. If you want advice before you purchase, please give us a call, we are not involved with any retailers and can be unbiased. The scumbags site; Flat Pack Assembly is charged at our normal hourly rates, which makes us extremely competitive. You can save time & so Save Money by putting the boxes in the room where they are to be built, and make sure that we have a clear area to work. Flat pack furniture varies in quality enormously. If you want FREE ADVICE before you purchase, please give us a call. (we’re not on a commission!) Clear enough for you? -- Dave The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk 01634 717930 07850 597257 |
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Mogga wrote:
On Wed, 3 Oct 2007 21:33:43 +0100, "The Medway Handyman" wrote: http://handyman365.net/index.htm I suppose I should be flattered that this is the second company to steal my copy word for word......... Anything I can do? Send a DMCA to google about them. Whats that? Fax them and their hosting a breach of copyright notice and send them a bill per day for using your words. I've e-mailed them with a notice of legal action. Fill in the small claims court papers and send them a copy giving them 48 hours to cease and desist using your content else you'll serve papers on them. Nice idea - thanks. -- Dave The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk 01634 717930 07850 597257 |
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Another scumbag copying my site.
"The Medway Handyman" wrote in message ... OG wrote: "The Medway Handyman" wrote in message ... http://handyman365.net/index.htm I suppose I should be flattered that this is the second company to steal my copy word for word......... I don't really see the similarity. Just one ecample; My site; Flat Pack Assembly is charged at our normal hourly rates, which makes us extremely competitive. You can keep the time & therefore cost down by making sure the boxes are in the room where they are to be assembled, and that we have a clear area to work in. Flat pack furniture varies in quality enormously. If you want advice before you purchase, please give us a call, we are not involved with any retailers and can be unbiased. The scumbags site; Flat Pack Assembly is charged at our normal hourly rates, which makes us extremely competitive. You can save time & so Save Money by putting the boxes in the room where they are to be built, and make sure that we have a clear area to work. Flat pack furniture varies in quality enormously. If you want FREE ADVICE before you purchase, please give us a call. (we're not on a commission!) Clear enough for you? to a certain value of 'word for word' I suppose; but I agree it's very close. |
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"The Medway Handyman" wrote in message ... http://handyman365.net/index.htm I suppose I should be flattered that this is the second company to steal my copy word for word......... Anything I can do? Buy 20 cheap SIM cards and use them to book the scum in for fictitious jobs. Kneecap them Get a mate who has got the clap (find a mate with the clap if you do not have one) and get him to sleep with scums daughter. Adam |
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The Medway Handyman wrote:
Mogga wrote: On Wed, 3 Oct 2007 21:33:43 +0100, "The Medway Handyman" wrote: http://handyman365.net/index.htm I suppose I should be flattered that this is the second company to steal my copy word for word......... Anything I can do? Send a DMCA to google about them. Whats that? Digital Millennium Copyright Act! |
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"The Medway Handyman" wrote in message ... Mogga wrote: On Wed, 3 Oct 2007 21:33:43 +0100, "The Medway Handyman" wrote: http://handyman365.net/index.htm I suppose I should be flattered that this is the second company to steal my copy word for word......... Anything I can do? Send a DMCA to google about them. Whats that? Digital Millimum Copyright Act. Though god knows what "sending one" means Fax them and their hosting a breach of copyright notice and send them a bill per day for using your words. I've e-mailed them with a notice of legal action. Fill in the small claims court papers and send them a copy giving them 48 hours to cease and desist using your content else you'll serve papers on them. Nice idea - thanks. ISTM that the similarity is not sufficient for you to win a case for compensation. So the guy has used similar section headings as you, but his list of things that he does is different. You work in a small area (by which I mean the type of work that you do). Anyone else working as a Handyman is going to have the same list of things that he does, as you do. You can't stop him from advertising this by copyrighting the format of a web page. tim |
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tim..... wrote:
ISTM that the similarity is not sufficient for you to win a case for compensation. So the guy has used similar section headings as you, but his list of things that he does is different. You work in a small area (by which I mean the type of work that you do). Anyone else working as a Handyman is going to have the same list of things that he does, as you do. You can't stop him from advertising this by copyrighting the format of a web page. I appreciate that, but some of the wording is actually identical. For example, my site; "Ever wanted a PC workstation, but couldn't find one to fit that alcove? Ever wanted a pergola for the garden but couldn't get the size you wanted? Or shelving that was either too big or too small?" The scumbags site; "Ever wanted a PC workstation, but couldn't find one to fit that alcove? Ever wanted a pergola for the garden but couldn't get the size you wanted? Or shelving that was either too big or too small?" Thats intellectual property theft in my book. *******. -- Dave The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk 01634 717930 07850 597257 |
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Another scumbag copying my site.
Mogga wrote:
Send a DMCA to google about them. Since the OP is not American, nor is the copyright infringer, nor is the site in question hosted by Google, that would be a waste of time. |
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The Medway Handyman wrote:
Thats intellectual property theft in my book. There's no such thing. It may be an infringement of your copyright, but it's not theft. Since this seems to be regular, you really need to consult a lawyer. You can send them a notice to desist, you can dress it up all fancy, but if they decide to stick two fingers up to you then you will need a lawyer to pursue them. |
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Another scumbag copying my site.
On Wed, 3 Oct 2007 21:33:43 +0100, "The Medway Handyman"
wrote: http://handyman365.net/index.htm I suppose I should be flattered that this is the second company to steal my copy word for word......... Anything I can do? I have looked at both sites - I am unsure what they have "copied" - can you give a bit more info. |
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Get a registered trademark.
Then, rather than your site having cut-and-paste-able text, your text could be incorporated into an image that contains a pale background of your logo/trademark - so the whole thing is a jpeg or gif image. If your trademark is registered with companies house, you may then have a straightforward case against rip-off merchants (i.e. by stealing even part of your trademark, they suggest some association with your business - so you can claim doing so could harm your business) Someone else may be able to give a proper explanation, but I believe the law is clearer-cut in relation to a registered trademark (otherwise it's only passing off, and more difficult to prove). See http://www.ipo.gov.uk/ - there's a big feature right on the front page as the law changed to improve trademark protection on Oct 1st. Explanation of the protection a registered trade mark gives you he http://www.ipo.gov.uk/protect/protec...benefit-tm.htm (once the front page link disappers, see http://www.ipo.gov.uk/press/press-re...e-20071001.htm ) |
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On Thu, 4 Oct 2007 03:57:32 UTC, harry wrote:
On Wed, 3 Oct 2007 21:33:43 +0100, "The Medway Handyman" wrote: http://handyman365.net/index.htm I suppose I should be flattered that this is the second company to steal my copy word for word......... Anything I can do? I have looked at both sites - I am unsure what they have "copied" - can you give a bit more info. Pick an activity (e.g. flat pack assembly). Then compare the text in each case. -- The information contained in this post is copyright the poster, and specifically may not be published in, or used by http://www.diybanter.com |
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On Wed, 3 Oct 2007 23:47:02 +0100, "tim....."
wrote: "The Medway Handyman" wrote in message ... Mogga wrote: On Wed, 3 Oct 2007 21:33:43 +0100, "The Medway Handyman" wrote: http://handyman365.net/index.htm I suppose I should be flattered that this is the second company to steal my copy word for word......... Anything I can do? Send a DMCA to google about them. Whats that? Digital Millimum Copyright Act. Though god knows what "sending one" means Google has some info on what info they want. If they're copying your site word for word google might see one of them as a duplicate and you need to make sure it's not yours. http://www.google.com/dmca.html Fax them and their hosting a breach of copyright notice and send them a bill per day for using your words. I've e-mailed them with a notice of legal action. Fill in the small claims court papers and send them a copy giving them 48 hours to cease and desist using your content else you'll serve papers on them. Nice idea - thanks. ISTM that the similarity is not sufficient for you to win a case for compensation. So the guy has used similar section headings as you, but his list of things that he does is different. You work in a small area (by which I mean the type of work that you do). Anyone else working as a Handyman is going to have the same list of things that he does, as you do. You can't stop him from advertising this by copyrighting the format of a web page. tim -- http://www.orderonlinepickupinstore.co.uk Ah fetch it yourself if you can't wait for delivery http://www.freedeliveryuk.co.uk Or get it delivered for free |
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On Thu, 4 Oct 2007 00:22:08 +0100, (Steve Firth)
wrote: Mogga wrote: Send a DMCA to google about them. Since the OP is not American, nor is the copyright infringer, nor is the site in question hosted by Google, that would be a waste of time. If google kills off the OP site because it thinks its a copy of the new one then he's in google-trouble which needs sorting out. -- http://www.orderonlinepickupinstore.co.uk Ah fetch it yourself if you can't wait for delivery http://www.freedeliveryuk.co.uk Or get it delivered for free |
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Mogga wrote:
On Thu, 4 Oct 2007 00:22:08 +0100, (Steve Firth) wrote: Mogga wrote: Send a DMCA to google about them. Since the OP is not American, nor is the copyright infringer, nor is the site in question hosted by Google, that would be a waste of time. If google kills off the OP site because it thinks its a copy of the new one then he's in google-trouble which needs sorting out. Google has no cause to do so, as far as I can see. You're ignoring the "not American" part above, and I suspect you haven't read Google's rules about DMCA notices. |
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On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 21:33:43 +0100, The Medway Handyman wrote:
http://handyman365.net/index.htm I suppose I should be flattered that this is the second company to steal my copy word for word......... Anything I can do? ================================== You could ignore him / them because you can't prevent legitimate competition. His / their actual trading name is sufficiently different from yours to obviate the possibility of confusing your customers, potential or actual. If you genuinely feel threatened you might contact your local Trading Standards to ask them to query this item on your behalf: "Handyman365.net carry out building repairs, maintenance & home improvements using experienced local tradesmen. We have business and domestic clients throughout North Kent." The name with *365* highlighted suggests that he / they are on permanent standby and *tradesmen* suggests a properly trained and qualified person - several in this case. Both seem a little improbable, although not impossible. Cic. -- =================================== Using Ubuntu Linux Windows shown the door =================================== |
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On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 09:33:16 +0000, Huge wrote:
On 2007-10-03, Mogga wrote: Fill in the small claims court papers All online now; https://www.moneyclaim.gov.uk/csmco2/index.jsp Works a treat. ================================== But check the costs - they're not cheap anymore. Cic. -- =================================== Using Ubuntu Linux Windows shown the door =================================== |
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On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 08:59:26 +0100, Andy Burns
wrote: On 04/10/2007 07:29, wrote: Then, rather than your site having cut-and-paste-able text, your text could be incorporated into an image that contains a pale background of your logo/trademark - so the whole thing is a jpeg or gif image. Which then looks like (or is) amateurish web design, not to mention causing DDA issues. what DDA issues? |
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On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 10:33:12 +0000, Huge wrote:
On 2007-10-04, Cicero wrote: On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 09:33:16 +0000, Huge wrote: On 2007-10-03, Mogga wrote: Fill in the small claims court papers All online now; https://www.moneyclaim.gov.uk/csmco2/index.jsp Works a treat. ================================== But check the costs - they're not cheap anymore. You get the costs back from the other side, assuming you win. (Where are the fees outlined? I cannot find them on the web site.) =================================== I didn't check the web page for costs because I got them in a leaflet from the court in the information pack they supply. However, I think you'll find the information he http://www.hmcourts-service.gov.uk/i...fees/index.htm Cic. -- =================================== Using Ubuntu Linux Windows shown the door =================================== |
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Another scumbag copying my site.
"The Medway Handyman" wrote in message ... http://handyman365.net/index.htm I suppose I should be flattered that this is the second company to steal my copy word for word......... Anything I can do? -- Dave The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk 01634 717930 07850 597257 Perhaps Trading Standards could advise. mark |
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"The Medway Handyman" wrote in message ... tim..... wrote: ISTM that the similarity is not sufficient for you to win a case for compensation. So the guy has used similar section headings as you, but his list of things that he does is different. You work in a small area (by which I mean the type of work that you do). Anyone else working as a Handyman is going to have the same list of things that he does, as you do. You can't stop him from advertising this by copyrighting the format of a web page. I appreciate that, but some of the wording is actually identical. For example, my site; "Ever wanted a PC workstation, but couldn't find one to fit that alcove? Ever wanted a pergola for the garden but couldn't get the size you wanted? Or shelving that was either too big or too small?" The scumbags site; "Ever wanted a PC workstation, but couldn't find one to fit that alcove? Ever wanted a pergola for the garden but couldn't get the size you wanted? Or shelving that was either too big or too small?" I'm inclined to agree that the guy (I presume) has been a bit of a **** in copying the words at this level. (Especially as, without the necessary links for search engines, no-one will find it unless they are already comitted to doing it) And on that basis (that he's a ****), I doubt that he will take much notice of any complaint. tim |
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"Mogga" wrote in message news On Thu, 4 Oct 2007 00:22:08 +0100, (Steve Firth) wrote: Mogga wrote: Send a DMCA to google about them. Since the OP is not American, nor is the copyright infringer, nor is the site in question hosted by Google, that would be a waste of time. If google kills off the OP site because it thinks its a copy of the How can google kill off a site? Do you mean "not provide any like to it"? Problem solved, it doesn't find it anyway (probably because the author is numpty and has no idea that he needs to do things to make his site search engine visable) (I note that I can find Dave's site via google) tim |
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"Huge" wrote in message ... On 2007-10-03, Mogga wrote: Fill in the small claims court papers All online now; https://www.moneyclaim.gov.uk/csmco2/index.jsp A claim via the small claims track can only provide a monetary remedy. I think that this would take more of Dave's time in pursuing than he would get back. tim |
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"judith" wrote in message ... On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 08:59:26 +0100, Andy Burns wrote: On 04/10/2007 07:29, wrote: Then, rather than your site having cut-and-paste-able text, your text could be incorporated into an image that contains a pale background of your logo/trademark - so the whole thing is a jpeg or gif image. Which then looks like (or is) amateurish web design, not to mention causing DDA issues. what DDA issues? It will make the site unreadable by blind people. (can you work out why or do I need explain more?) tim |
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On Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:29:05 +0100, "tim....."
wrote: "Mogga" wrote in message news On Thu, 4 Oct 2007 00:22:08 +0100, (Steve Firth) wrote: Mogga wrote: Send a DMCA to google about them. Since the OP is not American, nor is the copyright infringer, nor is the site in question hosted by Google, that would be a waste of time. If google kills off the OP site because it thinks its a copy of the How can google kill off a site? Do you mean "not provide any like to it"? Yup in theory they can drop it from the index. There are all sorts of problems that can happen from duplicate content being scraped onto scraper sites which can then confuse google and then the problems can really start. Problem solved, it doesn't find it anyway (probably because the author is numpty and has no idea that he needs to do things to make his site search engine visable) But he might get cleverer. (I note that I can find Dave's site via google) tim -- http://www.orderonlinepickupinstore.co.uk Ah fetch it yourself if you can't wait for delivery http://www.freedeliveryuk.co.uk Or get it delivered for free |
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tim..... wrote:
"Huge" wrote in message ... On 2007-10-03, Mogga wrote: Fill in the small claims court papers All online now; https://www.moneyclaim.gov.uk/csmco2/index.jsp A claim via the small claims track can only provide a monetary remedy. I think that this would take more of Dave's time in pursuing than he would get back. tim Wouldn't he in any case have to prove a monetary loss? A long term solution might be to rewrite the site with specific references throughout such that copying it is no longer feasible. Not quite "Laying Patios - At 16 Acacia Avenue...." but that sort of thing. Andrew |
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On Wed, 3 Oct 2007 21:33:43 +0100, "The Medway Handyman"
wrote: http://handyman365.net/index.htm I suppose I should be flattered that this is the second company to steal my copy word for word......... Anything I can do? http://www.copyscape.com/ You can use this site to check for copy issues. -- http://www.orderonlinepickupinstore.co.uk Ah fetch it yourself if you can't wait for delivery http://www.freedeliveryuk.co.uk Or get it delivered for free |
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"Andrew May" wrote in message ... tim..... wrote: "Huge" wrote in message ... On 2007-10-03, Mogga wrote: Fill in the small claims court papers All online now; https://www.moneyclaim.gov.uk/csmco2/index.jsp A claim via the small claims track can only provide a monetary remedy. I think that this would take more of Dave's time in pursuing than he would get back. tim Wouldn't he in any case have to prove a monetary loss? It's the value of his copy that has been used without payment. A few tens of pounds. AIUI a claim for passing off (or whatever) will fail in the small claims track as it is not an something that would be handled there. A long term solution might be to rewrite the site with specific references throughout such that copying it is no longer feasible. Not quite "Laying Patios - At 16 Acacia Avenue...." but that sort of thing. Andrew |
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On Oct 4, 12:22 am, (Steve Firth) wrote:
The Medway Handyman wrote: Thats intellectual property theft in my book. There's no such thing. It may be an infringement of your copyright, but it's not theft. Since this seems to be regular, you really need to consult a lawyer. You can send them a notice to desist, you can dress it up all fancy, but if they decide to stick two fingers up to you then you will need a lawyer to pursue them. You'd be a fool to pursue it as far as getting litigious. What he needs do is make sure the oaf is capable at what he is advertising. If not then the OP needs to post a notice to that effect and that he is not in any way associated with him or her. That doesn't want to be on the front page. Even page two is a bit near the mark. People start looking at stuff like that they get funny ideas. What he wants is people to get the idea of picking up the phone and hiring him. Never mind the competition. And he doesn't need to advertise the other site's address or phone number. At best it is advertising, at worst it offers a line of enquiry into a price war. |
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On Oct 3, 9:33 pm, "The Medway Handyman"
wrote: http://handyman365.net/index.htm I suppose I should be flattered that this is the second company to steal my copy word for word......... Anything I can do? I doubt that anyone looking at the two sites in their browser would see any similarity whatsoever. What about all the bits he didn't copy? The pricing structure is different, etc. A successful business is more than just a few words on a website. If you can't stand a bit of competition then you need to find another niche. MBQ |
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On Thu, 4 Oct 2007 10:32:17 UTC, judith wrote:
On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 08:59:26 +0100, Andy Burns wrote: On 04/10/2007 07:29, wrote: Then, rather than your site having cut-and-paste-able text, your text could be incorporated into an image that contains a pale background of your logo/trademark - so the whole thing is a jpeg or gif image. Which then looks like (or is) amateurish web design, not to mention causing DDA issues. what DDA issues? Someone with vision problems can't read the site, or use a text reader to read it so easily. I have enough problems with badly contrasting text! -- The information contained in this post is copyright the poster, and specifically may not be published in, or used by http://www.diybanter.com |
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On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 00:22:08 +0100, Steve Firth wrote:
The Medway Handyman wrote: Thats intellectual property theft in my book. There's no such thing. It may be an infringement of your copyright, but it's not theft. Since this seems to be regular, you really need to consult a lawyer. You can send them a notice to desist, you can dress it up all fancy, but if they decide to stick two fingers up to you then you will need a lawyer to pursue them. .... you then have to decide if the loss to you is worth the candle. You might not be losing much if any trade depending on where they are located. Your 'honour' may well be smarting but only you can put a price on that. This happened to me about 10 years ago. I wrote some of (what is now) the main FAQ on Central Heating, Valves and Heating. The a local (to me) plumbing agency lifted it word for word onto their site, along with the contributions from several other people who frequently posted to uk.d-i-y. The upshot was that whilst most of us felt ripped off to take matters further was going to cost. Better to get on and do something useful... -- Ed Sirett - Property maintainer and registered gas fitter. The FAQ for uk.diy is at http://www.diyfaq.org.uk Gas fitting FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFitting.html Sealed CH FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/SealedCH.html Choosing a Boiler FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/BoilerChoice.html |
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Another scumbag copying my site.
"The Medway Handyman" wrote in message ... http://handyman365.net/index.htm I suppose I should be flattered that this is the second company to steal my copy word for word......... Anything I can do? You share an interesting idea about the use of commas before 'and'. Otherwise, the grammar on their site is consistent and different from yours and very little of the text is identical. That strongly suggests that it was written from scratch, although that is not to say the writer might not have been influenced by having read the sites of competitors like yourself. It would be difficult not to create a site for a handyman business without using virtually the same words every time. If you want to be different, you need to be the one to undertake that task and come up with innovate text that won't be the first thing that comes to mind when writing such a site. If you don't want to do that, you will have to put up with the competition saying much the same things as you do. Colin Bignell |
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