Hi, I am having a conservatory dwarf wall put up my a builder mate of
mine. I am having bare brickwork on the inside (i.e. no plastering), But
I want to also have flush fitting mains sockets.

Can this be done? if so, how? The wall is current at DPC level,I am
asking now, as I figure I have the additional option of precutting the
bricks before they are laid.

Cheers.

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On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 16:31:31 +0100, "Mark Gillespie"
mused:

Hi, I am having a conservatory dwarf wall put up my a builder mate of
mine. I am having bare brickwork on the inside (i.e. no plastering), But
I want to also have flush fitting mains sockets.

Can this be done? if so, how? The wall is current at DPC level,I am
asking now, as I figure I have the additional option of precutting the
bricks before they are laid.

Same way as you would flush mount any socket, cut the box flush into
the surrounding material.
--
Regards,
Stuart.

On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 16:36:35 +0100, Lurch
wrote:

On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 16:31:31 +0100, "Mark Gillespie"
mused:

Hi, I am having a conservatory dwarf wall put up my a builder mate of
mine. I am having bare brickwork on the inside (i.e. no plastering),
But
I want to also have flush fitting mains sockets.

Can this be done? if so, how? The wall is current at DPC level,I am
asking now, as I figure I have the additional option of precutting the
bricks before they are laid.

Same way as you would flush mount any socket, cut the box flush into
the surrounding material.

Is there a way of doing this without damaging the bricks? Most of my
previous attempts on plastered walls have been pretty poor!!!

Shame nobody has come up with a special tool to do this.. (or perhaps they
have.)


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"Lurch" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 16:31:31 +0100, "Mark Gillespie"
mused:

Hi, I am having a conservatory dwarf wall put up my a builder mate of
mine. I am having bare brickwork on the inside (i.e. no plastering), But
I want to also have flush fitting mains sockets.

Can this be done? if so, how? The wall is current at DPC level,I am
asking now, as I figure I have the additional option of precutting the
bricks before they are laid.

Same way as you would flush mount any socket, cut the box flush into
the surrounding material.
--
Regards,
Stuart.

And then have a good think as to how you will "invisibly" wire them!

On 2007-08-11 16:31:31 +0100, "Mark Gillespie" said:

Hi, I am having a conservatory dwarf wall put up my a builder mate of
mine. I am having bare brickwork on the inside (i.e. no plastering),
But I want to also have flush fitting mains sockets.

Can this be done? if so, how? The wall is current at DPC level,I am
asking now, as I figure I have the additional option of precutting the
bricks before they are laid.

Cheers.

It can be done in the same way as for an already erected wall (e.g.
plastered, plasterboard etc.); but you can get a neater job by cutting
the bricks during construction.

You can put the metal boxes in during construction as well or afterwards.

It's also a helpful idea to run cables in before insulating materials
and if you have doors and want to run cables underneath the openings,
that can be done in large diameter flexible conduit before the floor is
finished.

"Lurch" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 16:31:31 +0100, "Mark Gillespie"
mused:

Hi, I am having a conservatory dwarf wall put up my a builder mate of
mine. I am having bare brickwork on the inside (i.e. no plastering), But
I want to also have flush fitting mains sockets.

Can this be done? if so, how? The wall is current at DPC level,I am
asking now, as I figure I have the additional option of precutting the
bricks before they are laid.

Same way as you would flush mount any socket, cut the box flush into
the surrounding material.
--
Regards,
Stuart.

Then figure out how you're going to get the cables from any socket into and
out of the box cut 'flush into the surrounding material; !

--

Brian

On 2007-08-11 17:36:56 +0100, "Buckgnat" said:


"Lurch" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 16:31:31 +0100, "Mark Gillespie"
mused:

Hi, I am having a conservatory dwarf wall put up my a builder mate of
mine. I am having bare brickwork on the inside (i.e. no plastering), But
I want to also have flush fitting mains sockets.

Can this be done? if so, how? The wall is current at DPC level,I am
asking now, as I figure I have the additional option of precutting the
bricks before they are laid.

Same way as you would flush mount any socket, cut the box flush into
the surrounding material.
--
Regards,
Stuart.

And then have a good think as to how you will "invisibly" wire them!

Very simple. The cable goes into the cavity before the conservatory
superstructure is built onto the dwarf wall.

On 2007-08-11 18:07:31 +0100, "Brian Sharrock" said:


"Lurch" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 16:31:31 +0100, "Mark Gillespie"
mused:

Hi, I am having a conservatory dwarf wall put up my a builder mate of
mine. I am having bare brickwork on the inside (i.e. no plastering), But
I want to also have flush fitting mains sockets.

Can this be done? if so, how? The wall is current at DPC level,I am
asking now, as I figure I have the additional option of precutting the
bricks before they are laid.

Same way as you would flush mount any socket, cut the box flush into
the surrounding material.
--
Regards,
Stuart.

Then figure out how you're going to get the cables from any socket into and
out of the box cut 'flush into the surrounding material; !

Simple. Use the cavity. Run the cables before completing construction.

On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 18:25:54 +0100, Andy Hall
wrote:

On 2007-08-11 18:07:31 +0100, "Brian Sharrock" said:


"Lurch" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 16:31:31 +0100, "Mark Gillespie"
mused:

Hi, I am having a conservatory dwarf wall put up my a builder mate of
mine. I am having bare brickwork on the inside (i.e. no plastering), But
I want to also have flush fitting mains sockets.

Can this be done? if so, how? The wall is current at DPC level,I am
asking now, as I figure I have the additional option of precutting the
bricks before they are laid.

Same way as you would flush mount any socket, cut the box flush into
the surrounding material.
--
Regards,
Stuart.

Then figure out how you're going to get the cables from any socket into and
out of the box cut 'flush into the surrounding material; !

Simple. Use the cavity. Run the cables before completing construction.

Subsequent replacement of such cables might be a bit of a challenge...

:-)
--
Frank Erskine

Drill lots of holes in the area you wish to mount your pattress box. Remove
what is left by carefully chiselling out with a chisel/bolster.

Andy.

"Andy Hall" wrote in message
...
On 2007-08-11 16:31:31 +0100, "Mark Gillespie"
said:

Hi, I am having a conservatory dwarf wall put up my a builder mate of
mine. I am having bare brickwork on the inside (i.e. no plastering), But
I want to also have flush fitting mains sockets.

Can this be done? if so, how? The wall is current at DPC level,I am
asking now, as I figure I have the additional option of precutting the
bricks before they are laid.

Cheers.

It can be done in the same way as for an already erected wall (e.g.
plastered, plasterboard etc.); but you can get a neater job by cutting the
bricks during construction.

You can put the metal boxes in during construction as well or afterwards.

It's also a helpful idea to run cables in before insulating materials and
if you have doors and want to run cables underneath the openings, that can
be done in large diameter flexible conduit before the floor is finished.

in 658694 20070811 184658 Frank Erskine wrote:
On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 18:25:54 +0100, Andy Hall
wrote:

On 2007-08-11 18:07:31 +0100, "Brian Sharrock" said:


"Lurch" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 16:31:31 +0100, "Mark Gillespie"
mused:

Hi, I am having a conservatory dwarf wall put up my a builder mate of
mine. I am having bare brickwork on the inside (i.e. no plastering), But
I want to also have flush fitting mains sockets.

Can this be done? if so, how? The wall is current at DPC level,I am
asking now, as I figure I have the additional option of precutting the
bricks before they are laid.

Same way as you would flush mount any socket, cut the box flush into
the surrounding material.
--
Regards,
Stuart.

Then figure out how you're going to get the cables from any socket into and
out of the box cut 'flush into the surrounding material; !

Simple. Use the cavity. Run the cables before completing construction.

Subsequent replacement of such cables might be a bit of a challenge...

Piece of cake - attach new to old and pull!

"Andy Hall" wrote in message
...
On 2007-08-11 18:07:31 +0100, "Brian Sharrock"
said:


"Lurch" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 16:31:31 +0100, "Mark Gillespie"
mused:

Hi, I am having a conservatory dwarf wall put up my a builder mate of
mine. I am having bare brickwork on the inside (i.e. no plastering),
But
I want to also have flush fitting mains sockets.

Can this be done? if so, how? The wall is current at DPC level,I am
asking now, as I figure I have the additional option of precutting the
bricks before they are laid.

Same way as you would flush mount any socket, cut the box flush into
the surrounding material.
--
Regards,
Stuart.

Then figure out how you're going to get the cables from any socket into
and out of the box cut 'flush into the surrounding material; !

Simple. Use the cavity. Run the cables before completing construction.

It is as easy as that. I once did somthing similar on a sandstone wall.
Cutting out the backbox holes was done with a angle grinder, a hammer and
chisel and patience.

Adam

On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 18:46:58 +0100, Frank Erskine
mused:

On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 18:25:54 +0100, Andy Hall
wrote:

On 2007-08-11 18:07:31 +0100, "Brian Sharrock" said:


"Lurch" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 16:31:31 +0100, "Mark Gillespie"
mused:

Hi, I am having a conservatory dwarf wall put up my a builder mate of
mine. I am having bare brickwork on the inside (i.e. no plastering), But
I want to also have flush fitting mains sockets.

Can this be done? if so, how? The wall is current at DPC level,I am
asking now, as I figure I have the additional option of precutting the
bricks before they are laid.

Same way as you would flush mount any socket, cut the box flush into
the surrounding material.
--
Regards,
Stuart.

Then figure out how you're going to get the cables from any socket into and
out of the box cut 'flush into the surrounding material; !

Simple. Use the cavity. Run the cables before completing construction.

Subsequent replacement of such cables might be a bit of a challenge...

And, who gives a frig?

:-)

Note that I have observed the smiley.
--
Regards,
Stuart.

On 2007-08-11 18:46:58 +0100, Frank Erskine
said:

On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 18:25:54 +0100, Andy Hall
wrote:

On 2007-08-11 18:07:31 +0100, "Brian Sharrock" said:


"Lurch" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 16:31:31 +0100, "Mark Gillespie"
mused:

Hi, I am having a conservatory dwarf wall put up my a builder mate of
mine. I am having bare brickwork on the inside (i.e. no plastering), But
I want to also have flush fitting mains sockets.

Can this be done? if so, how? The wall is current at DPC level,I am
asking now, as I figure I have the additional option of precutting the
bricks before they are laid.

Same way as you would flush mount any socket, cut the box flush into
the surrounding material.
--
Regards,
Stuart.

Then figure out how you're going to get the cables from any socket into and
out of the box cut 'flush into the surrounding material; !

Simple. Use the cavity. Run the cables before completing construction.

Subsequent replacement of such cables might be a bit of a challenge...

:-)

So don't use rubber and include some lengths of polypropylene cord.

Alternatively, run in lengths of 20 or 25mm flexible conduit and do the
wiring in singles.

Andy Hall wrote:

So don't use rubber and include some lengths of polypropylene cord.

Alternatively, run in lengths of 20 or 25mm flexible conduit and do the
wiring in singles.

Or surface wire in MICC.

--
Cheers,

John.

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In message , Andy
wrote
Drill lots of holes in the area you wish to mount your pattress box. Remove
what is left by carefully chiselling out with a chisel/bolster.

As I understand it the wall isn't built yet so just use a back-box
instead of a brick and/or cut the adjacent brick to obtain the correct
spacing of the mortar joints in the exposed brickwork.
--
Alan
news2006 {at} amac {dot} f2s {dot} com

Mark Gillespie wrote:
Hi, I am having a conservatory dwarf wall put up my a builder mate of
mine. I am having bare brickwork on the inside (i.e. no plastering),
But I want to also have flush fitting mains sockets.

Can this be done? if so, how? The wall is current at DPC level,I am
asking now, as I figure I have the additional option of precutting the
bricks before they are laid.


It most certainly can be done, yes.

The key is to get the cables in as you build..if its a cavity wall, no
problem.

If it isn't, try embedding them in the mortar lines. This is probably
against some regulation.

The backing box can be built in as it it was an odd shaped 'brick'


Cheers.

Frank Erskine wrote:
On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 18:25:54 +0100, Andy Hall
wrote:

On 2007-08-11 18:07:31 +0100, "Brian Sharrock" said:

"Lurch" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 16:31:31 +0100, "Mark Gillespie"
mused:

Hi, I am having a conservatory dwarf wall put up my a builder mate of
mine. I am having bare brickwork on the inside (i.e. no plastering), But
I want to also have flush fitting mains sockets.

Can this be done? if so, how? The wall is current at DPC level,I am
asking now, as I figure I have the additional option of precutting the
bricks before they are laid.

Same way as you would flush mount any socket, cut the box flush into
the surrounding material.
--
Regards,
Stuart.
Then figure out how you're going to get the cables from any socket into and
out of the box cut 'flush into the surrounding material; !
Simple. Use the cavity. Run the cables before completing construction.

Subsequent replacement of such cables might be a bit of a challenge...

:-)
Why would one ever want to? "subsequent replacement" of ANY wire is a
bit of a problem in most houses..requiring floor lifting and the like.

"Subsequent replacement" of main drains requires trenching and digging.

"Subsequent replacement" of foundations requires the same, when
underpinning.

Let me let you into a secret: Houses are designed to last,and cables are
no exception.

They didn't build the great churches if the mediaeval period saying
'Gee, I wonder how we will replace the gargoyles'

On 2007-08-12 10:47:43 +0100, John Rumm said:

Andy Hall wrote:

So don't use rubber and include some lengths of polypropylene cord.

Alternatively, run in lengths of 20 or 25mm flexible conduit and do the
wiring in singles.

Or surface wire in MICC.

Mmmm... but makes it look a bit industrial..... Better than PVC, I agree.

On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 17:35:59 +0100, "Mark Gillespie" wrote:

On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 16:36:35 +0100, Lurch
wrote:

On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 16:31:31 +0100, "Mark Gillespie"
mused:

Hi, I am having a conservatory dwarf wall put up my a builder mate of
mine. I am having bare brickwork on the inside (i.e. no plastering),
But
I want to also have flush fitting mains sockets.

Can this be done? if so, how? The wall is current at DPC level,I am
asking now, as I figure I have the additional option of precutting the
bricks before they are laid.

Same way as you would flush mount any socket, cut the box flush into
the surrounding material.

Is there a way of doing this without damaging the bricks? Most of my
previous attempts on plastered walls have been pretty poor!!!

Shame nobody has come up with a special tool to do this.. (or perhaps they
have.)

Yes they have :
http://stores.ebay.ie/PSS-Ltd

On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 13:14:40 GMT, Mike Harrison
mused:

On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 17:35:59 +0100, "Mark Gillespie" wrote:

On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 16:36:35 +0100, Lurch
wrote:

On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 16:31:31 +0100, "Mark Gillespie"
mused:

Hi, I am having a conservatory dwarf wall put up my a builder mate of
mine. I am having bare brickwork on the inside (i.e. no plastering),
But
I want to also have flush fitting mains sockets.

Can this be done? if so, how? The wall is current at DPC level,I am
asking now, as I figure I have the additional option of precutting the
bricks before they are laid.

Same way as you would flush mount any socket, cut the box flush into
the surrounding material.

Is there a way of doing this without damaging the bricks? Most of my
previous attempts on plastered walls have been pretty poor!!!

Shame nobody has come up with a special tool to do this.. (or perhaps they
have.)

Yes they have :
http://stores.ebay.ie/PSS-Ltd

Sort of. Doesn't neccesarily do a better job than a lump hammer and
bolster chisel.
--
Regards,
Stuart.

In message , Mike Harrison
wrote


Yes they have :
http://stores.ebay.ie/PSS-Ltd

Suitable for breeze block or other such soft materials. The video for
the double box sinker shows it having problems even with breeze blocks.

--
Alan
news2006 {at} amac {dot} f2s {dot} com

On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 16:34:20 +0100, Alan wrote:

In message , Mike Harrison
wrote


Yes they have :
http://stores.ebay.ie/PSS-Ltd

Suitable for breeze block or other such soft materials. The video for
the double box sinker shows it having problems even with breeze blocks.


I have emailed the guy, and asked about housebrick, and if it eats them....

I should have mentioned, I already have the wiring between the cavity
inhand, I routed it yesterday from inside the house, though a redundant
airbrick, into the conservatory cavity checked it for length, coiled it
back up (as my wall is only at DPC), and will lay it back out when at
socket level (so the wall ties don't interfere with pulling the cable to
the right level).

Indicently, found a nice money saver for extending the airbricks (having a
solid base, and needed to extend the airbricks out to the front of the
conservatory). I used UPVC drainpipe, nice and inexpensive for a 5m
length (£7). Knocked out the old airbricks on the house that will be
below concrete floor level, shoved the pipe in, and out the front through
the cavity at the front of the conservatory right infront of the new
airbricks, and then cemented around them, so concrete does not get in when
poured. Chucked crush and run over the lot, and ready to fill the lot with
concrete.

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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
Mark Gillespie wrote:
Hi, I am having a conservatory dwarf wall put up my a builder mate of
mine. I am having bare brickwork on the inside (i.e. no plastering), But
I want to also have flush fitting mains sockets.

Can this be done? if so, how? The wall is current at DPC level,I am
asking now, as I figure I have the additional option of precutting the
bricks before they are laid.


May be me being a bit dumb but the only way is to precut the bricks to box
depth, drill or cut through the back of them and pull the cables into
place as you build the wall

What would be the point of building the wall first (with the cables in the
cavity) and then cutting the box in and then trying to fish the cables
through the back of the brick afterwards?

Tony

In message , Mark Gillespie
wrote
On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 16:34:20 +0100, Alan wrote:

In message , Mike
Harrison wrote


Yes they have :
http://stores.ebay.ie/PSS-Ltd

Suitable for breeze block or other such soft materials. The video
for the double box sinker shows it having problems even with breeze
blocks.


I have emailed the guy, and asked about housebrick, and if it eats them....

The ebay page says you could use it at your own risk with brick as the
tool could fracture.

--
Alan
news2006 {at} amac {dot} f2s {dot} com