Hi,

Ihave just had some plastering done to my room and now wish to fit
some new wall sockets.

I would prefer the flush fitting ones, which would require chopping
out the plaster.

I want the sockets to be just above the skirting and I want to know
how to deal with the two wires that will come up from below the floor
(note I have a suspended wooden floor).

I know I will have to chase out a channel for the wires, but should
put the wires in a condiut or should I just fill in the hole directly
after

Many Thanks

Bhupesh

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bp wrote:
Ihave just had some plastering done to my room and now wish to fit
some new wall sockets.

I would prefer the flush fitting ones, which would require chopping
out the plaster.

I want the sockets to be just above the skirting and I want to know
how to deal with the two wires that will come up from below the floor
(note I have a suspended wooden floor).

I know I will have to chase out a channel for the wires, but should
put the wires in a condiut or should I just fill in the hole directly
after

If the wires run vertically from the socket, no conduit required. The idea
being people will realise there might be cables there and not hammer nails
into the wall.

--
*I'm planning to be spontaneous tomorrow *

Dave Plowman London SW
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Hi,

Ihave just had some plastering done to my room and now wish to fit
some new wall sockets.

I would prefer the flush fitting ones, which would require chopping
out the plaster.

I want the sockets to be just above the skirting and I want to know
how to deal with the two wires that will come up from below the floor
(note I have a suspended wooden floor).

I know I will have to chase out a channel for the wires, but should
put the wires in a condiut or should I just fill in the hole directly
after

Many Thanks

Bhupesh

Pity you did not ask earlier as boxes are normally chased in along with the
wires before the plastering is done

Tony

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article . com,
bp wrote:
Ihave just had some plastering done to my room and now wish to fit
some new wall sockets.

I would prefer the flush fitting ones, which would require chopping
out the plaster.

I want the sockets to be just above the skirting ....

_just above_ is now defined by regulation. Eassentially the outlets need to
be accesible to someone in a wheelchair.

and I want to know
how to deal with the two wires that will come up from below the floor
(note I have a suspended wooden floor).


Are the 'new' outlets part of a ring main? There should be two _cables_ each
consisting of three wires -T+E (Live, Neutral and unsheated earth wire).

I know I will have to chase out a channel for the wires, but should
put the wires in a condiut or should I just fill in the hole directly
after

If the wires run vertically from the socket, no conduit required. The idea
being people will realise there might be cables there and not hammer nails
into the wall.

--
*I'm planning to be spontaneous tomorrow *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

--

Brian

On Tue, 05 Jun 2007 18:02:33 GMT, "Brian Sharrock"
mused:

Not got the hang of quoting yet then Brian.

Ihave just had some plastering done to my room and now wish to fit
some new wall sockets.

I would prefer the flush fitting ones, which would require chopping
out the plaster.

I want the sockets to be just above the skirting ....

_just above_ is now defined by regulation. Eassentially the outlets need to
be accesible to someone in a wheelchair.

Not neccesarily.

and I want to know
how to deal with the two wires that will come up from below the floor
(note I have a suspended wooden floor).


Are the 'new' outlets part of a ring main? There should be two _cables_ each
consisting of three wires -T+E (Live, Neutral and unsheated earth wire).

And?

I know I will have to chase out a channel for the wires, but should
put the wires in a condiut or should I just fill in the hole directly
after

If the wires run vertically from the socket, no conduit required. The idea
being people will realise there might be cables there and not hammer nails
into the wall.

--
*I'm planning to be spontaneous tomorrow *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.
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Regards,
Stuart.

"Brian Sharrock" wrote in message
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article . com,
bp wrote:
Ihave just had some plastering done to my room and now wish to fit
some new wall sockets.

I would prefer the flush fitting ones, which would require chopping
out the plaster.

I want the sockets to be just above the skirting ....

_just above_ is now defined by regulation. Eassentially the outlets need
to be accesible to someone in a wheelchair.


No they don't! There is no requirement for that - you can put them where
you like. Whatever next - all houses must have light switches near the
floor so a child can reach them? Things do go a bit too far thanks to
do-gooders.

and I want to know
how to deal with the two wires that will come up from below the floor
(note I have a suspended wooden floor).


Are the 'new' outlets part of a ring main? There should be two _cables_
each consisting of three wires -T+E (Live, Neutral and unsheated earth
wire).

I know I will have to chase out a channel for the wires, but should
put the wires in a condiut or should I just fill in the hole directly
after

If the wires run vertically from the socket, no conduit required. The
idea
being people will realise there might be cables there and not hammer
nails
into the wall.

--
*I'm planning to be spontaneous tomorrow *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

--

Brian

andy wrote:


"Brian Sharrock" wrote in message
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article . com,
bp wrote:
Ihave just had some plastering done to my room and now wish to fit
some new wall sockets.

I would prefer the flush fitting ones, which would require chopping
out the plaster.

I want the sockets to be just above the skirting ....

_just above_ is now defined by regulation. Eassentially the outlets need
to be accesible to someone in a wheelchair.


No they don't! There is no requirement for that - you can put them where
you like. Whatever next - all houses must have light switches near the
floor so a child can reach them? Things do go a bit too far thanks to
do-gooders.


You are both partially right and partially wrong.

Part M defines acceptable socket heights, but only for new builds, or
something along those lines. Rewires in existing buildings - one can do as
one pleases...

Yeah, I know...

Cheers

Tim

"Owain" wrote in message
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andy wrote:
"Brian Sharrock" wrote
I want the sockets to be just above the skirting ....
_just above_ is now defined by regulation. Eassentially the outlets need
to be accesible to someone in a wheelchair.
No they don't! There is no requirement for that - you can put them where
you like. Whatever next - all houses must have light switches near the
floor so a child can reach them? Things do go a bit too far thanks to
do-gooders.

There is such a regulation - Part M of the Building Regulations IIRC - but
it only applies to new builds.


exactly so, and it's generally 450mm above floor level (minimum)

Bob Mannix

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Bob Mannix wrote:
There is such a regulation - Part M of the Building Regulations IIRC -
but it only applies to new builds.


exactly so, and it's generally 450mm above floor level (minimum)

Ideal if you want every room to be easily converted to a kitchen. I can
see lots of work for sparks modifying new builds after they are signed
off...

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Dave Plowman London SW
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Hi,

Thanks for the replies,

The sockets where already there previously. I removed them myself for
the plasterer and now want to put them back exactly where they were.
I asked about how to deal with the wires so that I could ensure the
job was done properly.

I could have put the sockets in and had the plastering done around
that - just overlooked that I guess.

THe existing sockets look like they were all on a ring as there are
two thick grey wires coming out of the back. I have not open the
sockets up to see how many wires are inside.

I will not be doing the work my self but I will pass this on to the
electrician.

Thanks very much for the replies

Bhupesh

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andy wrote:


"Brian Sharrock" wrote in message
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article . com,
bp wrote:
Ihave just had some plastering done to my room and now wish to fit
some new wall sockets.

I would prefer the flush fitting ones, which would require chopping
out the plaster.

I want the sockets to be just above the skirting ....

_just above_ is now defined by regulation. Eassentially the outlets
need
to be accesible to someone in a wheelchair.


No they don't! There is no requirement for that - you can put them where
you like. Whatever next - all houses must have light switches near the
floor so a child can reach them? Things do go a bit too far thanks to
do-gooders.


You are both partially right and partially wrong.

Part M defines acceptable socket heights, but only for new builds, or
something along those lines. Rewires in existing buildings - one can do as
one pleases...

Yeah, I know...

Cheers

Tim

The original posting used the phrase ;- " ... now wish to fit some new wall
sockets."

"New wall sockets" implies they weren't there before and is further
compounded by wording such as above the skirting and chop out plaster. If
the original poster had of used phrasing such as ; 'I'd like new face
plates/ fascias or some such - I wouldn't have bothered to direct him to the
Building Regulations (specifically Part M). BTW; when does 'it wasn't there
before - now it is' become new build?

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Brian

On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 03:21:06 -0700, bp mused:

I will not be doing the work my self but I will pass this on to the
electrician.

If you have to give the electrician any of the information you have
been given in this thread he is not an electrician.
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Regards,
Stuart.

Lurch wrote:
On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 03:21:06 -0700, bp mused:

I will not be doing the work my self but I will pass this on to the
electrician.

If you have to give the electrician any of the information you have
been given in this thread he is not an electrician.

Friend of a friend (so veracity uncertain) had a kitchen fitted once.

Fitter: "Dunno what they've done with this socket here, it's got two
wires going in and out"

Friend of friend: "Don't touch anything else, pack up your tools, and
get out".

Ben