Petrol is stupid expensive, eh. Now, a fuel combustion expert, Jerry
Lang, has developed a breakthrough technology with a company that
currently reaches over 190 countries, which not only reduces
emmissions by up to 90%, but also increases your vehicle's fuel
economy, allowing you to get more kilometers out of your petrol!

See for quick video and details: http://www.PetroPreserve.net

wrote in message
oups.com...

Petrol is stupid expensive, eh. Now, a fuel combustion expert, Jerry
Lang, has developed a breakthrough technology with a company that
currently reaches over 190 countries, which not only reduces
emmissions by up to 90%, but also increases your vehicle's fuel
economy, allowing you to get more kilometers out of your petrol!

See for quick video and details: http://www.PetroPreserve.net

The words "horse****" and "crock" come to mind.

"Vortex" wrote in message
.. .

wrote in message
oups.com...

Petrol is stupid expensive, eh. Now, a fuel combustion expert, Jerry
Lang, has developed a breakthrough technology with a company that
currently reaches over 190 countries, which not only reduces
emmissions by up to 90%, but also increases your vehicle's fuel
economy, allowing you to get more kilometers out of your petrol!

See for quick video and details: http://www.PetroPreserve.net

The words "horse****" and "crock" come to mind.


and of course "of"

wrote in message
oups.com...

Petrol is stupid expensive, eh. Now, a fuel combustion expert, Jerry
Lang, has developed a breakthrough technology with a company that
currently reaches over 190 countries, which not only reduces
emmissions by up to 90%, but also increases your vehicle's fuel
economy, allowing you to get more kilometers out of your petrol!

All lies.
How is adding something to the fuel going to change the software/mechanics
that meters the fuel into the engine.
Unless the metering changes no additive can have any effect on the fuel
consumed.

dennis@home ) gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying :

Petrol is stupid expensive, eh. Now, a fuel combustion expert, Jerry
Lang, has developed a breakthrough technology with a company that
currently reaches over 190 countries, which not only reduces
emmissions by up to 90%, but also increases your vehicle's fuel
economy, allowing you to get more kilometers out of your petrol!

All lies.
How is adding something to the fuel going to change the
software/mechanics that meters the fuel into the engine.
Unless the metering changes no additive can have any effect on the
fuel consumed.

But the lambda sensor in the exhaust _will_ change the fuel metering as
required.

Not that that affects the fact that this is yet more cold pressed extra-
virgin snake oil.

On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 21:12:00 +0100, "Vortex"
wrote:


wrote in message
roups.com...

Petrol is stupid expensive, eh. Now, a fuel combustion expert, Jerry
Lang, has developed a breakthrough technology with a company that
currently reaches over 190 countries, which not only reduces
emmissions by up to 90%, but also increases your vehicle's fuel
economy, allowing you to get more kilometers out of your petrol!

See for quick video and details: http://www.PetroPreserve.net

The words "horse****" and "crock" come to mind.


I imagine the website loads viruses onto the suckers.

On 2007-07-10 21:36:39 +0100, Adrian said:

dennis@home ) gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying :

Petrol is stupid expensive, eh. Now, a fuel combustion expert, Jerry
Lang, has developed a breakthrough technology with a company that
currently reaches over 190 countries, which not only reduces
emmissions by up to 90%, but also increases your vehicle's fuel
economy, allowing you to get more kilometers out of your petrol!

All lies.
How is adding something to the fuel going to change the
software/mechanics that meters the fuel into the engine.
Unless the metering changes no additive can have any effect on the
fuel consumed.

But the lambda sensor in the exhaust _will_ change the fuel metering as
required.

Not that that affects the fact that this is yet more cold pressed extra-
virgin snake oil.

Does the Prius use this?

On 10 Jul, 21:36, Adrian wrote:

But the lambda sensor in the exhaust _will_ change the fuel metering as
required.

Not that that affects the fact that this is yet more cold pressed extra-
virgin snake oil.

what is an extra virgin anyway?


NT

On 2007-07-10 22:23:13 +0100, said:

On 10 Jul, 21:36, Adrian wrote:

But the lambda sensor in the exhaust _will_ change the fuel metering as
required.

Not that that affects the fact that this is yet more cold pressed extra-
virgin snake oil.

what is an extra virgin anyway?


NT

Apparently Al Qaeda are looking for some.

On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 21:59:34 +0100, Andy Hall
wrote:

On 2007-07-10 21:36:39 +0100, Adrian said:

dennis@home ) gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying :

Petrol is stupid expensive, eh. Now, a fuel combustion expert, Jerry
Lang, has developed a breakthrough technology with a company that
currently reaches over 190 countries, which not only reduces
emmissions by up to 90%, but also increases your vehicle's fuel
economy, allowing you to get more kilometers out of your petrol!

All lies.
How is adding something to the fuel going to change the
software/mechanics that meters the fuel into the engine.
Unless the metering changes no additive can have any effect on the
fuel consumed.

But the lambda sensor in the exhaust _will_ change the fuel metering as
required.

Not that that affects the fact that this is yet more cold pressed extra-
virgin snake oil.

Does the Prius use this?

Yes of course!

You spray the dynamotor with it and it trebles the electrickery
output.

wrote:

what is an extra virgin anyway?

A very ugly girl with a personality like dribble?

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"Adrian" wrote in message
. 245.131...
dennis@home ) gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying :

Petrol is stupid expensive, eh. Now, a fuel combustion expert, Jerry
Lang, has developed a breakthrough technology with a company that
currently reaches over 190 countries, which not only reduces
emmissions by up to 90%, but also increases your vehicle's fuel
economy, allowing you to get more kilometers out of your petrol!

All lies.
How is adding something to the fuel going to change the
software/mechanics that meters the fuel into the engine.
Unless the metering changes no additive can have any effect on the
fuel consumed.

But the lambda sensor in the exhaust _will_ change the fuel metering as
required.

But will it change in the right way?
If it makes the burn more efficient then there will be less unburnt fuel so
the lambda sensor will increase the fuel and the engine will burn more fuel.

Maybe thats what the product does.. stops the fuel from burning in the
engine and causes the lambda sensor to reduce the fuel?


Not that that affects the fact that this is yet more cold pressed extra-
virgin snake oil.

dennis@home ) gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying :

How is adding something to the fuel going to change the
software/mechanics that meters the fuel into the engine.
Unless the metering changes no additive can have any effect on the
fuel consumed.

But the lambda sensor in the exhaust _will_ change the fuel metering
as required.

But will it change in the right way?
If it makes the burn more efficient then there will be less unburnt
fuel so the lambda sensor will increase the fuel and the engine will
burn more fuel.

The lambda doesn't measure unburnt fuel - it measures unburnt oxygen.

Theoretically, a more complete burn could well consume all oxygen from less
fuel, leading to less fuel being injected for the same exhaust result.

Maybe thats what the product does.. stops the fuel from burning in the
engine and causes the lambda sensor to reduce the fuel?

Maybe - or maybe it's a pyramid selling scam based around overpriced and
overhyped crap that does nothing very much.

Prace bets.

EricP wrote:

On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 21:59:34 +0100, Andy Hall
wrote:


On 2007-07-10 21:36:39 +0100, Adrian said:


dennis@home ) gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying :


Petrol is stupid expensive, eh. Now, a fuel combustion expert, Jerry
Lang, has developed a breakthrough technology with a company that
currently reaches over 190 countries, which not only reduces
emmissions by up to 90%, but also increases your vehicle's fuel
economy, allowing you to get more kilometers out of your petrol!

All lies.
How is adding something to the fuel going to change the
software/mechanics that meters the fuel into the engine.
Unless the metering changes no additive can have any effect on the
fuel consumed.

But the lambda sensor in the exhaust _will_ change the fuel metering as
required.

Not that that affects the fact that this is yet more cold pressed extra-
virgin snake oil.

Does the Prius use this?


Yes of course!

You spray the dynamotor with it and it trebles the electrickery
output.

Dribble has never mentioned this, so it must be true ;-)

Dave

"Adrian" wrote in message
. 245.131...
dennis@home ) gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying :

How is adding something to the fuel going to change the
software/mechanics that meters the fuel into the engine.
Unless the metering changes no additive can have any effect on the
fuel consumed.

But the lambda sensor in the exhaust _will_ change the fuel metering
as required.

But will it change in the right way?
If it makes the burn more efficient then there will be less unburnt
fuel so the lambda sensor will increase the fuel and the engine will
burn more fuel.

The lambda doesn't measure unburnt fuel - it measures unburnt oxygen.

IIRC its a hot wire catalytic sensor.. i.e. it measures how much fuel burns
on contact with it.
It requires oxygen too.
However most engines have an excess of oxygen as they suck in the same
volume of air and have more or less fuel.


Theoretically, a more complete burn could well consume all oxygen from
less
fuel, leading to less fuel being injected for the same exhaust result.

If it consumes all the oxygen the sensor isn't going to be able to measure
how much fuel is unburnt.


Maybe thats what the product does.. stops the fuel from burning in the
engine and causes the lambda sensor to reduce the fuel?

Maybe - or maybe it's a pyramid selling scam based around overpriced and
overhyped crap that does nothing very much.


Really???? ;-)

Prace bets.

wrote:

On 10 Jul, 21:36, Adrian wrote:


But the lambda sensor in the exhaust _will_ change the fuel metering as
required.

Not that that affects the fact that this is yet more cold pressed extra-
virgin snake oil.


what is an extra virgin anyway?

The first question you should be asking is...

What is a virgin?

I have just e-mailed this question to a very good friend after he told
me that I should find a young one. If she is still a young virgin, it
puts me into a police cell as a pedo, if I touch her :-(

Dave

dennis@home wrote:

"Adrian" wrote in message
. 245.131...

dennis@home ) gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying :


Petrol is stupid expensive, eh. Now, a fuel combustion expert, Jerry
Lang, has developed a breakthrough technology with a company that
currently reaches over 190 countries, which not only reduces
emmissions by up to 90%, but also increases your vehicle's fuel
economy, allowing you to get more kilometers out of your petrol!

All lies.
How is adding something to the fuel going to change the
software/mechanics that meters the fuel into the engine.
Unless the metering changes no additive can have any effect on the
fuel consumed.

But the lambda sensor in the exhaust _will_ change the fuel metering as
required.


But will it change in the right way?
If it makes the burn more efficient then there will be less unburnt fuel so
the lambda sensor will increase the fuel and the engine will burn more fuel.

Maybe thats what the product does.. stops the fuel from burning in the
engine and causes the lambda sensor to reduce the fuel?


Not that that affects the fact that this is yet more cold pressed extra-
virgin snake oil.

I'm not sure where I saw the link for this, but I think that it was
describing the very same product. It is supposed to have been used by
the US army etc for many years.

Apparently, what it is supposed to do is make all the fuel burn inside
the engine before the exhaust port opens (a quicker bang).
He reckons that the little burst of flame from the exhaust valve reduces
the efficiency of the engine.

Personally, I thought it was a load of ********. If an engine
manufacturer had not done something about this many years ago, well,
need I go on?

Dave

wrote in message
oups.com...

Petrol is stupid expensive, eh. Now, a fuel combustion expert, Jerry
Lang, has developed a breakthrough technology with a company that
currently reaches over 190 countries, which not only reduces
emmissions by up to 90%, but also increases your vehicle's fuel
economy, allowing you to get more kilometers out of your petrol!

See for quick video and details: http://www.PetroPreserve.net

Don't forget to pour some SLICK 50 in the oil and Nitrogen in the tyres too!

You would benefit more from correct tyre pressure, removing excess items
from the car that are not required on a daily basis and not accelerating
like hell all the time.

Some tyres are now even claiming to increase your MPG which is just silly.
It's called advertising.

In message , Paul
wrote


Some tyres are now even claiming to increase your MPG which is just silly.

Some tyres may give a better fuel consumption but probably at the
expense of road noise or car handling or longevity or performance in the
wet.



--
Alan
news2006 {at} amac {dot} f2s {dot} com

Alan wrote:
In message , Paul
wrote


Some tyres are now even claiming to increase your MPG which is just
silly.

Some tyres may give a better fuel consumption but probably at the
expense of road noise or car handling or longevity or performance in
the wet.

Once upon a time, the little rotund French chappie used to provide
economical ( in both mpg and longetivity) secure shoes for you. Are they
still good in that respect?
Today, so many cars have these ridiculous shallow tyres that are
uncomfortable and I suspect due to their low profile wear out more
quickly to the benefit of the manufacturers - Discuss! You have but
thirty seconds to answer the question to secure your UK CSE and AS
passes and CPD points for continued membership of your professional
association.

dennis@home ) gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying :

If it consumes all the oxygen the sensor isn't going to be able to
measure how much fuel is unburnt.

It doesn't measure how much fuel is unburnt. It measures oxygen. That's why
it's called an oxygen sensor.

Paul ) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
saying :

Some tyres are now even claiming to increase your MPG which is just
silly.

Low rolling resistance tyres certainly do work.

Claiming they don't would also imply that it's impossible to have tyre
designs which decrease your economy - and if you've ever tried half-decent
off-road tyres on-road...

In article .com,
wrote:

Petrol is stupid expensive, eh. Now, a fuel combustion expert, Jerry
Lang, has developed a breakthrough technology with a company that
currently reaches over 190 countries, which not only reduces
emmissions by up to 90%, but also increases your vehicle's fuel
economy, allowing you to get more kilometers out of your petrol!

See for quick video and details: http://www.PetroPreserve.net

It's another pyramid selling scam. Which even if it worked - which it
doesn't - would show the thinking behind it.

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
Dave wrote:
I'm not sure where I saw the link for this, but I think that it was
describing the very same product. It is supposed to have been used by
the US army etc for many years.

But of course the data is classified...

--
*Two many clicks spoil the browse *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
Paul wrote:
Some tyres are now even claiming to increase your MPG which is just
silly. It's called advertising.

Not so - if they reduce the rolling resistance the fuel economy will
improve. I'm not saying they do but the principle exists.

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Paul wrote:
Some tyres are now even claiming to increase your MPG which is just
silly. It's called advertising.

Not so - if they reduce the rolling resistance the fuel economy will
improve. I'm not saying they do but the principle exists.

Certainly do.

You want better fuel econonmy? add +50% to your tyre pressures.

Just don't blame me when traction goes all to hell and they wear a
stripe out of the middle and the ride feels like theres no suspension
left. And the handling goes twitchy.

"Paul" wrote in message
...

Some tyres are now even claiming to increase your MPG which is just silly.

That would be one of the few things that can change fuel consumption.
Different tyres have different rolling resistance.

It's called advertising.

"Adrian" wrote in message
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dennis@home ) gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying :

If it consumes all the oxygen the sensor isn't going to be able to
measure how much fuel is unburnt.

It doesn't measure how much fuel is unburnt. It measures oxygen. That's
why
it's called an oxygen sensor.

Would you like to explain how it measures the oxygen then?

On Jul 11, 12:24 am, "Paul" wrote:
wrote in message

oups.com...

Petrol is stupid expensive, eh. Now, a fuel combustion expert, Jerry
Lang, has developed a breakthrough technology with a company that
currently reaches over 190 countries, which not only reduces
emmissions by up to 90%, but also increases your vehicle's fuel
economy, allowing you to get more kilometers out of your petrol!

See for quick video and details: http://www.PetroPreserve.net

Don't forget to pour some SLICK 50 in the oil and Nitrogen in the tyres too!

You would benefit more from correct tyre pressure, removing excess items
from the car that are not required on a daily basis and not accelerating
like hell all the time.

Some tyres are now even claiming to increase your MPG which is just silly.

Don't be silly.

It's called advertising.

It's called Physics.

MBQ

"dennis@home" wrote in message
...

snip
However most engines have an excess of oxygen as they suck in the same
volume of air and have more or less fuel.

Probably true in the Perkins factory, but in the world as a whole, I'd
guess there are more petrol engines.

"Throttle" I say to you.


--
Kevin Poole
**Use current month and year to reply (e.g. )***

"Autolycus" wrote in message
...

"dennis@home" wrote in message
...

snip
However most engines have an excess of oxygen as they suck in the same
volume of air and have more or less fuel.

Probably true in the Perkins factory, but in the world as a whole, I'd
guess there are more petrol engines.

"Throttle" I say to you.

Maybe it has an effect when the engine is in overrun but when it is actually
doing anything it needs the same volume of air per stroke to get the
compression needed to burn the fuel.

Maybe I should have stated the same volume of air per revolution?

In article ,
dennis@home wrote:
Maybe it has an effect when the engine is in overrun but when it is
actually doing anything it needs the same volume of air per stroke to
get the compression needed to burn the fuel.

Maybe I should have stated the same volume of air per revolution?

If you think of a carburettor the volume of mixture admitted to the engine
is controlled by the throttle. Without one the engine would try to run at
maximum speed. Most injection systems are exactly the same - the throttle
controls the air admittance and the injectors supply the correct amount of
fuel for that.

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember saying
something like:

Spammers is stupid, eh.

Agreed.

Now, a fuel combustion expert, Jerry

**** off and take a spring cruise.
--

Dave

dennis@home wrote:
"Adrian" wrote in message
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dennis@home ) gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying :

If it consumes all the oxygen the sensor isn't going to be able to
measure how much fuel is unburnt.
It doesn't measure how much fuel is unburnt. It measures oxygen. That's
why
it's called an oxygen sensor.

Would you like to explain how it measures the oxygen then?


Funny. I thought it was called a lambda sensor..

dennis@home wrote:
"Autolycus" wrote in message
...
"dennis@home" wrote in message
...
snip
However most engines have an excess of oxygen as they suck in the same
volume of air and have more or less fuel.

Probably true in the Perkins factory, but in the world as a whole, I'd
guess there are more petrol engines.

"Throttle" I say to you.

Maybe it has an effect when the engine is in overrun but when it is actually
doing anything it needs the same volume of air per stroke to get the
compression needed to burn the fuel.

No it doesn't.


Maybe I should have stated the same volume of air per revolution?



State what you like, its still false.

In a petrol engine, the fuel air ratio is kept relatively constant, and
the total air volume is reduced to reduce power. The actual pre
combustion pressures at say tickover or cruise are really very low indeed.


In a Diesel, the air volume is kept the same, and te fuel amount reduced
to reduce power.

Which is why diesels are markedly more efficient at part throttle.

dennis@home ) gurgled happily, sounding much
like they were saying :

If it consumes all the oxygen the sensor isn't going to be able to
measure how much fuel is unburnt.

It doesn't measure how much fuel is unburnt. It measures oxygen. That's
why it's called an oxygen sensor.

Would you like to explain how it measures the oxygen then?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxygen_sensor

"Adrian" wrote in message
. 245.131...
dennis@home ) gurgled happily, sounding much
like they were saying :

If it consumes all the oxygen the sensor isn't going to be able to
measure how much fuel is unburnt.

It doesn't measure how much fuel is unburnt. It measures oxygen. That's
why it's called an oxygen sensor.

Would you like to explain how it measures the oxygen then?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxygen_sensor

Sounds like a description of a flammable gas detector.
Put a voltage across a catalyst and the fuel will combine with the oxygen to
heat the catalyst.. this changes the resistance so you can measure it.
Nothing I can see in that article suggests this isn't the case.

The message
from "dennis@home" contains these words:

Would you like to explain how it measures the oxygen then?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxygen_sensor

Sounds like a description of a flammable gas detector.
Put a voltage across a catalyst and the fuel will combine with the
oxygen to
heat the catalyst.. this changes the resistance so you can measure it.
Nothing I can see in that article suggests this isn't the case.

"An automotive oxygen sensor, also known as an O2 sensor, lambda probe,
lambda sensor, lambda sond or EGO (exhaust gas oxygen) sensor, is a
small sensor inserted into the exhaust system of a petrol engine to
measure the concentration of oxygen remaining in the exhaust gas"

Does it matter how it works? The wikipedia article is only one of a
number to be found on the net one of which is specific as to how it
works. I can't actually find anything that supports your view of the
universe, not that that surprises me.

By your reckoning a breathalyser doesn't measure alcohol impairment.

--
Roger Chapman

"Roger" wrote in message
k...


By your reckoning a breathalyser doesn't measure alcohol impairment.


It doesn't.
It measures breath alcohol levels.

Roger ) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying :

By your reckoning a breathalyser doesn't measure alcohol impairment.

It doesn't. HTH.