I am trying to get a paint to match one of the colours present in my wood
effect PVC windows. Just been to the local B&Q warehouse and found that
both the B&Q system and the Dulux system only produce standard if wide
ranges of colours, none of which are what I want. The Dulux system has a
system which scans a sample, but can only recommend and produce one of the
wide range of Dulux colours.

Clearly it would be possible to produce a system which would give an
infinite range of colours, one of which would produce a match for my PVC
windows.

Does such a system exist?
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On Wed, 16 May 2007 16:29:32 +0100, Dave Fawthrop
wrote:

I am trying to get a paint to match one of the colours present in my wood
effect PVC windows. Just been to the local B&Q warehouse and found that
both the B&Q system and the Dulux system only produce standard if wide
ranges of colours, none of which are what I want. The Dulux system has a
system which scans a sample, but can only recommend and produce one of the
wide range of Dulux colours.

Clearly it would be possible to produce a system which would give an
infinite range of colours, one of which would produce a match for my PVC
windows.

Does such a system exist?

Remembering the extensive advertising for these systems in the past, I
am staggered that they don't do exactly what you wanted. I thought
that was the point of having them and the large plant to deliver the
paint. You took your funny colour in, they scanned it and that colour
came out of the spout into the tin.

This is bad news for me.

On Wed, 16 May 2007 16:29:32 +0100, Dave Fawthrop
wrote:

I am trying to get a paint to match one of the colours present in my wood
effect PVC windows. Just been to the local B&Q warehouse and found that
both the B&Q system and the Dulux system only produce standard if wide
ranges of colours, none of which are what I want. The Dulux system has a
system which scans a sample, but can only recommend and produce one of the
wide range of Dulux colours.

Clearly it would be possible to produce a system which would give an
infinite range of colours, one of which would produce a match for my PVC
windows.

Does such a system exist?

Outside chance but you can these BS 381c colours mixed at decent paint
suppliers. Probably nothing suitable though.

http://www.indfinspec.demon.co.uk/bs...lour_chart.htm

HTH
Andy

EricP wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2007 16:29:32 +0100, Dave Fawthrop
wrote:

I am trying to get a paint to match one of the colours present in my wood
effect PVC windows. Just been to the local B&Q warehouse and found that
both the B&Q system and the Dulux system only produce standard if wide
ranges of colours, none of which are what I want. The Dulux system has a
system which scans a sample, but can only recommend and produce one of the
wide range of Dulux colours.

Clearly it would be possible to produce a system which would give an
infinite range of colours, one of which would produce a match for my PVC
windows.

Does such a system exist?

Remembering the extensive advertising for these systems in the past, I
am staggered that they don't do exactly what you wanted. I thought
that was the point of having them and the large plant to deliver the
paint. You took your funny colour in, they scanned it and that colour
came out of the spout into the tin.

This is bad news for me.

It should be accurate matching one emulsion paint to another, but it
can't handle different textures. I seem to remember someone scanning a
sycamore leaf, and the results it came up with were laughable.

EricP wrote:

On Wed, 16 May 2007 16:29:32 +0100, Dave Fawthrop
wrote:

I am trying to get a paint to match one of the colours present in my wood
effect PVC windows. Just been to the local B&Q warehouse and found that
both the B&Q system and the Dulux system only produce standard if wide
ranges of colours, none of which are what I want. The Dulux system has a
system which scans a sample, but can only recommend and produce one of the
wide range of Dulux colours.

Clearly it would be possible to produce a system which would give an
infinite range of colours, one of which would produce a match for my PVC
windows.

Does such a system exist?

Remembering the extensive advertising for these systems in the past, I
am staggered that they don't do exactly what you wanted. I thought
that was the point of having them and the large plant to deliver the
paint. You took your funny colour in, they scanned it and that colour
came out of the spout into the tin.

This is bad news for me.

What is bad news for us is that in our rolling program of redecorating,
having painted two radiators with appropriately tinted radiator paint on
the last trip to Homebase (the B&Q doesn't do it) we were informed they
were phasing it out. We were tempted to precipitately decide on the
lounge wall colour there and then. Sanity however prevailed. The
radiator in the small bedroom really disapears into the wall. The hall
one is not as good as it is a double but it is a lot less obvious. And
having taken it off and stripped the many layers of paint (at least one
of which was NOT radiator paint) it no longer looks like an amorphous
blob. It took two sets of Nitromors to get it reasonable.

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On Wed, 16 May 2007 17:43:28 GMT, (Peter Ashby)
wrote:

|!EricP wrote:
|!
|! On Wed, 16 May 2007 16:29:32 +0100, Dave Fawthrop
|! wrote:
|!
|! I am trying to get a paint to match one of the colours present in my wood
|! effect PVC windows. Just been to the local B&Q warehouse and found that
|! both the B&Q system and the Dulux system only produce standard if wide
|! ranges of colours, none of which are what I want. The Dulux system has a
|! system which scans a sample, but can only recommend and produce one of the
|! wide range of Dulux colours.
|!
|! Clearly it would be possible to produce a system which would give an
|! infinite range of colours, one of which would produce a match for my PVC
|! windows.
|!
|! Does such a system exist?
|!
|! Remembering the extensive advertising for these systems in the past, I
|! am staggered that they don't do exactly what you wanted. I thought
|! that was the point of having them and the large plant to deliver the
|! paint. You took your funny colour in, they scanned it and that colour
|! came out of the spout into the tin.
|!
|! This is bad news for me.
|!
|!What is bad news for us is that in our rolling program of redecorating,
|!having painted two radiators with appropriately tinted radiator paint on
|!the last trip to Homebase (the B&Q doesn't do it) we were informed they
|!were phasing it out. We were tempted to precipitately decide on the
|!lounge wall colour there and then. Sanity however prevailed. The
|!radiator in the small bedroom really disapears into the wall. The hall
|!one is not as good as it is a double but it is a lot less obvious. And
|!having taken it off and stripped the many layers of paint (at least one
|!of which was NOT radiator paint) it no longer looks like an amorphous
|!blob. It took two sets of Nitromors to get it reasonable.

All is not *completely* lost.
The Dulux range of mixed paints is as I said *wide* about 800,
http://www.dulux.co.uk/webapp/wcs/st...51&l angId=-1
Never trust colours on a computer screen get the shade cards.
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On 16 May, 17:13, Andy Cap wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2007 16:29:32 +0100, Dave Fawthrop
wrote:

I am trying to get a paint to match one of the colours present in my wood
effect PVC windows. Just been to the local B&Q warehouse and found that
both the B&Q system and the Dulux system only produce standard if wide
ranges of colours, none of which are what I want. The Dulux system has a
system which scans a sample, but can only recommend and produce one of the
wide range of Dulux colours.

Clearly it would be possible to produce a system which would give an
infinite range of colours, one of which would produce a match for my PVC
windows.

Does such a system exist?

Outside chance but you can these BS 381c colours mixed at decent paint
suppliers. Probably nothing suitable though.

http://www.indfinspec.demon.co.uk/bs...lour_chart.htm

HTH
Andy

Varying monitor settings make these charts way off. Oxford blue looks
black on here. The page doesnt even say what colour temp to view it
with, let alone setting up the monitor right, correcting for gamma
etc. Theres no way youre going to get a match using that, or even
close.

I've had Dulux mix colours up a few times, and its always been either
spot on or very close. Important to clean the sample before scanning
it & clean the target wall too. Unfortunately I'm told that browns are
the weakest area for dulux colour matching.

Might be difficult lugging your window down there though! The paper
sheets with colours on may be your best bet.

I dont know what youre doing, but I have had car paints mixed to match
as well.


NT

Dave Fawthrop wrote:

On Wed, 16 May 2007 17:43:28 GMT, (Peter Ashby)
wrote:

|!EricP wrote:
|!
|! On Wed, 16 May 2007 16:29:32 +0100, Dave Fawthrop
|! wrote:
|!
|! I am trying to get a paint to match one of the colours present in my
|! wood effect PVC windows. Just been to the local B&Q warehouse and
|! found that both the B&Q system and the Dulux system only produce
|! standard if wide ranges of colours, none of which are what I want.
|! The Dulux system has a system which scans a sample, but can only
|! recommend and produce one of the wide range of Dulux colours.
|!
|! Clearly it would be possible to produce a system which would give an
|! infinite range of colours, one of which would produce a match for my PVC
|! windows.
|!
|! Does such a system exist?
|!
|! Remembering the extensive advertising for these systems in the past, I
|! am staggered that they don't do exactly what you wanted. I thought
|! that was the point of having them and the large plant to deliver the
|! paint. You took your funny colour in, they scanned it and that colour
|! came out of the spout into the tin.
|!
|! This is bad news for me.
|!
|!What is bad news for us is that in our rolling program of redecorating,
|!having painted two radiators with appropriately tinted radiator paint on
|!the last trip to Homebase (the B&Q doesn't do it) we were informed they
|!were phasing it out. We were tempted to precipitately decide on the
|!lounge wall colour there and then. Sanity however prevailed. The
|!radiator in the small bedroom really disapears into the wall. The hall
|!one is not as good as it is a double but it is a lot less obvious. And
|!having taken it off and stripped the many layers of paint (at least one
|!of which was NOT radiator paint) it no longer looks like an amorphous
|!blob. It took two sets of Nitromors to get it reasonable.

All is not *completely* lost.
The Dulux range of mixed paints is as I said *wide* about 800,

http://www.dulux.co.uk/webapp/wcs/st...ndingView?stor
eId=10752&catalogId=10051&langId=-1
Never trust colours on a computer screen get the shade cards.

Matching a colour is not the problem. The problem is they no longer mix
shades for Hammerite radiator paint. So you are limited to the limited
off the shelf range of primaries. It's not much use having access to a
paint mixing machine if they won't mix the colours into the base of your
choice.

Peter
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On 16 May 2007 12:06:43 -0700, wrote:


Varying monitor settings make these charts way off. Oxford blue looks
black on here. The page doesnt even say what colour temp to view it
with, let alone setting up the monitor right, correcting for gamma
etc. Theres no way youre going to get a match using that, or even
close.

I've had Dulux mix colours up a few times, and its always been either
spot on or very close. Important to clean the sample before scanning
it & clean the target wall too. Unfortunately I'm told that browns are
the weakest area for dulux colour matching.

Might be difficult lugging your window down there though! The paper
sheets with colours on may be your best bet.

I dont know what youre doing, but I have had car paints mixed to match
as well.


NT

That's true of course but the light grey I use for restoring telephone exchange
equipment is pretty accurate on my screen. It would be always be possible to
match something to the colour of the window, possibly from a selection of colour
cards and take that along.

Andy

On Wed, 16 May 2007 23:15:32 +0100, Owain
wrote:

Andy Cap wrote:
That's true of course but the light grey I use for restoring telephone exchange
equipment is pretty accurate on my screen.

I thought telephone equipt was Elephant Grey or, vide the website,
LightStraw.

Owain

Certainly Light Straw, but Light Grey was the colour recommended in one of the
interest groups, though I haven't the time at the moment to scan through them.

I'm not desperately concerned if the shade is slightly different and it's too
late for me but I will make a point of checking, next time I get my hands on an
old switch.

Cheers
Andy

On 16 May, 20:36, Andy Cap wrote:
On 16 May 2007 12:06:43 -0700, wrote:

Varying monitor settings make these charts way off. Oxford blue looks
black on here. The page doesnt even say what colour temp to view it
with, let alone setting up the monitor right, correcting for gamma
etc. Theres no way youre going to get a match using that, or even
close.

I've had Dulux mix colours up a few times, and its always been either
spot on or very close. Important to clean the sample before scanning
it & clean the target wall too. Unfortunately I'm told that browns are
the weakest area for dulux colour matching.

Might be difficult lugging your window down there though! The paper
sheets with colours on may be your best bet.

I dont know what youre doing, but I have had car paints mixed to match
as well.

NT

That's true of course but the light grey I use for restoring telephone exchange
equipment is pretty accurate on my screen. It would be always be possible to
match something to the colour of the window, possibly from a selection of colour
cards and take that along.

Andy

You're lucky - some monitors wll be set right, and some wont but will
match on a few colours anyway, but there are several variables all of
which are routinely off to way off, so these charts should be treated
with a hundredweight of salt.


NT

On Wed, 16 May 2007 16:29:32 +0100, Dave Fawthrop
wrote:

I am trying to get a paint to match one of the colours present in my wood
effect PVC windows. Just been to the local B&Q warehouse and found that
both the B&Q system and the Dulux system only produce standard if wide
ranges of colours, none of which are what I want. The Dulux system has a
system which scans a sample, but can only recommend and produce one of the
wide range of Dulux colours.

Clearly it would be possible to produce a system which would give an
infinite range of colours, one of which would produce a match for my PVC
windows.

Does such a system exist?

When I worked at Crown we were told that the scanner would match any
colour* but that Dulux's matching system would only produce the
nearest match(es) to a Dulux colour (or colours).

* actually it wouldn't do very dark reds/purples.

Peter Johnson wrote:

On Wed, 16 May 2007 16:29:32 +0100, Dave Fawthrop
wrote:

I am trying to get a paint to match one of the colours present in my wood
effect PVC windows. Just been to the local B&Q warehouse and found that
both the B&Q system and the Dulux system only produce standard if wide
ranges of colours, none of which are what I want. The Dulux system has a
system which scans a sample, but can only recommend and produce one of the
wide range of Dulux colours.

Clearly it would be possible to produce a system which would give an
infinite range of colours, one of which would produce a match for my PVC
windows.

Does such a system exist?

When I worked at Crown we were told that the scanner would match any
colour* but that Dulux's matching system would only produce the
nearest match(es) to a Dulux colour (or colours).

* actually it wouldn't do very dark reds/purples.

The problem is as someone pointed out if you present it with a textured
or reflective surface it fails. This is actually because our visual
system doesn't actually work on 'this wavelength of light is this
shade'. It uses all sorts of other clues, including texture,
reflectivity, speckle etc. Better to get a printed colour chart and hold
both matching object and swatch together in the same light. It is also
why apple green or grass green paint is never even close.

Peter
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