I'm wanting to replace my old boiler for a combi boiler. The boilers
need to heat up 13 radiators and two bathrooms over three storeys.
Can anyone recommend me any good reliable boilers?

Thanks

try looking at the Idea Istor...

Sungye wrote:
I'm wanting to replace my old boiler for a combi boiler. The boilers
need to heat up 13 radiators and two bathrooms over three storeys.
Can anyone recommend me any good reliable boilers?

Thanks

On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 08:04:29 -0800, Sungye wrote:

I'm wanting to replace my old boiler for a combi boiler. The boilers
need to heat up 13 radiators and two bathrooms over three storeys.
Can anyone recommend me any good reliable boilers?


Please read the Boiler choice FAQ.
The FAQ will also deal with some of the many wider issues involved.
One of which might also include what type of HW system is best suited to
your life style and this type of dwelling.


--
Ed Sirett - Property maintainer and registered gas fitter.
The FAQ for uk.diy is at http://www.diyfaq.org.uk
Gas fitting FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFitting.html
Sealed CH FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/SealedCH.html
Choosing a Boiler FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/BoilerChoice.html
Gas Fitting Standards Docs he http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFittingStandards

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On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 08:04:29 -0800, Sungye wrote:

I'm wanting to replace my old boiler for a combi boiler. The boilers
need to heat up 13 radiators and two bathrooms over three storeys.
Can anyone recommend me any good reliable boilers?


Please read the Boiler choice FAQ.
The FAQ will also deal with some of the many wider issues involved.
One of which might also include what type of HW system is best suited to
your life style and this type of dwelling.

Take into account is about 20 years out of date.

On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 23:46:34 +0000, Ed Sirett wrote:

Please read the Boiler choice FAQ.
The FAQ will also deal with some of the many wider issues involved.
One of which might also include what type of HW system is best suited to
your life style and this type of dwelling.

There's also some spiel about hot water systems on the wiki at
http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?..._Water_Systems

"John Stumbles" wrote in message
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On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 23:46:34 +0000, Ed Sirett wrote:

Please read the Boiler choice FAQ.
The FAQ will also deal with some of the many wider issues involved.
One of which might also include what type of HW system is best suited to
your life style and this type of dwelling.

There's also some spiel about hot water systems on the wiki at
http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?..._Water_Systems

It is lacking as well. Like most of them.

On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 20:58:02 +0000, Doctor Drivel wrote:

"John Stumbles" wrote in message
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On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 23:46:34 +0000, Ed Sirett wrote:

Please read the Boiler choice FAQ.
The FAQ will also deal with some of the many wider issues involved.
One of which might also include what type of HW system is best suited to
your life style and this type of dwelling.

There's also some spiel about hot water systems on the wiki at
http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?..._Water_Systems

It is lacking as well. Like most of them.

You have no excuse; since you there is nothing stopping you from editing
it to something that is a little less "lacking".

--
Ed Sirett - Property maintainer and registered gas fitter.
The FAQ for uk.diy is at http://www.diyfaq.org.uk
Gas fitting FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFitting.html
Sealed CH FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/SealedCH.html
Choosing a Boiler FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/BoilerChoice.html
Gas Fitting Standards Docs he http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFittingStandards

so this plumber was going to install a cheap tat boiler for me.

Does anyone know if the powermax by potterton is wall mountable of if
its freestanding?

"Ed Sirett" wrote in message
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On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 20:58:02 +0000, Doctor Drivel wrote:

"John Stumbles" wrote in message
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On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 23:46:34 +0000, Ed Sirett wrote:

Please read the Boiler choice FAQ.
The FAQ will also deal with some of the many wider issues involved.
One of which might also include what type of HW system is best suited
to
your life style and this type of dwelling.

There's also some spiel about hot water systems on the wiki at
http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?..._Water_Systems

It is lacking as well. Like most of them.

You have no excuse; since you there is nothing stopping you from editing
it to something that is a little less "lacking".

That still does not detract from the point that it is lacking.

On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 20:58:02 +0000, Doctor Drivel wrote:

"John Stumbles" wrote in message
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On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 23:46:34 +0000, Ed Sirett wrote:

Please read the Boiler choice FAQ.
The FAQ will also deal with some of the many wider issues involved.
One of which might also include what type of HW system is best suited to
your life style and this type of dwelling.

There's also some spiel about hot water systems on the wiki at
http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?..._Water_Systems

It is lacking as well. Like most of them.

For some reason my initial reply was somewhat lacking.

Any road you now have absolutely no excuse for being an arm chair whinging
specatator about the wiki pages. This is because you can edit the pages
so they 'lack' less.


--
Ed Sirett - Property maintainer and registered gas fitter.
The FAQ for uk.diy is at http://www.diyfaq.org.uk
Gas fitting FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFitting.html
Sealed CH FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/SealedCH.html
Choosing a Boiler FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/BoilerChoice.html
Gas Fitting Standards Docs he http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFittingStandards

so the biasi is cheap tat and the this plumber recommend to me.
is the powermax free standing?

so the biasi is cheap tat and the this plumber recommend to me.
is the powermax free standing?

so the biasi is cheap tat and the this plumber recommend to me.
is the owermax free standing?

"Ed Sirett" wrote in message
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On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 20:58:02 +0000, Doctor Drivel wrote:

"John Stumbles" wrote in message
news
On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 23:46:34 +0000, Ed Sirett wrote:

Please read the Boiler choice FAQ.
The FAQ will also deal with some of the many wider issues involved.
One of which might also include what type of HW system is best suited
to
your life style and this type of dwelling.

There's also some spiel about hot water systems on the wiki at
http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?..._Water_Systems

It is lacking as well. Like most of them.

For some reason my initial reply was somewhat lacking.

Any road you now have absolutely no excuse for being an arm chair whinging
specatator about the wiki pages. This is because you can edit the pages
so they 'lack' less.

They are still lacking.

On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 20:58:02 +0000, Doctor Drivel wrote:

There's also some spiel about hot water systems on the wiki at
http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?..._Water_Systems

It is lacking as well. Like most of them.

I know that and I will add to it to make good some of the areas in which
it is lacking when I have time. Maybe you'd like to help?

Maybe you could add some links to manufacturers' web sites - I know, from
some of your previous posts, that you've got lots of those.

Even if you'd point to what, specificaly, you think it's lacking that
could be helpful. If you don't want to put up new 'finished' content you
could use the talk/discussion pages to suggest areas for improvement.

In article ews.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:

"John Stumbles" wrote in message
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On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 23:46:34 +0000, Ed Sirett wrote:

Please read the Boiler choice FAQ.
The FAQ will also deal with some of the many wider issues involved.
One of which might also include what type of HW system is best suited to
your life style and this type of dwelling.

There's also some spiel about hot water systems on the wiki at
http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?..._Water_Systems

It is lacking as well. Like most of them.

By your standards of reading the latest catalogues and recommending
untried, every single database like this will be out of date.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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In article ews.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:

"John Stumbles" wrote in message
news
On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 23:46:34 +0000, Ed Sirett wrote:

Please read the Boiler choice FAQ.
The FAQ will also deal with some of the many wider issues involved.
One of which might also include what type of HW system is best suited
to
your life style and this type of dwelling.

There's also some spiel about hot water systems on the wiki at
http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?..._Water_Systems

It is lacking as well. Like most of them.

By

Please eff off as you are a total plantpot.

Sungye wrote:
I'm wanting to replace my old boiler for a combi boiler. The boilers
need to heat up 13 radiators and two bathrooms over three storeys.
Can anyone recommend me any good reliable boilers?

Thanks


I wouldn't use a combi for two bathrooms.

To supply tow decent showers would mean tye peak power is so large that
you would be better off with a mains pressure hot water system cost wise.

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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Sungye wrote:
I'm wanting to replace my old boiler for a combi boiler. The boilers
need to heat up 13 radiators and two bathrooms over three storeys.
Can anyone recommend me any good reliable boilers?

Thanks


I wouldn't use a combi for two bathrooms.

To supply tow decent showers would mean tye peak power is so large that
you would be better off with a mains pressure hot water system cost wise.

Floor mounted combis can cope. Gledhill does three bathrooms. The best well
priced wall mounted combi is the Alpha CD50. That will do two showers but
not two baths together.

On 18 Jan 2007 08:04:29 -0800 someone who may be "Sungye"
wrote this:-

I'm wanting to replace my old boiler for a combi boiler.

Why a combination boiler?

The boilers
need to heat up 13 radiators and two bathrooms over three storeys.

The sort of application a combination boiler is not particularly
well suited to. I suggest that an ordinary condensing boiler feeding
a thermal store, with mains pressure hot water coming from the
store, would be a far better choice.



--
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I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

David Hansen wrote:

On 18 Jan 2007 08:04:29 -0800 someone who may be "Sungye"
wrote this:-

I'm wanting to replace my old boiler for a combi boiler.

Why a combination boiler?

The boilers
need to heat up 13 radiators and two bathrooms over three storeys.

The sort of application a combination boiler is not particularly
well suited to. I suggest that an ordinary condensing boiler feeding
a thermal store, with mains pressure hot water coming from the
store, would be a far better choice.


thanks for the advice. yes...I went oto see aplumbers merchant and they
suggested a ordinary condensing boiler..such as the Potterton (can't
remember the model) it has a water cylinder on top.

At the moment,my old boiler is broken, although I have hot water, non
of the radiators are hot but there still is a pilot light, therefore, I
think its time to change


--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

"Sungye" wrote in message
oups.com...

David Hansen wrote:

On 18 Jan 2007 08:04:29 -0800 someone who may be "Sungye"
wrote this:-

I'm wanting to replace my old boiler for a combi boiler.

Why a combination boiler?

The boilers
need to heat up 13 radiators and two bathrooms over three storeys.

The sort of application a combination boiler is not particularly
well suited to. I suggest that an ordinary condensing boiler feeding
a thermal store, with mains pressure hot water coming from the
store, would be a far better choice.

thanks for the advice. yes...I went oto see aplumbers merchant and they
suggested a ordinary condensing boiler..such as the Potterton (can't
remember the model) it has a water cylinder on top.

Powermax? Avoid Pottertons, although the Powermax has a decent reputation.

At the moment,my old boiler is broken, although I have hot water, non
of the radiators are hot but there still is a pilot light, therefore, I
think its time to change

Doctor Drivel wrote:

"Sungye" wrote in message
oups.com...

David Hansen wrote:

On 18 Jan 2007 08:04:29 -0800 someone who may be "Sungye"
wrote this:-

I'm wanting to replace my old boiler for a combi boiler.

Why a combination boiler?

The boilers
need to heat up 13 radiators and two bathrooms over three storeys.

The sort of application a combination boiler is not particularly
well suited to. I suggest that an ordinary condensing boiler feeding
a thermal store, with mains pressure hot water coming from the
store, would be a far better choice.

thanks for the advice. yes...I went oto see aplumbers merchant and they
suggested a ordinary condensing boiler..such as the Potterton (can't
remember the model) it has a water cylinder on top.

Powermax? Avoid Pottertons, although the Powermax has a decent reputation.

I have been recommend the powermax by potterton and also Biazi 32, anu suggestions?

Sungye wrote:


I have been recommend the powermax by potterton and also Biazi 32, anu suggestions?

Sungye wrote:


I have been recommend the powermax by potterton and also Biazi 32, any suggestions?

"David Hansen" wrote in message
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On 18 Jan 2007 08:04:29 -0800 someone who may be "Sungye"
wrote this:-

I'm wanting to replace my old boiler for a combi boiler.

Why a combination boiler?

The boilers
need to heat up 13 radiators and two bathrooms over three storeys.

The sort of application a combination boiler is not particularly
well suited to. I suggest that an ordinary condensing boiler feeding
a thermal store, with mains pressure hot water coming from the
store, would be a far better choice.

I agree. Look at:
http://www.rangecylinders.co.uk/products/flowmax/

And use a Glow Worm Hxi boiler too.

Sungye wrote:

I'm wanting to replace my old boiler for a combi boiler. The boilers
need to heat up 13 radiators and two bathrooms over three storeys.
Can anyone recommend me any good reliable boilers?

Thanks

Hi Sungye,
I had to change my Boiler a couple of years ago. I did a considerable
amount of research and came to the firm conclusion that I would never
install a Combi. One of the main failings of a Combi is that the pipes
in your House have to be expertly fitted to a very high standard
because it runs under a High pressure.If you fit a Combi and try to run
on a system with old pipes you are asking for trouble.Unless you are
installing a completely new network of pipes I would advise you NOT to
install a Combi.
I found many of the people I knew had many problems with Combi,some had
discarded their Combi after only a few months.
I also dismissed Condensing Boilers because of their complexity. The
complexity is due to them being stuffed full of microchips,each
manufacturer trying to outdo the other in terms of the published league
table of Energy Efficiency.
I fitted a traditional Boiler and could do so because I live in
Scotland. If you live in England you do not have that option because of
the change to Building Regulations.
If I were you I would avoid a Combi and consider Installing a tried and
tested Condensing Boiler,if you can find such a machine.Good Luck Mikie

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Sungye wrote:

I'm wanting to replace my old boiler for a combi boiler. The boilers
need to heat up 13 radiators and two bathrooms over three storeys.
Can anyone recommend me any good reliable boilers?

Thanks

Hi Sungye,
I had to change my Boiler a couple of years ago. I did a considerable
amount of research and came to the firm conclusion that I would never
install a Combi. One of the main failings of a Combi is that the pipes
in your House have to be expertly fitted to a very high standard
because it runs under a High pressure.If you fit a Combi and try to run
on a system with old pipes you are asking for trouble.Unless you are
installing a completely new network of pipes I would advise you NOT to
install a Combi.
I found many of the people I knew had many problems with Combi,some had
discarded their Combi after only a few months.
I also dismissed Condensing Boilers because of their complexity. The
complexity is due to them being stuffed full of microchips,each
manufacturer trying to outdo the other in terms of the published league
table of Energy Efficiency.
I fitted a traditional Boiler and could do so because I live in
Scotland. If you live in England you do not have that option because of
the change to Building Regulations.
If I were you I would avoid a Combi and consider Installing a tried and
tested Condensing Boiler,if you can find such a machine.Good Luck Mikie

That is the biggest load of tripe I have read in a while. It is wrong on
every point.

In article ews.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:
That is the biggest load of tripe I have read in a while. It is wrong on
every point.

Yes - you have a rival.

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In article ews.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:

That is the biggest load of tripe I have read in a while. It is wrong on
every point.

Yes

Please eff off as you are a total plantpot.

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article ews.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:
That is the biggest load of tripe I have read in a while. It is wrong on
every point.

Yes - you have a rival.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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What I have stated regarding the Combi is common knowledge in the
Plumbing Trade. I accept that my view on Condensing Boilers may be
controversial but its the conclusion I came to.
On the Estate where I live I am surrounded by neighbours that have
Condensing Boilers which require constant and never ending attention
from British Gas.
Those who have older Boilers just seem to go on and on without
requiring any attention.
Having given this clarification I now invite you to lay out the
specific points you believe are wrong and I will answer them.

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What I have stated regarding the
Combi is common knowledge in the
Plumbing Trade.

What you stated was total balls. Those "professionals" who believe that
should get a job on the milk. Plumbers should stick to drains and leave
heating alone. There are three bathroom combis around.

I accept that my view on Condensing Boilers may be
controversial but its the conclusion I came to.

Which is totally wrong as you know sweet nothing of the heating business. A
non-condensing and condensing boiler is the same except for a larger heat
exchanger and drain. The electronics are near identical in most cases. The
Atmos doesn't need a drain connection.

On the Estate where I live I am surrounded by neighbours that have
Condensing Boilers which require constant and never ending attention
from British Gas.

So they have a cheap crap make installed. Put in a Vaillant, Atag, Geminox,
Atmos, ECO-Homtec or Viessmann and see if BG turn up frequently.

Those who have older Boilers just seem to go on and on without
requiring any attention.

And pay 30 to 40% more in fuel too.

Having given this clarification I now invite you to lay out the
specific points you believe are wrong and I will answer them.

As you know sweet FA about boilers and heating it is best to keep quiet,
read and learn. All your points are wrong.