I just receive my gas bill from EDF 100£ for 76 days

I have a small one bedroom flat in London.
I have a wodter combi boiler and my heating is on from 12:00PM until
2:00AM every day = 14 Hours and I take one bath a day
It is on thermostat for 21 deg, and only two radiators are on.
Bathroom radiator and living room. All the rest are off.
Boiler set to 75 Degrees for the radiators.....

My bill is for 103 units witch is 3234 Kwh.

First 1220=3.93£
Next 2023=3.472£

Is it looking normal for you???
What is the bills price others got this year?
If those are the prices for Gas I don't want to think how much a 3
bedroom house will pay. It looks like heating by gas isn't worth it
any more

Thank you for your time.

Golan wrote:
I just receive my gas bill from EDF 100£ for 76 days

I have a small one bedroom flat in London.
I have a wodter combi boiler and my heating is on from 12:00PM until
2:00AM every day = 14 Hours and I take one bath a day
It is on thermostat for 21 deg, and only two radiators are on.
Bathroom radiator and living room. All the rest are off.
Boiler set to 75 Degrees for the radiators.....

My bill is for 103 units witch is 3234 Kwh.

First 1220=3.93£
Next 2023=3.472£

Is it looking normal for you???
What is the bills price others got this year?
If those are the prices for Gas I don't want to think how much a 3
bedroom house will pay. It looks like heating by gas isn't worth it
any more

Thank you for your time.

Seems normal if you overuse the heating like that.

Thermostat at 21 is too high unless you are unwell or only own t
shirts. Try 18, or 19 if you find that too cold. You almost certainly
don't need it on for that long either. It should go off a while before
you go to bed - the flat will take a while to cool down, and it's OK
for it to drop substantially while your asleep. You might find it's OK
to let it cool a bit in the afternoon too - see what happens if you
have it off from say 2 - 5.

Also, make sure you turn it off if you're going out. No point heating
an empty flat, and the worst that happens is you have to keep you're
coat on for 5 - 10 mins when you get back while the place warms up.
Obviously if you know what time you'll be back, you can set the timer.

Heating by gas is still cheaper - electricity prices have gone up too.

A

On 18 Jan 2007 07:34:25 -0800 someone who may be "Golan"
wrote this:-

I have a small one bedroom flat in London.

How well insulated is it? How draughty?

I have a wodter combi boiler and my heating is on from 12:00PM until
2:00AM every day

Why? When are you in the flat?

If it is well insulated then it is as well to turn the heating on
only when you get in. Otherwise set the clock to turn it on half an
hour before you expect to get in. Turn it off before you go to bed,
the time before depending on how well insulated the flat is.

I take one bath a day

Expensive. Consider fitting a shower, fed from the boiler, which
will save gas and water compared to a bath.

It is on thermostat for 21 deg,

Far too high. Turning it down to 18 or 19 will save a lot of gas.

What do you wear in the flat? Is it too hot if you wear a jersey?

Check you are on a good tariff.


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But eh. Inflation is only 2.9% mate. Or so Gordon ****face says anyway.
he should live in teh real world.

"Golan" wrote in message
ups.com...
I just receive my gas bill from EDF 100£ for 76 days

I have a small one bedroom flat in London.
I have a wodter combi boiler and my heating is on from 12:00PM until
2:00AM every day = 14 Hours and I take one bath a day
It is on thermostat for 21 deg, and only two radiators are on.
Bathroom radiator and living room. All the rest are off.
Boiler set to 75 Degrees for the radiators.....

My bill is for 103 units witch is 3234 Kwh.

First 1220=3.93£
Next 2023=3.472£

Is it looking normal for you???
What is the bills price others got this year?
If those are the prices for Gas I don't want to think how much a 3
bedroom house will pay. It looks like heating by gas isn't worth it
any more

Thank you for your time.

"Kaiser Sose" wrote in message
...
But eh. Inflation is only 2.9% mate. Or so Gordon ****face says anyway.
he should live in teh real world.

"Golan" wrote in message
ups.com...
I just receive my gas bill from EDF 100£ for 76 days

I have a small one bedroom flat in London.
I have a wodter combi boiler and my heating is on from 12:00PM until
2:00AM every day = 14 Hours and I take one bath a day
It is on thermostat for 21 deg, and only two radiators are on.
Bathroom radiator and living room. All the rest are off.
Boiler set to 75 Degrees for the radiators.....

My bill is for 103 units witch is 3234 Kwh.

First 1220=3.93£
Next 2023=3.472£



I can't understand the pricing units you've utilised;- it's normal in
English isage to write £3.93
and £3.47 rather than the way you've written it.
Do you intend to convey that a 'unit' (KwH) is actually nearly four Pounds?
My bills indicate £0..0495 and £0.02821 per unit [First and Subsequent]
in real-money terms that's approximately a shilling per unit then sixpence
per unit.

My usage is running at £0.21 ~ £0.47 per day;

--

Brian

Brian Sharrock wrote:
"Kaiser Sose" wrote in message
...
But eh. Inflation is only 2.9% mate. Or so Gordon ****face says anyway.
he should live in teh real world.

"Golan" wrote in message
ups.com...
I just receive my gas bill from EDF 100£ for 76 days

I have a small one bedroom flat in London.
I have a wodter combi boiler and my heating is on from 12:00PM until
2:00AM every day = 14 Hours and I take one bath a day
It is on thermostat for 21 deg, and only two radiators are on.
Bathroom radiator and living room. All the rest are off.
Boiler set to 75 Degrees for the radiators.....

My bill is for 103 units witch is 3234 Kwh.

First 1220=3.93£
Next 2023=3.472£



I can't understand the pricing units you've utilised;- it's normal in
English isage to write £3.93
and £3.47 rather than the way you've written it.
Do you intend to convey that a 'unit' (KwH) is actually nearly four Pounds?
My bills indicate £0..0495 and £0.02821 per unit [First and Subsequent]
in real-money terms that's approximately a shilling per unit then sixpence
per unit.

My usage is running at £0.21 ~ £0.47 per day;

--

Brian

It is 3 Pounds and 93 pens for the first 1220 Kwh
and 2 Pounds ans 23 pens for the rest...

Golan wrote:
I just receive my gas bill from EDF 100£ for 76 days

I have a small one bedroom flat in London.
I have a wodter combi boiler and my heating is on from 12:00PM until
2:00AM every day = 14 Hours and I take one bath a day
It is on thermostat for 21 deg, and only two radiators are on.
Bathroom radiator and living room. All the rest are off.
Boiler set to 75 Degrees for the radiators.....

My bill is for 103 units which is 3234 Kwh.

First 1220=3.93£
Next 2023=3.472£

Is it looking normal for you???
What is the bills price others got this year?
If those are the prices for Gas I don't want to think how much a 3
bedroom house will pay. It looks like heating by gas isn't worth it
any more

Thank you for your time.
.................................................. ....................................

Golan: A few questions though??????

1220 + 2023 = 3243 just a slight difference from 3234? Not enough to
worry though.

Cost = 7.4 UK pounds. (I gotta find that pounds sign on this Canadian
keyboard!)

Your average cost therefore 740/3243 = 0.22 pence per kilowatt hour?

That doesn't seem right?

Did you mean 22 pence per k.watt hour?

Also using 3243 kilowatt hours in 76 days is about 2.5 month; so your
monthly consumption, in order to compare with our monthly billing, was
3243/2.5 = 1281 kilowatt hours per month.

By comparison:

Our last electric bill (for this all electric, four bedroom house etc.)
here, for Dec 8th to Jan 10th, a not particularly cold Christmas btw,
was for 3491 kilowatt hours. Like yourself, normally one occupant but
son was home from Middle East for that period and longer. And we had
some Christmas decorations on too.

And that's for everything, heating, hot water, lights, TV, two
computers on all the time, clothes dryer etc. Also included a couple of
days of heavy heating (about 7 kilowatt heaters, trouble lights etc.)
of the garage for some 20 hours while working on the pick-up truck
which probably cost about $20 (say ten quid?). Did the first complete
four wheel brake job for less than $230 (about 100 quid?) at 65,000
kilometres on the now four year old vehicle. So the cost of the heating
was almost incidental!

Our 3491 k.watt hours, including a monthly account charge (even f you
use no electricity) and sales tax cost $312 Can. dollars. That's
3491/312 = about 11.2 Can. cents per k.watt hour or roughly five or six
pence per?

Discuss some or have I missed something vital?

PS. Right now it is unusually cold for this location. Minus 15 deg. C.
Not much wind though. By Sunday supposed to be back up to +1 to minus 4
C.

Golan wrote:
Brian Sharrock wrote:
"Kaiser Sose" wrote in message
...
But eh. Inflation is only 2.9% mate. Or so Gordon ****face says
anyway. he should live in teh real world.

"Golan" wrote in message
ups.com...
I just receive my gas bill from EDF 100£ for 76 days

I have a small one bedroom flat in London.
I have a wodter combi boiler and my heating is on from 12:00PM until
2:00AM every day = 14 Hours and I take one bath a day
It is on thermostat for 21 deg, and only two radiators are on.
Bathroom radiator and living room. All the rest are off.
Boiler set to 75 Degrees for the radiators.....

My bill is for 103 units witch is 3234 Kwh.

First 1220=3.93£
Next 2023=3.472£



I can't understand the pricing units you've utilised;- it's normal in
English isage to write £3.93
and £3.47 rather than the way you've written it.
Do you intend to convey that a 'unit' (KwH) is actually nearly four
Pounds? My bills indicate £0..0495 and £0.02821 per unit [First and
Subsequent]
in real-money terms that's approximately a shilling per unit then
sixpence per unit.

My usage is running at £0.21 ~ £0.47 per day;

--

Brian

It is 3 Pounds and 93 pens for the first 1220 Kwh
and 2 Pounds ans 23 pens for the rest...

Are you sure about that, that would mean you have to spend £4794.60 before
you go onto the cheaper rate.

It would be far far far more believable if it was 3.93p per unit rather than
£3.93
This would equate to an effective standing charge of £20.74, wich sounds
about right.

What does it actually say on the bill?

Sparks...

In article . com,
Golan wrote:
Is it looking normal for you???
What is the bills price others got this year?
If those are the prices for Gas I don't want to think how much a 3
bedroom house will pay. It looks like heating by gas isn't worth it
any more

It's costing you 1.30 gbp per day. About the cost of a half pint of lager
in a pub.

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
Sparks wrote:
It is 3 Pounds and 93 pens for the first 1220 Kwh
and 2 Pounds ans 23 pens for the rest...

Are you sure about that, that would mean you have to spend £4794.60
before you go onto the cheaper rate.

It would be far far far more believable if it was 3.93p per unit rather
than £3.93 This would equate to an effective standing charge of £20.74,
wich sounds about right.

What does it actually say on the bill?

I've just paid mine so have the bill handy.
BG
First 1290kWh @ 4.959p
Rest @ 2.801

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"Golan" wrote in message
ups.com...
I just receive my gas bill from EDF 100£ for 76 days

I have a small one bedroom flat in London.
I have a wodter combi boiler and my heating is on from 12:00PM until
2:00AM every day = 14 Hours

That's a long time, ours rarely comes on - but we don't have it on the
timer.

and I take one bath a day

Only mucky people have baths.

It is on thermostat for 21 deg, and only two radiators are on.
Bathroom radiator and living room.

Do you live in the bathroom?

21 is uncomfortably hight. Ours is 10 degrees. I know that's low for most
people but it rarely needs to be warmer, if the day is cold we put on a
jumper or other warmer clothes.


Is it looking normal for you???

Your heating isn't what I consider normal ...

What is the bills price others got this year?
If those are the prices for Gas I don't want to think how much a 3
bedroom house will pay. It looks like heating by gas isn't worth it
any more

We have a three bedroomed house in Yorkshire - colder than London. Our
quarterly gas bill is £75 (dd but we're in credit). That's with British Gas,
which everyone says is the most expensive but we can't see the point in
changing.

We have gas hob cooking, a gas boiler for central heating and hot water (not
a combi nor a condensing) and two gas fires. We also have a solar water
heating panel but of course that doesn't work every day.

We have excellent loft insulation, cavity wall insulation and double
glazing.

Our house is warm although the radiators are seldom warm.

Mary

My partner cannot tolerate the house cooler than 21°C (I have tried!).
He wears a vest, shirt and fleece & normal trousers etc

I am also in London, in a well-insulated, double-glazed 3-bedroomed
semi. I *hate* showers but take only 1 or 2 baths per week.

My last gas bill (British Gas) was around £145 for 3 months. I think £11
per week is reasonable for our usage.

--
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Edgware.

"Mary Fisher" wrote in message
t...

We have a three bedroomed house in Yorkshire - colder than London. Our
quarterly gas bill is £75 (dd but we're in credit). That's with British
Gas, which everyone says is the most expensive but we can't see the point
in changing.

Oh Mary!! the point is to save some dosh!
It is very little hassle to switch, really!

Sparks...

Seems normal if you overuse the heating like that.

LOL ours has been on 24/7 since around October...

"Golan" wrote in message
ups.com...

Brian Sharrock wrote:
"Kaiser Sose" wrote in message
...
But eh. Inflation is only 2.9% mate. Or so Gordon ****face says
anyway.
he should live in teh real world.

"Golan" wrote in message
ups.com...
I just receive my gas bill from EDF 100£ for 76 days

I have a small one bedroom flat in London.
I have a wodter combi boiler and my heating is on from 12:00PM until
2:00AM every day = 14 Hours and I take one bath a day
It is on thermostat for 21 deg, and only two radiators are on.
Bathroom radiator and living room. All the rest are off.
Boiler set to 75 Degrees for the radiators.....

My bill is for 103 units witch is 3234 Kwh.

First 1220=3.93£
Next 2023=3.472£



I can't understand the pricing units you've utilised;- it's normal in
English isage to write £3.93
and £3.47 rather than the way you've written it.
Do you intend to convey that a 'unit' (KwH) is actually nearly four
Pounds?
My bills indicate £0..0495 and £0.02821 per unit [First and Subsequent]
in real-money terms that's approximately a shilling per unit then sixpence
per unit.

My usage is running at £0.21 ~ £0.47 per day;

--

Brian

It is 3 Pounds and 93 pens for the first 1220 Kwh
and 2 Pounds ans 23 pens for the rest...


You'll have to explain the discrepancy between " I just receive my gas bill
from EDF 100£ for 76 days" and "It is 3 Pounds and 93 pens for the first
1220 Kwh
and 2 Pounds ans 23 pens for the rest..." . AIUI; (£3.93 + £2.23) £100.

{Please utilise standard method of writing British currency £#,##n.nn}

--

Brian

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Sparks wrote:
It is 3 Pounds and 93 pens for the first 1220 Kwh
and 2 Pounds ans 23 pens for the rest...

Are you sure about that, that would mean you have to spend £4794.60
before you go onto the cheaper rate.

It would be far far far more believable if it was 3.93p per unit rather
than £3.93 This would equate to an effective standing charge of £20.74,
wich sounds about right.

What does it actually say on the bill?

I've just paid mine so have the bill handy.
BG
First 1290kWh @ 4.959p
Rest @ 2.801

Assuming "Golan" is actually paying 3.93p and 2.23p then you are getting
robbed :-)

You may want to pay this a visit
http://www.uswitch.com/landingpages/...=champagne~mse

You get free Champaign too :-)

Sparks...

You may want to pay this a visit
http://www.uswitch.com/landingpages/...=champagne~mse

Might work out cheaper if you also tick the "social tariffs" option, and
"show suppliers you can't change to via uswitch" - you'll get to see
Equigas and Equipower listed as well then...

alternatively...

http://www.ebico.co.uk

....the only supplier I know who actually state the price per unit you'll
pay in a meaningful way, no standing charge, and a flat rate per unit.

Sure, it might work out a little more if you're in a large house heating
a swimming pool, but then the tariff isn't aimed at those customers.

On 2007-01-18, Golan wrote:
I just receive my gas bill from EDF 100£ for 76 days

I have a small one bedroom flat in London.
I have a wodter combi boiler and my heating is on from 12:00PM until
2:00AM every day = 14 Hours and I take one bath a day
It is on thermostat for 21 deg, and only two radiators are on.
Bathroom radiator and living room. All the rest are off.
Boiler set to 75 Degrees for the radiators.....

My bill is for 103 units witch is 3234 Kwh.

First 1220=3.93£
Next 2023=3.472£

Is it looking normal for you???
What is the bills price others got this year?
If those are the prices for Gas I don't want to think how much a 3
bedroom house will pay. It looks like heating by gas isn't worth it
any more

Is this an estimated 3234 kWh which the gas company may have
over-estimated? Or did you really use that amount of energy (i.e. is
the bill based on a real meter reading)?

3234 kWh from gas over 76 days should cost about £100 (that's what it
would cost on my tarriff [1]). So if you really used 3234 kHh your bill
looks about right.

The bill sounds OK-ish but a little too high for a well-heated small flat
in town but the flat may not be well insulated so it isn't outrageous.

3234 kWh is about 292 cubic metres of gas. That's about 103 units in
"hundreds of cubic feet" so it looks like your meter reads in HCF,
not m^3. That looks fine.

The only two issues may be:

- is the bill an estimate or is it real?

- if it's real then you are paying the right amount and you may wish to
look at insulation or other energy-saving measures if the amount is too
large for you.

[1] My tarriff is 3.559 pence per kWh for the first 4572 kWH per year
(i.e. for about 952 kWh over 76 days) and 2.830 pence per kWh for
the rest. It isn't the cheapest round here any more and I should
switch (it's also not the most expensive).

--
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On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 21:44:50 GMT, Helen Deborah Vecht
wrote:

My partner cannot tolerate the house cooler than 21°C (I have tried!).
He wears a vest, shirt and fleece & normal trousers etc


He should see the doctor who might advise him to move to a warmer
climate.
no, seriously to not be able to tolerate less than 21 indoors is
crazy. Does he never go out? How does he cope outside? If he is ill
then can you claim some heating allowance?

I am also in London, in a well-insulated, double-glazed 3-bedroomed
semi. I *hate* showers but take only 1 or 2 baths per week.

My last gas bill (British Gas) was around £145 for 3 months. I think £11
per week is reasonable for our usage.
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in 609860 20070119 084803 mogga wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 21:44:50 GMT, Helen Deborah Vecht
wrote:

My partner cannot tolerate the house cooler than 21°C (I have tried!).
He wears a vest, shirt and fleece & normal trousers etc


He should see the doctor who might advise him to move to a warmer
climate.
no, seriously to not be able to tolerate less than 21 indoors is
crazy. Does he never go out? How does he cope outside? If he is ill
then can you claim some heating allowance?

There is a big difference between walking around outside in winter
clothing and sitting in an armchair in normal indoor dress.

I used to look after the computer which controlled the heating & aircon for a
large office block and if the temperature dropped below 20degC then
the complaints started coming in.

Colin Wilson wrote:
You may want to pay this a visit
http://www.uswitch.com/landingpages/...=champagne~mse

Might work out cheaper if you also tick the "social tariffs" option, and
"show suppliers you can't change to via uswitch" - you'll get to see
Equigas and Equipower listed as well then...

alternatively...

http://www.ebico.co.uk

...the only supplier I know who actually state the price per unit you'll
pay in a meaningful way, no standing charge, and a flat rate per unit.

Sure, it might work out a little more if you're in a large house heating
a swimming pool, but then the tariff isn't aimed at those customers.

I'm with EIBCO and my annual gas bill is around £300. We have gas
heating for our three bedroom house, but cook with elec.

Thermostat is set to about 19, but SWMBO turns it up to 22 or even 23
when I'm out!! I come back from work and it's like a fecking sauna, but
will she wear a sweater? I am often to be seen in a t-shirt in the
house in the depths of winter!

We only use the downstairs rads, apart from a small one on the landing
that is apparently required to be on the way the system is set up.

mogga wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 21:44:50 GMT, Helen Deborah Vecht
wrote:

My partner cannot tolerate the house cooler than 21°C (I have tried!).
He wears a vest, shirt and fleece & normal trousers etc


He should see the doctor who might advise him to move to a warmer
climate.
no, seriously to not be able to tolerate less than 21 indoors is
crazy. Does he never go out? How does he cope outside? If he is ill
then can you claim some heating allowance?

I am also in London, in a well-insulated, double-glazed 3-bedroomed
semi. I *hate* showers but take only 1 or 2 baths per week.

My last gas bill (British Gas) was around £145 for 3 months. I think £11
per week is reasonable for our usage.

Why would you be with British Gas, they are demonstrably the MOST
EXPENSIVE domestic gas provider!

On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 21:44:50 GMT someone who may be Helen Deborah
Vecht wrote this:-

My last gas bill (British Gas) was around £145 for 3 months. I think £11
per week is reasonable for our usage.

It would be worth you taking a look at
http://www.ebico.co.uk/en/open/pages/gastariffsen.php and seeing
what they would charge, provided you are happy with their philosophy
as outlined at http://www.ebico.co.uk/


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