I have two double glazed windows with the same problem. Water doesn't
drain out and it builds up and eventually comes through the seal as in

http://home.btconnect.com/creigiau/i...dow/window.jpg

where it's marked in red

I have taken one (the small one) apart and cleaned it and thought I'd
sorted it but it still leaks when it rains - I think you can possibly
see rain on the picture there but the quality's not that good.

Why isn't the water draining away? What can I do?

Thanks
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John Kelly wrote:
I have two double glazed windows with the same problem. Water doesn't
drain out and it builds up and eventually comes through the seal as in

http://home.btconnect.com/creigiau/i...dow/window.jpg

where it's marked in red

I have taken one (the small one) apart and cleaned it and thought I'd
sorted it but it still leaks when it rains - I think you can possibly
see rain on the picture there but the quality's not that good.

Why isn't the water draining away? What can I do?

Thanks
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It's not a question of water draining away, it shouldn't have a way in
to start with. A seal has perished somewhere I would think.
If they're wooden (I can't really tell from the pic), it's possible you
have some rot and the rain is soaking through the frames.

Stuart Noble wrote:
John Kelly wrote:
I have two double glazed windows with the same problem. Water doesn't
drain out and it builds up and eventually comes through the seal as in

http://home.btconnect.com/creigiau/i...dow/window.jpg

where it's marked in red

I have taken one (the small one) apart and cleaned it and thought I'd
sorted it but it still leaks when it rains - I think you can possibly
see rain on the picture there but the quality's not that good.

Why isn't the water draining away? What can I do?

It's not a question of water draining away, it shouldn't have a way in
to start with. A seal has perished somewhere I would think.
If they're wooden (I can't really tell from the pic), it's possible you
have some rot and the rain is soaking through the frames.

They're uPVC. The one is fairly old (8 - 10 years I think) whereas the
other one is new but very badly fitted. The builder has since emigrated
so I can't do much about that except replace it or rather replace the seals.

Thanks
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John Kelly wrote:
I have two double glazed windows with the same problem. Water doesn't
drain out and it builds up and eventually comes through the seal as in

http://home.btconnect.com/creigiau/i...dow/window.jpg

where it's marked in red

I have taken one (the small one) apart and cleaned it and thought I'd
sorted it but it still leaks when it rains - I think you can possibly
see rain on the picture there but the quality's not that good.

Why isn't the water draining away? What can I do?

Thanks
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On second thoughts, are they sliding sashes? Could be that the rain is
simply blowing under the bottom sash and through the staff bead/frame joint

On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 14:04:54 +0000, John Kelly
wrote:

I have two double glazed windows with the same problem. Water doesn't
drain out and it builds up and eventually comes through the seal as in

http://home.btconnect.com/creigiau/i...dow/window.jpg

where it's marked in red

I have taken one (the small one) apart and cleaned it and thought I'd
sorted it but it still leaks when it rains - I think you can possibly
see rain on the picture there but the quality's not that good.

Why isn't the water draining away? What can I do?

Thanks

Are you sure it's not condensation ? My substantial wood front door has a fair
amount of water sitting at the bottom of the lower panels on particularly cold
nights.

Andy

Andy Cap wrote:
On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 14:04:54 +0000, John Kelly
wrote:

I have two double glazed windows with the same problem. Water doesn't
drain out and it builds up and eventually comes through the seal as in

http://home.btconnect.com/creigiau/i...dow/window.jpg

where it's marked in red

I have taken one (the small one) apart and cleaned it and thought I'd
sorted it but it still leaks when it rains - I think you can possibly
see rain on the picture there but the quality's not that good.

Why isn't the water draining away? What can I do?

Are you sure it's not condensation ? My substantial wood front door has a fair
amount of water sitting at the bottom of the lower panels on particularly cold
nights.

Positive - it's absolutely full in the internal frame bit beneath the glass

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On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 15:47:40 +0000, John Kelly wrote:

Positive - it's absolutely full in the internal frame bit beneath the
glass

There should be drain holes in the bottom section of the frame. These can
either be on the exterior face of the frame and covered with a cap or if
the frame sits on a sill in the base near the front exterior edge so they
drain into the gap between frame an sill.

Do they exist? If so are they blocked with swarf or general gunge?

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Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 15:47:40 +0000, John Kelly wrote:

Positive - it's absolutely full in the internal frame bit beneath the
glass

There should be drain holes in the bottom section of the frame. These can
either be on the exterior face of the frame and covered with a cap or if
the frame sits on a sill in the base near the front exterior edge so they
drain into the gap between frame an sill.

Do they exist? If so are they blocked with swarf or general gunge?

Is it possible to clean them out though? As far as I can make out the
holes are in the frame and then disappear into it. I've tried poking
things down the holes but nothing comes out. I've also tried filling the
frame with water and it does come out of the drainage holes (on the one
window anyway) but when it rains like it does now (heavy against the
window) it seems to fill up and not empty.

John Kelly wrote:
Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 15:47:40 +0000, John Kelly wrote:

Positive - it's absolutely full in the internal frame bit beneath the
glass

There should be drain holes in the bottom section of the frame. These
can either be on the exterior face of the frame and covered with a cap
or if the frame sits on a sill in the base near the front exterior
edge so they drain into the gap between frame an sill.

Do they exist? If so are they blocked with swarf or general gunge?

Is it possible to clean them out though? As far as I can make out the
holes are in the frame and then disappear into it. I've tried poking
things down the holes but nothing comes out. I've also tried filling the
frame with water and it does come out of the drainage holes (on the one
window anyway) but when it rains like it does now (heavy against the
window) it seems to fill up and not empty.

Just thinking aloud - could I drill into the frame to let the water out?

Thanks
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A tap on the bottom of the frame.

Problem cured.


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John Kelly wrote:
Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 15:47:40 +0000, John Kelly wrote:

Positive - it's absolutely full in the internal frame bit beneath the
glass

There should be drain holes in the bottom section of the frame. These
can either be on the exterior face of the frame and covered with a cap
or if the frame sits on a sill in the base near the front exterior
edge so they drain into the gap between frame an sill.

Do they exist? If so are they blocked with swarf or general gunge?

Is it possible to clean them out though? As far as I can make out the
holes are in the frame and then disappear into it. I've tried poking
things down the holes but nothing comes out. I've also tried filling the
frame with water and it does come out of the drainage holes (on the one
window anyway) but when it rains like it does now (heavy against the
window) it seems to fill up and not empty.

Just thinking aloud - could I drill into the frame to let the water out?

Thanks
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On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 19:30:35 +0000, John Kelly wrote:

Is it possible to clean them out though? As far as I can make out the
holes are in the frame and then disappear into it. I've tried poking
things down the holes but nothing comes out.

Poking down? I'd sort of expect the words "up" for bottom drainage or
"in" for face.

but when it rains like it does now (heavy against the window) it seems
to fill up and not empty.

There should be a drain holes in the rebate that the sealed unit sits in.
These take any leakage into the hollow body of the frame and thus to the
bottom or face drain holes.

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Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 19:30:35 +0000, John Kelly wrote:

Is it possible to clean them out though? As far as I can make out the
holes are in the frame and then disappear into it. I've tried poking
things down the holes but nothing comes out.

Poking down? I'd sort of expect the words "up" for bottom drainage or
"in" for face.

I meant poking down from within the frame.

but when it rains like it does now (heavy against the window) it seems
to fill up and not empty.

There should be a drain holes in the rebate that the sealed unit sits in.
These take any leakage into the hollow body of the frame and thus to the
bottom or face drain holes.

So there really should be only minor leakage into this rebate beneath
the glass? I just assumed it was meant to be wet a lot of the time.
Sounds like the problem I've got is that the seals aren't okay so
replacing them may cure the problem....

Where do I get seals? Do they sell that sort of thing in the DIY places?

Thanks
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John Kelly wrote:
Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 19:30:35 +0000, John Kelly wrote:

Is it possible to clean them out though? As far as I can make out the
holes are in the frame and then disappear into it. I've tried poking
things down the holes but nothing comes out.

Poking down? I'd sort of expect the words "up" for bottom drainage or
"in" for face.

I meant poking down from within the frame.

but when it rains like it does now (heavy against the window) it
seems to fill up and not empty.

There should be a drain holes in the rebate that the sealed unit sits
in. These take any leakage into the hollow body of the frame and thus
to the bottom or face drain holes.

So there really should be only minor leakage into this rebate beneath
the glass? I just assumed it was meant to be wet a lot of the time.
Sounds like the problem I've got is that the seals aren't okay so
replacing them may cure the problem....

Where do I get seals? Do they sell that sort of thing in the DIY places?

Thanks

My experiences suggest you're better getting a local dg repair firm in.
Parts are difficult to source, and not cheap when you find them.
I had someone in to replace the bottom panel in a neighbour's door. She
wanted glass replaced with a solid panel and cat flap. They did the job
for little more than the plastic was going to cost me

On Tue, 09 Jan 2007 07:49:01 +0000, John Kelly wrote:

I meant poking down from within the frame.

You need to get outside and check the exterior drain holes be they in the
face or base above the sill (if fitted). If there isn't any sill the you
should have face drains.

So there really should be only minor leakage into this rebate beneath
the glass? I just assumed it was meant to be wet a lot of the time.

Anything that gets in should just drain straight out, obviously droplets
might remain but not channels or frames full of water. Certainly should
be enough to come out of the glazing bead inside.

Looking at that picture that particular glazing bead is a pretty awful
fit. When fitted properly they should look as if they are part of the
frame, no gaps, just a joint line.

Where do I get seals? Do they sell that sort of thing in the DIY
places?

Not normally available in DIY sheds. Trouble is the seals are not
"standard" but vary with make of frame. Best bet is probably to get a
local firm in. Choose one that has been trading for 10 years +, does have
big flashy ads, preferably with local recomendations.

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On 9 Jan 2007 13:19:23 GMT, Huge wrote:

Best bet is probably to get a
local firm in. Choose one that has been trading for 10 years +, does
have big flashy ads, preferably with local recomendations.

I think you omitted the word "not" there somewhere.

Correct. "does NOT have big flashy ads", one could add on TV or printed.

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