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I am considering installing a cylinder and boiler in a garage. I may
use two 3 kilowatt immersions. I need to take some cable from the Consumer Unit to the garage underground. Supplying the boiler, immersion, lights and sockets in there is more than what a direct burial 2.5mm cable can provide. Doubling up two of these cables is cost effective as heavy direct burial cable is expensive. Is it within regs to have these cables on one 42A mcb at the CU and take it to a garage CU in the garage and then take all the circuits off the Garage CU? Makes sense to me. Or is it best to have each cable on an mcb at the CU and no garage CU with just two isolators as the cable enters the garage? Any views? TIA |
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Doubling up two of these cables If you mean using conductors in parallel on the same circuit, that is generally frowned on. heavy direct burial cable is expensive. 1.5mm 2 core SWA £0.88/m 2.5mm 2 core SWA £0.91/m 4.0mm 2 core SWA £1.20/m 6.0mm 2 core SWA £1.60/m From http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Main_Ind...SWA/index.html seems proportionately cheaper to me Or is it best to have each cable on an mcb at the CU and no garage CU with just two isolators as the cable enters the garage? If you really want to use multiple cables then that would appear to be a better way of doing it. |
Doubling up underground cable.
Andy Burns wrote: wrote: Doubling up two of these cables If you mean using conductors in parallel on the same circuit, that is generally frowned on. heavy direct burial cable is expensive. 1.5mm 2 core SWA £0.88/m 2.5mm 2 core SWA £0.91/m 4.0mm 2 core SWA £1.20/m 6.0mm 2 core SWA £1.60/m From http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Main_Ind...SWA/index.html seems proportionately cheaper to me Or is it best to have each cable on an mcb at the CU and no garage CU with just two isolators as the cable enters the garage? If you really want to use multiple cables then that would appear to be a better way of doing it. Thanks Andy. The 6mm 3 core will be difficult to bend. I intend to take the cable up from the ground and through the wall. Dark coloured plastic conduit will make it neater rising and going through the wall. Do you have any recommendations on the conduit to use? TIA. |
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Doubling up underground cable.
Andy Burns wrote:
wrote: Doubling up two of these cables If you mean using conductors in parallel on the same circuit, that is generally frowned on. But is this any different from a ring main in essence? heavy direct burial cable is expensive. 1.5mm 2 core SWA £0.88/m 2.5mm 2 core SWA £0.91/m 4.0mm 2 core SWA £1.20/m 6.0mm 2 core SWA £1.60/m From http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Main_Ind...SWA/index.html seems proportionately cheaper to me Or is it best to have each cable on an mcb at the CU and no garage CU with just two isolators as the cable enters the garage? If you really want to use multiple cables then that would appear to be a better way of doing it. Agreed. Steve. |
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Doubling up underground cable.
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wrote: Doubling up two of these cables is cost effective as heavy direct burial cable is expensive. Good grief. At TLC prices 2.5mm TW&E is 0.97 gbp a metre. Assuming you want twice the current carrying capacity, 6mm SWA is 1.60 a metre. And TW&E will require additional protection. Seems to me you've been listening to 'two combis' dribble too much. -- *If you remember the '60s, you weren't really there Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Doubling up underground cable.
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article m, wrote: Doubling up two of these cables is cost effective as heavy direct burial cable is expensive. Good grief. At TLC prices 2.5mm TW&E is 0.97 gbp a metre. Assuming you want twice the current carrying capacity, 6mm SWA is 1.60 a metre. And TW&E will require additional protection. Seems to me you've been listening to 'two combis' dribble too much. I was wondering how the heating pipes were going to be laid between the house and the garage, if the boiler is going to be used to heat the house. Adam |
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Doubling up underground cable.
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article m, wrote: Doubling up two of these cables is cost effective as heavy direct burial cable is expensive. Good You need to eff off. This is for your own good. |
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Doctor Drivel wrote: "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article m, wrote: Doubling up two of these cables is cost effective as heavy direct burial cable is expensive. Good You need to eff off. This is for your own good. You need to seek treatment if your only contribution to a thread is this. We all know you had some form of breakdown when you threatened to 'set' the police on me. Perhaps it's time to go back to the doctor. -- *Of course I'm against sin; I'm against anything that I'm too old to enjoy. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article ews.net, Doctor Drivel wrote: "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article m, wrote: Doubling up two of these cables is cost effective as heavy direct burial cable is expensive. Good You need to eff off. This is for your own good. You You really do need to eff off. It will do you the world of good. |
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Doctor Drivel wrote: "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article ews.net, Doctor Drivel wrote: "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article m, wrote: Doubling up two of these cables is cost effective as heavy direct burial cable is expensive. Good You need to eff off. This is for your own good. You You really do need to eff off. It will do you the world of good. I agree. Dave Plowman should eff off as he is only of nusiance value. |
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ARWadsworth wrote: "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article m, wrote: Doubling up two of these cables is cost effective as heavy direct burial cable is expensive. Good grief. At TLC prices 2.5mm TW&E is 0.97 gbp a metre. Assuming you want twice the current carrying capacity, 6mm SWA is 1.60 a metre. And TW&E will require additional protection. Seems to me you've been listening to 'two combis' dribble too much. I was wondering how the heating pipes were going to be laid between the house and the garage, if the boiler is going to be used to heat the house. Adam Thanks to all. I will use one 6mm cable and a garage CU. I assume this can enter via an angled hole through the footings rather than up from the ground and through the wall. Is that so? I am thinking of taking the water pipes underground through a 110mm plastic pipe, with the water pipes being plastic, fully insulated and 500 mm deep. It will be simple enough to do, apart from some digging, and save a lot of space in the house. It looks to be well worth it for the space gains. Thanks and happy new year to everyone on uk.d-i-y. |
Doubling up underground cable.
Another minor point. If the mains water pipe enters a detached garage,
then underground to the main house will it need a stop cock entering the house as well as the garage? |
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Doubling up underground cable.
On 2007-01-01 19:36:46 +0000, "Doctor Drivel" said:
"Andy Hall" wrote in message ... On 2007-01-01 18:13:24 +0000, said: A few tips here (because I've done it).... - 110mm pipe will not be large enough to fit two 22mm pipes with a respectable amount of insulation. The recommended amount of insulation is at least the diameter of the pipes so this comes to 66mm all up for each one. Standard insulation thicknesses appear to be 9, 13, 19 and 25mm. You would have to go down to 9mm, which is not enough. I used 160mm and there was then plenty of room. - I used plastic barrier pipe in coil form and threaded it through so that there were no joints in the underground section. There needed to be one pipe elbow at one end and two at the other. To assemble everything, it proved easiest to insulate and tape each pipe and then to tape the two together at regular intervals to make a bundle. This was easy to thread through the underground soil pipe. The elbows were put on afterwards with the pipe having been warmed wih hot water first. It's much easier this way than trying to thread the individual pipes through or to push or pull the bundle though. Matt, you have been on the new years pop. Boot on other foot or in mouth? You said you taped the pipes together and pushed it through. Is that so? You can get larger plastic undergound pipes than 110mm. Put on the thickest lagging you can and fill the large conduit pipe with vermiculite. It would be beneficial to cover the underground conduit pipe with underground Jablite foam to prevent heat loss to the colder earth on the top of the pipe. Why don't you read the post before commenting? 1) I proposed insulating each pipe first, *then* taping the two insulated pipes together. The latter was simply for convenience of threading the pipes through the drainage pipe. If you try to feed them separately, the insulation sleeves inevitably rub against one another over part of the way and it becomes difficult to push the second pipe through. How do I know this? It's what I tried to begin with. In the end, I took out the single first pipe and taped the pair together. After that, feeding the bundled pipe through was easy. 2) I suggested use of 160mm pipe precisely because it allows more insulation around the pipes. 3) Have you ever done any of this? |
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"Andy Hall" wrote in message ... On 2007-01-01 19:36:46 +0000, "Doctor Drivel" said: "Andy Hall" wrote in message ... On 2007-01-01 18:13:24 +0000, said: A few tips here (because I've done it).... - 110mm pipe will not be large enough to fit two 22mm pipes with a respectable amount of insulation. The recommended amount of insulation is at least the diameter of the pipes so this comes to 66mm all up for each one. Standard insulation thicknesses appear to be 9, 13, 19 and 25mm. You would have to go down to 9mm, which is not enough. I used 160mm and there was then plenty of room. - I used plastic barrier pipe in coil form and threaded it through so that there were no joints in the underground section. There needed to be one pipe elbow at one end and two at the other. To assemble everything, it proved easiest to insulate and tape each pipe and then to tape the two together at regular intervals to make a bundle. This was easy to thread through the underground soil pipe. The elbows were put on afterwards with the pipe having been warmed wih hot water first. It's much easier this way than trying to thread the individual pipes through or to push or pull the bundle though. Matt, you have been on the new years pop. Boot on other foot or in mouth? You said you taped the pipes together and pushed it through. Is that so? You can get larger plastic undergound pipes than 110mm. Put on the thickest lagging you can and fill the large conduit pipe with vermiculite. It would be beneficial to cover the underground conduit pipe with underground Jablite foam to prevent heat loss to the colder earth on the top of the pipe. Why don't you read the post before commenting? 1) I proposed insulating each pipe first, *then* taping the two insulated pipes together. The latter was simply for convenience of threading the pipes through the drainage pipe. If you try to feed them separately, the insulation sleeves inevitably rub against one another over part of the way and it becomes difficult to push the second pipe through. How do I know this? It's what I tried to begin with. In the end, I took out the single first pipe and taped the pair together. After that, feeding the bundled pipe through was easy. 2) I suggested use of 160mm pipe precisely because it allows more insulation around the pipes. 3) Have you ever done any of this? Matt, not like you I'm glad to say. |
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On 2007-01-01 22:29:22 +0000, "Doctor Drivel" said:
"Andy Hall" wrote in message ... On 2007-01-01 19:36:46 +0000, "Doctor Drivel" said: "Andy Hall" wrote in message ... On 2007-01-01 18:13:24 +0000, said: A few tips here (because I've done it).... - 110mm pipe will not be large enough to fit two 22mm pipes with a respectable amount of insulation. The recommended amount of insulation is at least the diameter of the pipes so this comes to 66mm all up for each one. Standard insulation thicknesses appear to be 9, 13, 19 and 25mm. You would have to go down to 9mm, which is not enough. I used 160mm and there was then plenty of room. - I used plastic barrier pipe in coil form and threaded it through so that there were no joints in the underground section. There needed to be one pipe elbow at one end and two at the other. To assemble everything, it proved easiest to insulate and tape each pipe and then to tape the two together at regular intervals to make a bundle. This was easy to thread through the underground soil pipe. The elbows were put on afterwards with the pipe having been warmed wih hot water first. It's much easier this way than trying to thread the individual pipes through or to push or pull the bundle though. Matt, you have been on the new years pop. Boot on other foot or in mouth? You said you taped the pipes together and pushed it through. Is that so? You can get larger plastic undergound pipes than 110mm. Put on the thickest lagging you can and fill the large conduit pipe with vermiculite. It would be beneficial to cover the underground conduit pipe with underground Jablite foam to prevent heat loss to the colder earth on the top of the pipe. Why don't you read the post before commenting? 1) I proposed insulating each pipe first, *then* taping the two insulated pipes together. The latter was simply for convenience of threading the pipes through the drainage pipe. If you try to feed them separately, the insulation sleeves inevitably rub against one another over part of the way and it becomes difficult to push the second pipe through. How do I know this? It's what I tried to begin with. In the end, I took out the single first pipe and taped the pair together. After that, feeding the bundled pipe through was easy. 2) I suggested use of 160mm pipe precisely because it allows more insulation around the pipes. 3) Have you ever done any of this? Matt, not like you I'm glad to say. Not like anything, as far as I can make out.... Of course, we don't need to remind everyone of the "little incident" with the plastic pipe and the hacksaw, do we? That seems to be your one and only excursion from the armchair. |
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On Mon, 1 Jan 2007 22:33:52 +0000, Andy Hall
wrote: Of course, we don't need to remind everyone of the "little incident" with the plastic pipe and the hacksaw, do we? That seems to be your one and only excursion from the armchair. What "was" this incident? I've seen plenty of references to it, but I must've missed the original, since a certain person is kf'd and I only see responses to his postings ... -- Frank Erskine |
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On 2007-01-01 23:24:05 +0000, Frank Erskine
said: On Mon, 1 Jan 2007 22:33:52 +0000, Andy Hall wrote: Of course, we don't need to remind everyone of the "little incident" with the plastic pipe and the hacksaw, do we? That seems to be your one and only excursion from the armchair. What "was" this incident? I've seen plenty of references to it, but I must've missed the original, since a certain person is kf'd and I only see responses to his postings ... A cause celebre.. Well.... the short version is that he claims that he was doing some plumbing repair for a neighbour, friend,... involving the use of some plastic push-fit plumbing fittings. All of the manufacturers of these things specify that a proper pipe cutter (slicing type, with or without ratchet) should be used. Our friend didn't have one of these and used a hacksaw instead. The net result was that a substantial ****ing of water ensued followed by an attempt to blame the manufacturer. Suffice it to say that he has never lived down his one and only attempt at practical DIY. |
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"Andy Hall" wrote in message ... On 2007-01-01 22:29:22 +0000, "Doctor Drivel" said: "Andy Hall" wrote in message ... On 2007-01-01 19:36:46 +0000, "Doctor Drivel" said: "Andy Hall" wrote in message ... On 2007-01-01 18:13:24 +0000, said: A few tips here (because I've done it).... - 110mm pipe will not be large enough to fit two 22mm pipes with a respectable amount of insulation. The recommended amount of insulation is at least the diameter of the pipes so this comes to 66mm all up for each one. Standard insulation thicknesses appear to be 9, 13, 19 and 25mm. You would have to go down to 9mm, which is not enough. I used 160mm and there was then plenty of room. - I used plastic barrier pipe in coil form and threaded it through so that there were no joints in the underground section. There needed to be one pipe elbow at one end and two at the other. To assemble everything, it proved easiest to insulate and tape each pipe and then to tape the two together at regular intervals to make a bundle. This was easy to thread through the underground soil pipe. The elbows were put on afterwards with the pipe having been warmed wih hot water first. It's much easier this way than trying to thread the individual pipes through or to push or pull the bundle though. Matt, you have been on the new years pop. Boot on other foot or in mouth? You said you taped the pipes together and pushed it through. Is that so? You can get larger plastic undergound pipes than 110mm. Put on the thickest lagging you can and fill the large conduit pipe with vermiculite. It would be beneficial to cover the underground conduit pipe with underground Jablite foam to prevent heat loss to the colder earth on the top of the pipe. Why don't you read the post before commenting? 1) I proposed insulating each pipe first, *then* taping the two insulated pipes together. The latter was simply for convenience of threading the pipes through the drainage pipe. If you try to feed them separately, the insulation sleeves inevitably rub against one another over part of the way and it becomes difficult to push the second pipe through. How do I know this? It's what I tried to begin with. In the end, I took out the single first pipe and taped the pair together. After that, feeding the bundled pipe through was easy. 2) I suggested use of 160mm pipe precisely because it allows more insulation around the pipes. 3) Have you ever done any of this? Matt, not like you I'm glad to say. Not like anything, as far as I can make out.... Matt, you know nothing about these things. snip tripe by Matt |
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On Mon, 1 Jan 2007 23:53:18 +0000, Andy Hall
wrote: On 2007-01-01 23:24:05 +0000, Frank Erskine said: On Mon, 1 Jan 2007 22:33:52 +0000, Andy Hall wrote: Of course, we don't need to remind everyone of the "little incident" with the plastic pipe and the hacksaw, do we? That seems to be your one and only excursion from the armchair. What "was" this incident? I've seen plenty of references to it, but I must've missed the original, since a certain person is kf'd and I only see responses to his postings ... A cause celebre.. Well.... the short version is that he claims that he was doing some plumbing repair for a neighbour, friend,... involving the use of some plastic push-fit plumbing fittings. All of the manufacturers of these things specify that a proper pipe cutter (slicing type, with or without ratchet) should be used. Our friend didn't have one of these and used a hacksaw instead. The net result was that a substantial ****ing of water ensued followed by an attempt to blame the manufacturer. The manufacturer of the hacksaw? Wonderful, innit - especially as a pipe slicer probably costs less than a hacksaw. I'm sure that in the last ten years or so I've used a pipe slicer (or a pipe cutter) more than I've used a hacksaw (at least for "domestic" jobs). Is DD's neighbour still a friend? Or his his "friend" still a neighbour? -- Frank Erskine Sunderland |
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"Andy Hall" wrote in message ... On 2007-01-01 23:24:05 +0000, Frank Erskine What "was" this incident? I've seen plenty of references to it, but I must've missed the original, since a certain person is kf'd and I only see responses to his postings ... A cause celebre.. Oh Matt is prattling tanked up...he goes on... Well.... the short version is that he claims that he was doing some plumbing repair for a neighbour, friend,... Matt, yes. involving the use of some plastic push-fit plumbing fittings. All of the manufacturers of these things specify that a proper pipe cutter (slicing type, with or without ratchet) should be used. Matt, they do not. Hepworth posted on here and said you do not have to. Matt, goes on....inanely..... Our friend didn't have one of these and used a hacksaw instead. Matt. but trimmed off to a perfect unburred squared end, as an am the ultimate craftsman - as Hepworth said you can do Matt - remember.... He can't at his age. Matt continues to ramble away full of new year cheer..... The net result was that a substantial ****ing of water ensued followed by an attempt to blame the manufacturer. Matt, wrong again. The olive was pushed out by the pipe - you know this Matt. Sirry irriot - Matt. Common occurence on plastic pushfits, one of the reasons professionals don't use them...but Matt does....all the time. Prefessionals tend to use brass compression on plastic pipes. His house must be like the house that Jack (sorry Matt) built. |
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On Mon, 01 Jan 2007 23:24:05 +0000, Frank Erskine wrote:
What "was" this incident? I've seen plenty of references to it, but I must've missed the original, since a certain person is kf'd and I only see responses to his postings ... He tried to use pushfit fittings and plastic tube. Despite the clear instructions from the maker to use a pipe cutter and to *not* use a hacksaw to cut the tube, Drivel used a hacksaw to cut the tube. Then the fitting leaked. Drivel blamed this on the manufacturer of the fitting. OTOH experience of everyone here was that if a tube has burrs on it (caused by using a hacksaw) the burrs will scratch the sealing O-ring in the push-fit fitting and cause a leak, or worse the burred tube will displace the O-ring from its location and cause a massive leak. Drivel has ever since argued that he is right and everyone else including the manufacturer is wrong. Total number of people reading this group who have had problems with pushfit, 1. Drivel and no one else. I've just finished plumbing a barn using 100% pushfit. It was fast, easy and using a decent tube cutter (cost £12) I was able to get through the job far faster than I could install copper tube. BTW, when challenged about this Drivel gets nasty and starts to call others "amateurs". This from a man who didn't possess a plastic tube cutter, or to be honest a clue. |
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"Frank Erskine" wrote in message ... I'm sure that in the last ten years or so I've used a pipe slicer (or a pipe cutter) more than I've used a hacksaw (at least for "domestic" jobs). A pipe slicer on plastic pipe? http://tinyurl.com/ydmzuw Not another one!!!!! |
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"Steve Firth" wrote in message ... On Mon, 01 Jan 2007 23:24:05 +0000, Frank Erskine wrote: What "was" this incident? I've seen plenty of references to it, but I must've missed the original, since a certain person is kf'd and I only see responses to his postings ... He Please eff off as you are a total plantpot, many on the group think so: http://tinyurl.com/y862g3 You are very popular indeed. For your own good it is best you eff off. |
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wrote in message ups.com... Another minor point. If the mains water pipe enters a detached garage, then underground to the main house will it need a stop cock entering the house as well as the garage? Yes. |
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Steve Firth wrote: BTW, when challenged about this Drivel gets nasty and starts to call others "amateurs". This from a man who didn't possess a plastic tube cutter, or to be honest a clue. Yes. It's always struck me as strange that dribble has claimed at various times to be a heating engineer of many years experience, but is always going on about the new cheap tools he's just bought. And of course not having a plastic pipe cutter. Even worse not having the skill to cut plastic pipe and trim the end properly without one - as say in an emergency. Notice the similarity with 'timegoesby'? He claims to make a living out of doing up houses for sale - yet seems to regularly ask the most basic of questions. And doesn't seem to know the cost of materials. And has the same sort of poor English. Methinks they may share socks... -- *No sentence fragments * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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In message , Frank Erskine
writes On Mon, 1 Jan 2007 23:53:18 +0000, Andy Hall wrote: A cause celebre.. Well.... the short version is that he claims that he was doing some plumbing repair for a neighbour, friend,... involving the use of some plastic push-fit plumbing fittings. All of the manufacturers of these things specify that a proper pipe cutter (slicing type, with or without ratchet) should be used. Our friend didn't have one of these and used a hacksaw instead. The net result was that a substantial ****ing of water ensued followed by an attempt to blame the manufacturer. The manufacturer of the hacksaw? Wonderful, innit - especially as a pipe slicer probably costs less than a hacksaw. I'm sure that in the last ten years or so I've used a pipe slicer (or a pipe cutter) more than I've used a hacksaw (at least for "domestic" jobs). Is DD's neighbour still a friend? Or his his "friend" still a neighbour? He prolly never sees the neighbour now as a) he's been sectioned and b) his neighbour has now (of necessity) become an Olympic swimmer) -- geoff |
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On Tue, 02 Jan 2007 01:05:18 +0000 (GMT), Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Notice the similarity with 'timegoesby'? He claims to make a living out of doing up houses for sale - yet seems to regularly ask the most basic of questions. And doesn't seem to know the cost of materials. And has the same sort of poor English. Methinks they may share socks... There's no doubt that they are the same person. He's made several slips in the past by responding in the wrong persona. There's another sock as well, that one chooses to make false representations about some sort of engine snake oil. He claims that this product is used by Lancashire police. What he didn't know is that I work with Lancashire Police at their Hutton Hall Headquarters. I went to the garage to ask about the claim for this "Cataclean" petrol additive and they told me that they had never endorsed the product and that anyone who said they did was not telling the truth. |
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On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 00:53:58 -0000, Doctor Drivel wrote:
wrote in message ups.com... Another minor point. If the mains water pipe enters a detached garage, then underground to the main house will it need a stop cock entering the house as well as the garage? Yes. Talking to yourself Drivel? It's a sign of madness. As to be honest are each of your posts to Usenet. |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article , Steve Firth wrote: BTW, when challenged about this Drivel gets nasty and starts to call others "amateurs". This from a man who didn't possess a plastic tube cutter, or to be honest a clue. Yes. Please eff off as you are a total plantpot |
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"Steve Firth" wrote in message ... Please eff off as you are a total plantpot, many on the group think so: http://tinyurl.com/y862g3 You are very popular indeed. For your own good it is best you eff off. See the nurse. |
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"Steve Firth" wrote in message ... On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 00:53:58 -0000, Doctor Drivel wrote: wrote in message ups.com... Another minor point. If the mains water pipe enters a detached garage, then underground to the main house will it need a stop cock entering the house as well as the garage? Yes. Talking Please eff off as you are a total plantpot, many on the group think so: http://tinyurl.com/y862g3 You are very popular indeed. For your own good it is best you eff off. See the nurse at the clinic. |
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"raden" wrote in message ... b) his neighbour has now (of necessity) become an Olympic swimmer) Maxie, I see you have been banned from DIYNot for spamming. Fabulous Maxie. Fabulous. Are you still drunk? |
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