Hi All

In our new kitchen they've fitted six of the 50w mains halogen
downlighters.
All very pretty - but a right pain to 'see by', unless you happen to
be standing directly under one of the spots ('beam us up, Scotty!')
So - an expensive (300 watt) way to generate light & dark patches g

So - thinking about fitting some 'hidden' fluorescent lighting on top
of the wall-units, so as to bounce light off the walls / ceiling, and
get a better, more diffused, lighting setup.

Only one of the wall units is long enough to 'hide' a 4ft tube - the
others are shorter - between 2' and 3'6"....

So - from a quick search on the web it seems that the common options
in tubular fluorescent are 2ft and 4ft..... which suggests using one
or more of the shorter tubes on top of the shorter cabinets...

Alternatively, what about using a number of compact fluorescents on
top of each cabinet ...? - anybody tried this ? how did it look ? -
was the illumination 'even'

Finally, given a choice, what's the most 'acceptable' colour for the
tubes - as in white, warm white, etc ?

Advice / suggestions please ?

TIA
Adrian

Adrian wrote:

Hi All

In our new kitchen they've fitted six of the 50w mains halogen
downlighters.
All very pretty - but a right pain to 'see by', unless you happen to
be standing directly under one of the spots ('beam us up, Scotty!')
So - an expensive (300 watt) way to generate light & dark patches g

So - thinking about fitting some 'hidden' fluorescent lighting on top
of the wall-units, so as to bounce light off the walls / ceiling, and
get a better, more diffused, lighting setup.

Only one of the wall units is long enough to 'hide' a 4ft tube - the
others are shorter - between 2' and 3'6"....

So - from a quick search on the web it seems that the common options
in tubular fluorescent are 2ft and 4ft..... which suggests using one
or more of the shorter tubes on top of the shorter cabinets...

Alternatively, what about using a number of compact fluorescents on
top of each cabinet ...? - anybody tried this ? how did it look ? -
was the illumination 'even'

Finally, given a choice, what's the most 'acceptable' colour for the
tubes - as in white, warm white, etc ?

Advice / suggestions please ?

TIA
Adrian

There are a couple of sections on here that address your qs
specifically.
http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?title=Rewiring_Tips
I'd stick with 2' tubes rather than 4'.


NT

Hi

On 20 Dec 2006 10:45:35 -0800, wrote:

Adrian wrote:

Hi All

In our new kitchen they've fitted six of the 50w mains halogen
downlighters.
All very pretty - but a right pain to 'see by', unless you happen to
be standing directly under one of the spots ('beam us up, Scotty!')
So - an expensive (300 watt) way to generate light & dark patches g

So - thinking about fitting some 'hidden' fluorescent lighting on top
of the wall-units, so as to bounce light off the walls / ceiling, and
get a better, more diffused, lighting setup.

Only one of the wall units is long enough to 'hide' a 4ft tube - the
others are shorter - between 2' and 3'6"....

So - from a quick search on the web it seems that the common options
in tubular fluorescent are 2ft and 4ft..... which suggests using one
or more of the shorter tubes on top of the shorter cabinets...

Alternatively, what about using a number of compact fluorescents on
top of each cabinet ...? - anybody tried this ? how did it look ? -
was the illumination 'even'

Finally, given a choice, what's the most 'acceptable' colour for the
tubes - as in white, warm white, etc ?

Advice / suggestions please ?

TIA
Adrian

There are a couple of sections on here that address your qs
specifically.
http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?title=Rewiring_Tips
I'd stick with 2' tubes rather than 4'.

Thanks for the link.
OK - now I know more (than I ever wanted to know ! g) about tubes
and colour temperatures...

So - go for 2ft tubes then.....

I've never done this 'lighs on top of the wall units' thing before -
presumably the best way to determine 'how many' tubes is to actually
try it & see ?
Probably looks better if all wall-units have illumination above them
....?

Thanks
Adrian

On Thu, 21 Dec 2006 10:44:52 +0000, Adrian wrote:

Hi

On 20 Dec 2006 10:45:35 -0800, wrote:

Adrian wrote:

Hi All

In our new kitchen they've fitted six of the 50w mains halogen
downlighters.
All very pretty - but a right pain to 'see by', unless you happen to be
standing directly under one of the spots ('beam us up, Scotty!') So -
an expensive (300 watt) way to generate light & dark patches g

So - thinking about fitting some 'hidden' fluorescent lighting on top
of the wall-units, so as to bounce light off the walls / ceiling, and
get a better, more diffused, lighting setup.

Only one of the wall units is long enough to 'hide' a 4ft tube - the
others are shorter - between 2' and 3'6"....

So - from a quick search on the web it seems that the common options in
tubular fluorescent are 2ft and 4ft..... which suggests using one or
more of the shorter tubes on top of the shorter cabinets...

Alternatively, what about using a number of compact fluorescents on top
of each cabinet ...? - anybody tried this ? how did it look ? - was the
illumination 'even'

Finally, given a choice, what's the most 'acceptable' colour for the
tubes - as in white, warm white, etc ?

Advice / suggestions please ?

TIA
Adrian

There are a couple of sections on here that address your qs specifically.
http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?title=Rewiring_Tips I'd stick with 2'
tubes rather than 4'.

Thanks for the link.
OK - now I know more (than I ever wanted to know ! g) about tubes and
colour temperatures...

So - go for 2ft tubes then.....

I've never done this 'lighs on top of the wall units' thing before -
presumably the best way to determine 'how many' tubes is to actually try
it & see ?
Probably looks better if all wall-units have illumination above them ...?

Thanks
Adrian

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Homebase had some 3' fittings yesterday so they might be worth looking at.

Cic.

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Hi Cicero

On Thu, 21 Dec 2006 12:12:15 GMT, Cicero
wrote:
big snip

So - go for 2ft tubes then.....

I've never done this 'lighs on top of the wall units' thing before -
presumably the best way to determine 'how many' tubes is to actually try
it & see ?
Probably looks better if all wall-units have illumination above them ...?

Thanks
Adrian

===============================
Homebase had some 3' fittings yesterday so they might be worth looking at.

Cic.

Thanks for the suggestion. Never heard of 3ft fittings before - you
live & learn g

I'd be a bit wary of finding that, having bought them, you couldn't
get replacement tubes easily.....

Being 'out in the sticks' here in S-W Ireland, it's a 2 hour drive to
the nearest Homebase - so I'll try the specialist lighting shop in the
next town. Who knows - they might even be clued up on different
'colours' of tubes !

Many thanks
Adrian

In article ,
Adrian writes:
Hi All

In our new kitchen they've fitted six of the 50w mains halogen
downlighters.
All very pretty - but a right pain to 'see by', unless you happen to
be standing directly under one of the spots ('beam us up, Scotty!')
So - an expensive (300 watt) way to generate light & dark patches g

So - thinking about fitting some 'hidden' fluorescent lighting on top
of the wall-units, so as to bounce light off the walls / ceiling, and
get a better, more diffused, lighting setup.

Only one of the wall units is long enough to 'hide' a 4ft tube - the
others are shorter - between 2' and 3'6"....

So - from a quick search on the web it seems that the common options
in tubular fluorescent are 2ft and 4ft..... which suggests using one
or more of the shorter tubes on top of the shorter cabinets...

You could look at using the T4 under cupboard lights on top of
the cupboards (although they aren't that powerful).

Also, there are two relatively new ranges of T5 fluorescent tubes
available now, T5HE (High Efficiency) and T5HO (High Output).
These are available in various long lengths which are not the
same as the older tubes in 1ft multiples, and you might find
a better match for cupboard length. They can only be run from
electronic control gear, and they are similar efficiency to T8's (on
electronic control gear). Being T5, they are lower profile on top of
the cupboards, which may be an advantage. You will have to get tubes
from wholesalers at the moment, as they haven't made inroads into
the domestic market. Check that the colour temperature you want is
available before committing too. Ballasts, endcaps, etc can also be
found mail-order (they use same end-caps as old T5 tubes).

On a single narrow cupboard, I have used a 2-D fluorescent tube,
and recessed this in to the top (in this case, because you would
otherwise see it when stepping down into the kitchen from the
higher dining room).

Alternatively, what about using a number of compact fluorescents on
top of each cabinet ...? - anybody tried this ? how did it look ? -
was the illumination 'even'

I suspect the height of them might be an issue if you want them
to remain hidden.

Finally, given a choice, what's the most 'acceptable' colour for the
tubes - as in white, warm white, etc ?

If you intend to light a kitchen brightly for practical food
preparation use, use 3500K. If you don't want it so bright
(to create more of a warm mood) and/or you will mix with any
filament lamps, use 2700K.

The colour names you quote are not used very consistently, but
2700K is often referred to as warm white, and 3500K as white.
However, a white from different manufacturers could vary from
something like 3400K to 4000K, so don't assume all whites will
be the same (and similarly for the other colour names).

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Adrian wrote:

Hi Cicero

On Thu, 21 Dec 2006 12:12:15 GMT, Cicero
wrote:
big snip

So - go for 2ft tubes then.....

I've never done this 'lighs on top of the wall units' thing before -
presumably the best way to determine 'how many' tubes is to actually try
it & see ?
Probably looks better if all wall-units have illumination above them ...?

Thanks
Adrian

===============================
Homebase had some 3' fittings yesterday so they might be worth looking at.

Cic.

Thanks for the suggestion. Never heard of 3ft fittings before - you
live & learn g

I'd be a bit wary of finding that, having bought them, you couldn't
get replacement tubes easily.....

Being 'out in the sticks' here in S-W Ireland, it's a 2 hour drive to
the nearest Homebase - so I'll try the specialist lighting shop in the
next town. Who knows - they might even be clued up on different
'colours' of tubes !

Many thanks
Adrian

I wouldnt use 3' ers.

If you want to try it out, why not get some 50p lamp holders on flexes,
put cfls in them and bung them up there. Adjust till happy.


NT

Hi NT

On 21 Dec 2006 10:26:26 -0800, wrote:

Adrian wrote:

Hi Cicero

On Thu, 21 Dec 2006 12:12:15 GMT, Cicero
wrote:
big snip

So - go for 2ft tubes then.....

I've never done this 'lighs on top of the wall units' thing before -
presumably the best way to determine 'how many' tubes is to actually try
it & see ?
Probably looks better if all wall-units have illumination above them ...?

Thanks
Adrian

===============================
Homebase had some 3' fittings yesterday so they might be worth looking at.

Cic.

Thanks for the suggestion. Never heard of 3ft fittings before - you
live & learn g

I'd be a bit wary of finding that, having bought them, you couldn't
get replacement tubes easily.....

Being 'out in the sticks' here in S-W Ireland, it's a 2 hour drive to
the nearest Homebase - so I'll try the specialist lighting shop in the
next town. Who knows - they might even be clued up on different
'colours' of tubes !

Many thanks
Adrian

I wouldnt use 3' ers.

If you want to try it out, why not get some 50p lamp holders on flexes,
put cfls in them and bung them up there. Adjust till happy.


Might just do that g
Tried the local lighting shop - they had lots of little
'mini-fluorescent tubes' for mounting under the wall-cabinets - but
nothing in the way of larger units for bouncing light from the top of
cabinets.

CFLs might be the way to go - I have a couple of high-intensity units
that I use for photography - that's somewhere to start.....

Thanks
Adrian
NT

Adrian wrote:
Hi NT

If you want to try it out, why not get some 50p lamp holders on flexes,
put cfls in them and bung them up there. Adjust till happy.

Might just do that g
Tried the local lighting shop - they had lots of little
'mini-fluorescent tubes' for mounting under the wall-cabinets - but
nothing in the way of larger units for bouncing light from the top of
cabinets.

CFLs might be the way to go - I have a couple of high-intensity units
that I use for photography - that's somewhere to start.....

Thanks
Adrian

Once you've got it looking as you want, if you get there, you can
replce them with permament linear fl fittings. Linear fl gives much
longer lamp life, higher efficacy and more even light spread.


NT

HI NT

On 22 Dec 2006 00:54:04 -0800, wrote:

Adrian wrote:
Hi NT

If you want to try it out, why not get some 50p lamp holders on flexes,
put cfls in them and bung them up there. Adjust till happy.

Might just do that g
Tried the local lighting shop - they had lots of little
'mini-fluorescent tubes' for mounting under the wall-cabinets - but
nothing in the way of larger units for bouncing light from the top of
cabinets.

CFLs might be the way to go - I have a couple of high-intensity units
that I use for photography - that's somewhere to start.....

Thanks
Adrian

Once you've got it looking as you want, if you get there, you can
replce them with permament linear fl fittings. Linear fl gives much
longer lamp life, higher efficacy and more even light spread.

OK - that's what I was wondering.....

Just need to find a local supplier - lady from the trendy lighting
shop in town seemed amazed at what I was trying to do - wanted to sell
me those little 'linked' lights - which I don't think would be much
use....

Maybe one of the other suppliers will order them in for me - I'll have
to ask around !

Thanks
Adrian

Adrian wrote:
On 22 Dec 2006 00:54:04 -0800, wrote:

Once you've got it looking as you want, if you get there, you can
replce them with permament linear fl fittings. Linear fl gives much
longer lamp life, higher efficacy and more even light spread.

OK - that's what I was wondering.....

Just need to find a local supplier - lady from the trendy lighting
shop in town seemed amazed at what I was trying to do - wanted to sell
me those little 'linked' lights - which I don't think would be much
use....

Maybe one of the other suppliers will order them in for me - I'll have
to ask around !

Thanks
Adrian

But choose your ballasts and power levels first...


NT