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Heated Towel Rails and Lighting Circuits
Hi all,
is it a big no no to connect a heated towel rail to the lighting circuit?, I am aware of loading issues but there are some quite low wattage rails avilable. Or is this a no no regardless of wattage? Nigel |
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"Nigel" wrote in message ps.com... Hi all, is it a big no no to connect a heated towel rail to the lighting circuit?, I am aware of loading issues but there are some quite low wattage rails avilable. Or is this a no no regardless of wattage? Nigel Hi Man, Don't do it. Mick. Leeds U.K. |
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Nigel wrote: is it a big no no to connect a heated towel rail to the lighting circuit?, I am aware of loading issues but there are some quite low wattage rails avilable. Or is this a no no regardless of wattage? Perfectly ok. Unlike ring main circuits, lighting ones are protected at their maximum continuous rating under any conditions. -- *If I worked as much as others, I would do as little as they * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
is it a big no no to connect a heated towel rail to the lighting circuit? Perfectly ok. Unlike ring main circuits, lighting ones are protected at their maximum continuous rating under any conditions. But it would be worth checking to see whether the lighting circuit is RCD protected would it not? After all, elextricity, water and bathrooms seem to be a very sensitive subject. -- http://gymratz.co.uk - Best Gym Equipment & Bodybuilding Supplements UK. http://trade-price-supplements.co.uk - TRADE PRICED SUPPLEMENTS for ALL! http://fitness-equipment-uk.com - UK's No.1 Fitness Equipment Suppliers. http://Water-Rower.co.uk - Worlds best prices on the Worlds best Rower. |
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"Pet @ www.gymratz.co.uk ;¬)" wrote: is it a big no no to connect a heated towel rail to the lighting circuit? Perfectly ok. Unlike ring main circuits, lighting ones are protected at their maximum continuous rating under any conditions. But it would be worth checking to see whether the lighting circuit is RCD protected would it not? An RCD is really to protect from touching a live wire etc which shouldn't be possible in this case as it will be earthed. After all, elextricity, water and bathrooms seem to be a very sensitive subject. The towel rail, of course, should be properly cross bonded if it falls within that area in the bathroom. -- *OK, so what's the speed of dark? * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Pet @ www.gymratz.co.uk ;¬) wrote:
But it would be worth checking to see whether the lighting circuit is RCD protected would it not? Why? A towel rail would only require RCD protection if installed in Zone 1 (i.e. directly over the bath). In Zone 2 no RCD is required, but the appliance must meet IPX4. In Zone 3 or beyond there are no special requirements at all. The control switch/isolator must be in Zone 3 or beyond, in any case. Don't forget the supplementary bonding. (Note for future Google archive readers: this article will be invalid after 01/06/2008, the expected date by which the 17th Edition of the wiring regs will be in force.) -- Andy |
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
An RCD is really to protect from touching a live wire etc which shouldn't be possible in this case as it will be earthed. The towel rail, of course, should be properly cross bonded if it falls within that area in the bathroom. Ah forgot about that bit. On a similar note... when we bought our 1970's house there was (and still is) an Electric fan heater in the bathroom with 800W, 1200W & 1800W settings, this _was_ wired to the lighting circuit and an original standard fitment fuse box in the garage. Not a great combination really. -- http://gymratz.co.uk - Best Gym Equipment & Bodybuilding Supplements UK. http://trade-price-supplements.co.uk - TRADE PRICED SUPPLEMENTS for ALL! http://fitness-equipment-uk.com - UK's No.1 Fitness Equipment Suppliers. http://Water-Rower.co.uk - Worlds best prices on the Worlds best Rower. |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article , "Pet @ www.gymratz.co.uk ;¬)" wrote: is it a big no no to connect a heated towel rail to the lighting circuit? Perfectly ok. Unlike ring main circuits, lighting ones are protected at their maximum continuous rating under any conditions. But it would be worth checking to see whether the lighting circuit is RCD protected would it not? An RCD is really to protect from touching a live wire etc which shouldn't be possible in this case as it will be earthed. After all, elextricity, water and bathrooms seem to be a very sensitive subject. The towel rail, of course, should be properly cross bonded if it falls within that area in the bathroom. -- *OK, so what's the speed of dark? * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. Put it on it's own ring. like a shower. Micky |
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micky savage wrote: Put it on it's own ring. like a shower. If your shower is on a ring get a decent electrician in pronto. -- *When did my wild oats turn to prunes and all bran? Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article , micky savage wrote: Put it on it's own ring. like a shower. If your shower is on a ring get a decent electrician in pronto. -- *When did my wild oats turn to prunes and all bran? Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. Good call Dave I meant fusing device. Regards. Mick |
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micky savage wrote: "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article , micky savage wrote: Put it on it's own ring. like a shower. If your shower is on a ring get a decent electrician in pronto. Good call Dave I meant fusing device. You're suggesting a heated towel rail should be on its own circuit same as an electric shower - ie a radial from the CU? Not needed with most towel rails - they usually take no more than about 150 watts. They aren't room heaters as such but only intended to dry towels, strangely. -- *Okay, who stopped the payment on my reality check? * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Andy Wade wrote:
(Note for future Google archive readers: this article will be invalid after 01/06/2008, the expected date by which the 17th Edition of the wiring regs will be in force.) Do you know what's changing, or is the above just a general disclaimer? David |
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Pet @ www.gymratz.co.uk ;¬) wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote: is it a big no no to connect a heated towel rail to the lighting circuit? Perfectly ok. Unlike ring main circuits, lighting ones are protected at their maximum continuous rating under any conditions. But it would be worth checking to see whether the lighting circuit is RCD protected would it not? And even better to check whether it has a CPC?! (Although a later post mentions the 1970s, so presumably it does) David |
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Lobster wrote:
Do you know what's changing, or is the above just a general disclaimer? You must have missed the recent thread, subject "Seventeenth edition" and probably still on your server. Otherwise try http://groups.google.com/group/uk.d-...ad5ad0 f02de6 -- Andy |
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Andy Wade wrote:
Lobster wrote: Do you know what's changing, or is the above just a general disclaimer? You must have missed the recent thread, subject "Seventeenth edition" and probably still on your server. Otherwise try http://groups.google.com/group/uk.d-...ad5ad0 f02de6 Indeed. Thanks! David |
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Owain wrote: You are a plantpot. Oh dear. Isn't that copyright? -- *Upon the advice of my attorney, my shirt bears no message at this time Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On 2006-11-21 14:25:26 +0000, "Dave Plowman (News)"
said: In article , Owain wrote: You are a plantpot. Oh dear. Isn't that copyright? One is reminded of "flobadob ickle weed" The plot in that program varied little from episode to episode as well The only burning question was "Was it Bill or was it Ben?" I can only think that DIMM is the reincarnation of one of these terracotta dwellers - it does all fit: - Repetitive and unintelligible sentences - A minor mishap every week - Same plot every week "and I think the little house knew something about it! Don't You? " |
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On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 10:48:39 +0000 (GMT) someone who may be "Dave
Plowman (News)" wrote this:- You're suggesting a heated towel rail should be on its own circuit same as an electric shower - ie a radial from the CU? Not needed with most towel rails - they usually take no more than about 150 watts. They aren't room heaters as such but only intended to dry towels, strangely. Indeed. Ring mains are designed to power just this sort of general appliance. -- David Hansen, Edinburgh I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54 |
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David Hansen wrote: You're suggesting a heated towel rail should be on its own circuit same as an electric shower - ie a radial from the CU? Not needed with most towel rails - they usually take no more than about 150 watts. They aren't room heaters as such but only intended to dry towels, strangely. Indeed. Ring mains are designed to power just this sort of general appliance. Or the lighting circuit if more convenient... -- *Why isn't 11 pronounced onety one? * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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from "Dave Plowman (News)" contains these words: Or the lighting circuit if more convenient... Except that on a split-load CU the lighting circuit won't have a RCD. -- Skipweasel Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain. |
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Guy King wrote: Or the lighting circuit if more convenient... Except that on a split-load CU the lighting circuit won't have a RCD. Shouldn't matter if the lighting circuit is earthed which of course I'm assuming. -- *Husband and cat lost -- reward for cat Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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from "Dave Plowman (News)" contains these words: Shouldn't matter if the lighting circuit is earthed which of course I'm assuming. But a faulty earth (which happen fairly often, I suspect) would leave you very vulnerable. -- Skipweasel Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain. |
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Guy King wrote: Shouldn't matter if the lighting circuit is earthed which of course I'm assuming. But a faulty earth (which happen fairly often, I suspect) would leave you very vulnerable. As it would on anything not normally RCD fed. Like cookers. Washing machines. Etc. However, if the rail is in a certain part of the bathroom it would need supplementary bonding anyway. -- *It's this dirty because I washed it with your wife's knickers* Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 13:50:56 GMT someone who may be Guy King
wrote this:- Except that on a split-load CU the lighting circuit won't have a RCD. Having read the rest of this sub-thread, the question is, "so what?" An earth fault that develops on its own isn't that common and of it was installed properly there will be supplementary bonding. The supplementary point is that not all ring mains have RCDs. -- David Hansen, Edinburgh I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54 |
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