As people are often asking for these, Lidl are selling them tomorrow...

http://www.lidl.co.uk/uk/home.nsf/pa...gy_Monitor.ar1



--

Sparks...
(Not an electrician)

On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 16:27:48 -0000, "Sparks"
wrote:


As people are often asking for these, Lidl are selling them tomorrow...

http://www.lidl.co.uk/uk/home.nsf/pa...gy_Monitor.ar1

Simply plug into your socket to find out how many kWh of energy you
use whilst running an electric appliance
By programming the rate per hour you can see the total cost of your
consumption at a glance
Functions:
- Voltage
- Strength of the electric current
- Watt
- Maximum power
- Energy consumption in kWh
- Cost
Includes battery

All for £6.99 !

It's getting to the stage when I look at things like this and think
there must be long and short term downsides to getting this stuff so
cheap.

One short term downside for me is that it is getting difficult for me
to get customers to pay an economic price for on site repairs I do to
their electronic systems. when they can have new electronic gadgetry
from China (Thankfully not my sort of stuff) literally dirt cheap.

DG

Sparks wrote:

As people are often asking for these, Lidl are selling them tomorrow...

http://www.lidl.co.uk/uk/home.nsf/pa...gy_Monitor.ar1

I'll just note again, that in common with one I bought from maplin, the
one I bought last year overreads at 150-200% on some PC power supplies.
Other than that, it's fine.

INNOVATIVE ANSWERS TO RISING HEATING COSTS

With all these problems about plumbers and British Gas etc, why not
simply switch to the Electrowarm System. The company which operates
from Launceston but with licensed agents in many parts of the UK offers
energy-saving and money saving electric radiators with intelligent
thermostatic control systems which are cheaper to run and are more
efficient than night storage systems as well as cheaper than Gas
central heating. Check their website at www.electrowarm.info.

Every day the media is full of the latest rise in energy costs and many
people are worried as to how they can afford to keep warm this winter
and all the other winters to come, where things will no doubt get worse
rather than better. In the South West many people live in rural areas,
have no mains gas and are therefore obliged to heat via Night Storage
heaters, which are generally very inefficient and not able to be
controlled, or are homeowners reliant on oil or liquid gas central
heating. The recent rapid prices in crude oil have making themselves
felt as homeowners fill up their oil and gas tanks for the winter and
nearly have a heart attack when they compare the bill to last year.

However, there are innovative, affordable, controllable and economical
answers available and one of these is provided by Electrowarm of 14
Southgate Chambers in Launceston, South East Cornwall. Electrowarm was
founded by Joseph Taylor in SE Cornwall after several years in the
building trade and contacts with friends in Germany discovered that
certain thing that were already takebn for granted in the continent,
like energy-saving heating technology, were not very prevalent in the
UK, especially in the South West.

Instead of just complaining, Joseph Taylor set up Electrowarm to import
and distribute directly from the manufacturer to end users a well
established range of slim-line electrical storage radiators which not
only look good, but which are very easy to install; are maintenance
free, save between 40% - 50% of electricity comparison to Night Storage
heaters and plug into normal 13 amp sockets to give Affordable,
Controllable, Comfortable, Economical WARMTH! Hence the company slogan:
"Plug in and Warm Up". The Electrowarm System was developed in
Germany back in 1972 and has been extremely successful there and in
other European countries ever since. The Made in Germany quality comes
with a no quibbles 15 Year guarantee of quality. The heaters only
require approx. 15 minutes of electricity to provide 60 minutes of heat
thanks to the unique storage capabilities of the Chamotte fire clay
heating and storage cells.

The many existing happy Electrowarm customers range from homeowners in
exposed locations whose house has never been so warm, through
Residential Homes where the vulnerable elderly residents are now
enjoying a new level of cosiness and also include companies who have
refurbished their offices. All are amazed at the speed and simplicity
of installation, the easiness of control, the very effective thermostat
and the wonderful radiant heat which the Electrowarm heating system
gives out. No more cold draughty floors, no more dust swirling through
the air from convector heaters, night storage heaters and open fires
which end up warming the ceiling (where nobody sits) and where the dust
is aggravating for allergy sufferers. Just clean, cosy, affordable,
controllable and economical heat... MMMMMM

One Cornish Council (Carrick) even give grant support for the
electrowarm system and other Councils and Housing Associations are
checking out at the system for their housing requirements, both for
existing properties as well as new build.

Prices? Package prices of sets of 3 or 5 heaters are very comparable
with other central heating systems, if not cheaper. The more you buy
the cheaper the individual heaters become. There is no trauma of
installation upheaval, no building work and no costly maintenance once
the system is installed. The Electrowarm system also provides no smells
and no noises so is completely clean.

Electrowarm offer a completely free - no obligation - visit by one of
their trained and professional consultants to give you a demonstration
of the unique storage capacity of this heating system and they can
carry out a survey of your home and your individual requirements -
also free and without obligation - so as to calculate your particular
heating requirements. Once they have worked out the heating
requirements, the Electrowarm Consultant can then calculate what the
running costs will be for you based on your own particular electricity
tariff.

Want to know more about Electrowarm? See www.electrowarm.info or ring
them on FREEPHONE 0800-111 6122 for further information. You will end
up saving energy, saving money and helping the environment by using an
efficient form of heating.

On Nov 11, 4:54 pm, Derek ^ wrote:
On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 16:27:48 -0000, "Sparks"
wrote:



As people are often asking for these, Lidl are selling them tomorrow...

http://www.lidl.co.uk/uk/home.nsf/pa...nitor...Simply plug into your socket to find out how many kWh of energy you
use whilst running an electric appliance
By programming the rate per hour you can see the total cost of your
consumption at a glance
Functions:
- Voltage
- Strength of the electric current
- Watt
- Maximum power
- Energy consumption in kWh
- Cost
Includes battery

All for £6.99 !

It's getting to the stage when I look at things like this and think
there must be long and short term downsides to getting this stuff so
cheap.

One short term downside for me is that it is getting difficult for me
to get customers to pay an economic price for on site repairs I do to
their electronic systems. when they can have new electronic gadgetry
from China (Thankfully not my sort of stuff) literally dirt cheap.

DG

INNOVATIVE ANSWERS TO RISING HEATING COSTS

With all these problems about plumbers and British Gas etc, why not
simply switch to the Electrowarm System. The company which operates
from Launceston but with licensed agents in many parts of the UK offers
energy-saving and money saving electric radiators with intelligent
thermostatic control systems which are cheaper to run and are more
efficient than night storage systems as well as cheaper than Gas
central heating. Check their website at www.electrowarm.info.

Every day the media is full of the latest rise in energy costs and many
people are worried as to how they can afford to keep warm this winter
and all the other winters to come, where things will no doubt get worse
rather than better. In the South West many people live in rural areas,
have no mains gas and are therefore obliged to heat via Night Storage
heaters, which are generally very inefficient and not able to be
controlled, or are homeowners reliant on oil or liquid gas central
heating. The recent rapid prices in crude oil have making themselves
felt as homeowners fill up their oil and gas tanks for the winter and
nearly have a heart attack when they compare the bill to last year.

However, there are innovative, affordable, controllable and economical
answers available and one of these is provided by Electrowarm of 14
Southgate Chambers in Launceston, South East Cornwall. Electrowarm was
founded by Joseph Taylor in SE Cornwall after several years in the
building trade and contacts with friends in Germany discovered that
certain thing that were already takebn for granted in the continent,
like energy-saving heating technology, were not very prevalent in the
UK, especially in the South West.

Instead of just complaining, Joseph Taylor set up Electrowarm to import
and distribute directly from the manufacturer to end users a well
established range of slim-line electrical storage radiators which not
only look good, but which are very easy to install; are maintenance
free, save between 40% - 50% of electricity comparison to Night Storage
heaters and plug into normal 13 amp sockets to give Affordable,
Controllable, Comfortable, Economical WARMTH! Hence the company slogan:
"Plug in and Warm Up". The Electrowarm System was developed in
Germany back in 1972 and has been extremely successful there and in
other European countries ever since. The Made in Germany quality comes
with a no quibbles 15 Year guarantee of quality. The heaters only
require approx. 15 minutes of electricity to provide 60 minutes of heat
thanks to the unique storage capabilities of the Chamotte fire clay
heating and storage cells.

The many existing happy Electrowarm customers range from homeowners in
exposed locations whose house has never been so warm, through
Residential Homes where the vulnerable elderly residents are now
enjoying a new level of cosiness and also include companies who have
refurbished their offices. All are amazed at the speed and simplicity
of installation, the easiness of control, the very effective thermostat
and the wonderful radiant heat which the Electrowarm heating system
gives out. No more cold draughty floors, no more dust swirling through
the air from convector heaters, night storage heaters and open fires
which end up warming the ceiling (where nobody sits) and where the dust
is aggravating for allergy sufferers. Just clean, cosy, affordable,
controllable and economical heat... MMMMMM

One Cornish Council (Carrick) even give grant support for the
electrowarm system and other Councils and Housing Associations are
checking out at the system for their housing requirements, both for
existing properties as well as new build.

Prices? Package prices of sets of 3 or 5 heaters are very comparable
with other central heating systems, if not cheaper. The more you buy
the cheaper the individual heaters become. There is no trauma of
installation upheaval, no building work and no costly maintenance once
the system is installed. The Electrowarm system also provides no smells
and no noises so is completely clean.

Electrowarm offer a completely free - no obligation - visit by one of
their trained and professional consultants to give you a demonstration
of the unique storage capacity of this heating system and they can
carry out a survey of your home and your individual requirements -
also free and without obligation - so as to calculate your particular
heating requirements. Once they have worked out the heating
requirements, the Electrowarm Consultant can then calculate what the
running costs will be for you based on your own particular electricity
tariff.

Want to know more about Electrowarm? See www.electrowarm.info or ring
them on FREEPHONE 0800-111 6122 for further information. You will end
up saving energy, saving money and helping the environment by using an
efficient form of heating.

On Nov 11, 4:27 pm, "Sparks" wrote:
As people are often asking for these, Lidl are selling them tomorrow...

http://www.lidl.co.uk/uk/home.nsf/pa...Energy_Monitor...

--

Sparks...
(Not an electrician)

" writes:

free, save between 40% - 50% of electricity comparison to Night Storage
heaters and plug into normal 13 amp sockets to give Affordable,

How ?

Prices? Package prices of sets of 3 or 5 heaters are very comparable
with other central heating systems, if not cheaper.

So what is the price ? And for my other rooms ?

them on FREEPHONE 0800-111 6122 for further information. You will end

Yes I'm sure I will.

Jon

On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 16:27:48 -0000, Sparks wrote:

As people are often asking for these, Lidl are selling them tomorrow...

http://www.lidl.co.uk/uk/home.nsf/pa...gy_Monitor.ar1

Are the items they list as monday normally available on sunday?

Steve

In article . com,
wrote:
With all these problems about plumbers and British Gas etc, why not
simply switch to the Electrowarm System. The company which operates
from Launceston but with licensed agents in many parts of the UK offers
energy-saving and money saving electric radiators with intelligent
thermostatic control systems which are cheaper to run and are more
efficient than night storage systems as well as cheaper than Gas
central heating. Check their website at www.electrowarm.info.

Care to offer some figures about running costs? Full price electricity is
much more expensive than like for like gas for heating. So you're telling
porkies. Are you related to dribble?

--
*A person who smiles in the face of adversity probably has a scapegoat *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Steve wrote:
On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 16:27:48 -0000, Sparks wrote:

As people are often asking for these, Lidl are selling them tomorrow...

http://www.lidl.co.uk/uk/home.nsf/pa...gy_Monitor.ar1

Are the items they list as monday normally available on sunday?

No.

In article . com,
" writes:
INNOVATIVE ANSWERS TO RISING HEATING COSTS

This really isn't a newsgroup in which you can get away with
peddling marketing bull****.

Instead of just complaining, Joseph Taylor set up Electrowarm to import
and distribute directly from the manufacturer to end users a well
established range of slim-line electrical storage radiators which not
only look good, but which are very easy to install; are maintenance
free, save between 40% - 50% of electricity comparison to Night Storage
heaters and plug into normal 13 amp sockets to give Affordable,
Controllable, Comfortable, Economical WARMTH! Hence the company slogan:
"Plug in and Warm Up".

It's a shame he didn't read the IEE Wiring Regulations, where
he would have found it is not permitted to run electric heaters
which form the main heating system from sockets on the ring circuit.

No more cold draughty floors, no more dust swirling through
the air from convector heaters, night storage heaters and open fires

Funny, the web site specifically mentions the "chimney effect"
(convection) of the heaters.

Prices? Package prices of sets of 3 or 5 heaters are very comparable
with other central heating systems, if not cheaper. The more you buy

Individual electric heaters should be very much cheaper than
central heating. 2 grand for 3 electric wall heaters really
is incredible.

--
Andrew Gabriel

On 11 Nov 2006 10:51:33 -0800 wrote :
Prices? Package prices of sets of 3 or 5 heaters are very comparable
with other central heating systems, if not cheaper.

3 electric heaters for £1985!

Thanks, but no thanks.

--
Tony Bryer SDA UK 'Software to build on' http://www.sda.co.uk

On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 19:37:35 +0000 (GMT) Dave Plowman (News) wrote :
Care to offer some figures about running costs? Full price electricity is
much more expensive than like for like gas for heating. So you're telling
porkies. Are you related to dribble?

It does depend a bit on the property and how you work out heating costs.
It's not unreasonable to assume IMO that an electric system should run for
ten years without maintenance, whilst a gas boiler needs an annual service
at least, possible repairs every year or four depending on make. Factor
these in and it's not impossible that the total cost for a place built to
recent BR standards might be no more with electric.

Having said this, a non heat pump electric system cannot get more than 1kWh
out of each unit.

--
Tony Bryer SDA UK 'Software to build on' http://www.sda.co.uk

Tony Bryer wrote:
On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 19:37:35 +0000 (GMT) Dave Plowman (News) wrote :
Care to offer some figures about running costs? Full price electricity is
much more expensive than like for like gas for heating. So you're telling
porkies. Are you related to dribble?

It does depend a bit on the property and how you work out heating costs.
snip
Having said this, a non heat pump electric system cannot get more than 1kWh
^non cogeneration.
out of each unit.

On 11 Nov 2006 10:51:33 -0800, "
wrote:


With all these problems about plumbers and British Gas etc, why not
simply switch to the Electrowarm System.

Oh look, a genuine brainless git.

"From:
Date: Sun, Jul 2 2006 8:22 pm
Email: "
Hi Nadia and all,
That is absolutely sensible. The values are what I 'll call the blood
that runs through our company's veins. We are building our brand
around these. Electrowarm (UK&NI) Limited are working around the
following goals:.."

Was "pathetic spammer" one of the unstated goals?

--
Peter Parry.
http://www.wpp.ltd.uk/

wrote:

INNOVATIVE ANSWERS TO RISING HEATING COSTS

With all these problems about plumbers and British Gas etc, why not
simply switch to the Electrowarm System. The company which operates
from Launceston but with licensed agents in many parts of the UK offers
energy-saving and money saving electric radiators with intelligent
thermostatic control systems which are cheaper to run and are more
efficient than night storage systems as well as cheaper than Gas
central heating.

If you believe that I've got a bridge for sale.

PS electric storage heaters are 100% efficient. And electric heating is
the most expensive of all heating options. Trading Standards may find
this company of interest.


NT

In article .com,
wrote:
PS electric storage heaters are 100% efficient.

They may be in the strict sense of converting energy to heat, but not in
providing it when needed. For that you'd need perfect insulation until
they're actually used.

And electric heating is the most expensive of all heating options.
Trading Standards may find this company of interest.

I'd agree. Their claims and prices are ludicrous.

--
*No I haven't stolen it , I'm just a **** driver*

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article . com,

With all these problems about plumbers and British Gas etc, why not
simply switch to the Electrowarm System. The company which operates
from Launceston but with licensed agents in many parts of the UK offers
energy-saving and money saving electric radiators with intelligent
thermostatic control systems which are cheaper to run and are more
efficient than night storage systems as well as cheaper than Gas
central heating. Check their website at www.electrowarm.info.

Care to offer some figures about running costs? Full price electricity is
much more expensive than like for like gas for heating.

Ok, look at this:

Dimplex has electric shock for UK`s gas guzzling heating

26 April 2006

The UK`s householders could be paying more than double the amount they
need to for their heating systems, ending up more than £2,600 out of
pocket over a 10 year period, according to the latest calculations by
electric heating market leader Dimplex.

Dimplex calculates that some gas users are spending £6,300 on their
system over an average lifetime of 10 years, compared with just £3,640
for a similar electric system over the same period. The Dimplex
research analysed the annual costs of installation, maintenance, fuel
prices and safety checks, comparing a typical installation of six
electric or wet radiators with their lifetime expectations.

Other recent research using information from the National Landlords
Association and British Gas Servicing has already highlighted the fact
that gas heating is 17 per cent more expensive to own and run than
electric systems and 46 per cent more expensive for landlords and
social housing developers. But now, the new Dimplex calculations have
revealed an even greater `fuel divide`, says Chris Davis, marketing
manager.

"Because electric heating is cheaper to install, maintain and lasts an
average of 50% longer than a gas system, the true ownership costs will
be a nasty shock for gas users," he says. For specifiers and landlords,
electric heating has always been a relatively low cost installation and
management option and now that gas kWh prices are rising, it`s
prompting the end users and particularly those on lower incomes to
re-evaluate their heating, adds Davis.

"With dwindling supplies and soaring energy costs, the cost of heating
is re-emerging as a topic of conversation as consumers, and especially
those in fuel poverty, are feeling the pinch in their pockets. It`s
forcing people to wake up to the fact that the crucial figure with
heating is the total lifetime ownership cost and it`s where electric
makes sense as the first choice for heating systems," he says.

The latest Dimplex calculations have used the 2006 figures from BRE
(GPG345) for annual fuel costs for heating and hot water. They showed
that a typical 2 bedroom flat has an average annual fuel cost of £264
for electric and £138 for gas but once all the ownership costs are
calculated (including capital costs, annual mandatory safety checks,
maintenance) the actual lifetime cost per annum adds up to £630 for
the gas-heated flat, but only £364 for the electrically heated
dwelling. And using the same calculation criteria, a typical terraced
house has an average annual heating cost of £731 for gas and £493 for
electric.

"One of the few good things about the rising energy prices is that
consumers are now having to re-focus on their heating systems, taking a
more holistic view. Combine this with the longer term drive towards the
use of renewable energy and the latest Building Regulations which
require more controllable heating with higher levels of insulation and
the odds for electric heating have never looked better," says Davis.

Source:
http://engine.solid8.com/servlet/Sol...me2=2019283042

Ian Stirling wrote:
Steve wrote:
On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 16:27:48 -0000, Sparks wrote:

As people are often asking for these, Lidl are selling them tomorrow...

http://www.lidl.co.uk/uk/home.nsf/pa...gy_Monitor.ar1

Are the items they list as monday normally available on sunday?

No.

It's the

'the radiator ribs are heated by a system of internal specialist energy
cells, each with its own embedded heating element.'

http://www.electrowarm.info/product_technical.php

On 12 Nov 2006 14:13:51 -0800, "
wrote:

Ok, look at this:

Brainless pillock, the only thing you can quote is a survey from
another seller of night storage heaters? Oh, forgot - yours are not
even that are they.

gas heating is 17 per cent more expensive to own and run than
electric systems and 46 per cent more expensive for landlords and
social housing developers.

So you are supporting the offloading of costs by "social" landlords
onto tenants who have no choice in the matter and are least able to
pay. You think they should get fuel bills which are twice as much
with electricity than gas? Sums your company up I suppose.
--
Peter Parry.
http://www.wpp.ltd.uk/

In article .com,
wrote:
Dimplex calculates that some gas users are spending £6,300 on their
system over an average lifetime of 10 years, compared with just £3,640
for a similar electric system over the same period. The Dimplex
research analysed the annual costs of installation, maintenance, fuel
prices and safety checks, comparing a typical installation of six
electric or wet radiators with their lifetime expectations.

I told them not to use dribble to design and install their gas heating
system...

--
*If they arrest the Energizer Bunny, would they charge it with battery? *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article .com,
wrote:
Ok, look at this:

Dimplex has electric shock for UK`s gas guzzling heating

Except that is doesn't. It refers only to the installation and maintenance
costs of a gas central heating system. Nothing whatsoever to do with the
gas consumption.

--
*Time is the best teacher; unfortunately it kills all its students.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 22:46:40 +0000 Peter Parry wrote :
So you are supporting the offloading of costs by "social" landlords
onto tenants who have no choice in the matter and are least able to
pay. You think they should get fuel bills which are twice as much
with electricity than gas?

Someone has to pay for the servicing, repairs, annual gas safety
check, boiler replacement, and in a social landlord situation you are
paying someone £££ to organise these things. Ultimately it's not the
landlord who pays - it's either the tenant or (for social housing)
the taxpayer.

And in social housing you can get a small percentage of problematic
tenants who will not allow access for servicing and safety checks,
thus the programmers that knock the heating back to a low level if
the servicing has not been done and the counter reset.

--
Tony Bryer SDA UK 'Software to build on' http://www.sda.co.uk