marked 0,10,20 is that the thickness or the size?

Thanks

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On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 21:53:03 GMT, "The3rd Earl Of Derby"
wrote:

marked 0,10,20 is that the thickness or the size?

Thanks

Huntley & Palmers used to make good biscuits. Had real names, not
numbers!

EricP wrote:
On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 21:53:03 GMT, "The3rd Earl Of Derby"
wrote:

marked 0,10,20 is that the thickness or the size?

Thanks

Huntley & Palmers used to make good biscuits. Had real names, not
numbers!

You still taking your farleys rusk then?

--
Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite

The3rd Earl Of Derby wrote:
marked 0,10,20 is that the thickness or the size?

Thanks

Seems they relate to the size,20 being the biggest.

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Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite

On 2006-11-01 21:53:03 +0000, "The3rd Earl Of Derby" said:

marked 0,10,20 is that the thickness or the size?

Thanks

They are size

The blade in the biscuit jointer is the same regardless of the biscuit
number. The adjustment controls how far the cutter projects into the
material.

Andy Hall wrote:


The blade in the biscuit jointer is the same regardless of the biscuit
number. The adjustment controls how far the cutter projects into the
material.

Yup and the manufactures made damn sure it wasn't the same thickness as
3/8" plywood so's people cant make their own size. :-(

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Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite

On 2006-11-01 22:29:32 +0000, "The3rd Earl Of Derby" said:

Andy Hall wrote:


The blade in the biscuit jointer is the same regardless of the biscuit
number. The adjustment controls how far the cutter projects into the
material.

Yup and the manufactures made damn sure it wasn't the same thickness as
3/8" plywood so's people cant make their own size. :-(

It's a lot thinner than that...

Lidl might have them with their own brand digestives.

The3rd Earl Of Derby wrote:

marked 0,10,20 is that the thickness or the size?

Size. Thickness is standard and dictated by the kerf of the blade.

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John.

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Andy Hall wrote:
On 2006-11-01 22:29:32 +0000, "The3rd Earl Of Derby"
said:

Andy Hall wrote:


The blade in the biscuit jointer is the same regardless of the
biscuit number. The adjustment controls how far the cutter
projects into the material.

Yup and the manufactures made damn sure it wasn't the same thickness
as 3/8" plywood so's people cant make their own size. :-(

It's a lot thinner than that...

Lidl might have them with their own brand digestives.

I know it's a lot thinner,was just pointing out I wanted the biscuits
bigger I couldn't use 3/8" ply.

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Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite

On 2006-11-01 22:38:51 +0000, "The3rd Earl Of Derby" said:

Andy Hall wrote:
On 2006-11-01 22:29:32 +0000, "The3rd Earl Of Derby"
said:

Andy Hall wrote:


The blade in the biscuit jointer is the same regardless of the
biscuit number. The adjustment controls how far the cutter
projects into the material.

Yup and the manufactures made damn sure it wasn't the same thickness
as 3/8" plywood so's people cant make their own size. :-(

It's a lot thinner than that...

Lidl might have them with their own brand digestives.

I know it's a lot thinner,was just pointing out I wanted the biscuits
bigger I couldn't use 3/8" ply.

Ah.. Well if you want that technology then take a look at the Festool
Domino machine et ses biscuits.

Axminster has a special on these (just for you, just today) at a little
over £500 sovs.

For those, Aldinettolidl does not have the consumables.

The3rd Earl Of Derby wrote:

I know it's a lot thinner,was just pointing out I wanted the biscuits
bigger I couldn't use 3/8" ply.

Even if the ply fitted it would not work as well. The biscuits are
designed to swell slightly in the glue to make a more solid fit.

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Cheers,

John.

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Andy Hall wrote:
On 2006-11-01 22:38:51 +0000, "The3rd Earl Of Derby"
said:

Andy Hall wrote:
On 2006-11-01 22:29:32 +0000, "The3rd Earl Of Derby"
said:

Andy Hall wrote:


The blade in the biscuit jointer is the same regardless of the
biscuit number. The adjustment controls how far the cutter
projects into the material.

Yup and the manufactures made damn sure it wasn't the same
thickness as 3/8" plywood so's people cant make their own size. :-(

It's a lot thinner than that...

Lidl might have them with their own brand digestives.

I know it's a lot thinner,was just pointing out I wanted the biscuits
bigger I couldn't use 3/8" ply.

Ah.. Well if you want that technology then take a look at the Festool
Domino machine et ses biscuits.

Axminster has a special on these (just for you, just today) at a
little over £500 sovs.

For those, Aldinettolidl does not have the consumables.

You mean 500 sobs?

I'll just higher the BJ to cut that extra mm or so and pass it through
again to accept 3/8" ply and make a jig for future cutting. :-)

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Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite

John Rumm wrote:
The3rd Earl Of Derby wrote:

I know it's a lot thinner,was just pointing out I wanted the biscuits
bigger I couldn't use 3/8" ply.

Even if the ply fitted it would not work as well. The biscuits are
designed to swell slightly in the glue to make a more solid fit.

I heard that because of this swelling effect a proper biscuit joint is
stronger that a mortice & tennon?


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Dave
The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk
01634 717930
07850 597257

On 2006-11-02 00:14:22 +0000, "The Medway Handyman"
said:

John Rumm wrote:
The3rd Earl Of Derby wrote:

I know it's a lot thinner,was just pointing out I wanted the biscuits
bigger I couldn't use 3/8" ply.

Even if the ply fitted it would not work as well. The biscuits are
designed to swell slightly in the glue to make a more solid fit.

I heard that because of this swelling effect a proper biscuit joint is
stronger that a mortice & tennon?

A mortice and tenon of similar size would be a fair claim. Normally
biscuit jointing is used for corners and edges and multiple biscuits
are used for strength. I wouldn't normally expect to make a mortice
and tenon joint with the tenon as thin as a biscuit anyway, so it's
hard to make the comparison.

There is a new type of biscuit jointer from Festool (the Domino) which
uses its own proprietary biscuits. These are quite a bit thicker and
more akin to loose tenons.

The3rd Earl Of Derby wrote:
Andy Hall wrote:


The blade in the biscuit jointer is the same regardless of the biscuit
number. The adjustment controls how far the cutter projects into the
material.

Yup and the manufactures made damn sure it wasn't the same thickness as
3/8" plywood so's people cant make their own size. :-(

Idiot.

A bicuit router is made from a basic angle grinder design that you can
fit any width of blade (that you can find or make) to, if you are daft
enough to want to.

You can make your own joints with a real router or even by running a
circular handsaw down the work piece. If you have a bench saw, use that
and then you can make your own tongues.

See if you can find one to make you own brains. Just lop off your head
and see what type of sawdust comes out.

The3rd Earl Of Derby wrote:
Andy Hall wrote:
On 2006-11-01 22:29:32 +0000, "The3rd Earl Of Derby" said:
Andy Hall wrote:

The blade in the biscuit jointer is the same regardless of the
biscuit number. The adjustment controls how far the cutter
projects into the material.

Yup and the manufactures made damn sure it wasn't the same thickness
as 3/8" plywood so's people cant make their own size. :-(

It's a lot thinner than that...

I know it's a lot thinner,was just pointing out I wanted the biscuits
bigger I couldn't use 3/8" ply.

If you wanted them thicker you couldn't use 1/2" ply with them either.

Why would you want or need them thicker or thinner? (I know I'm a fool
for asking the idiot but I can't stop myself.)

The idea of the biscuits is to locate the workpieces whilst allowing a
rubbed joint but resisting the tendency for the two mated parts to form
a step. You don't need to use many. Two are adequate in a few feet of
board. Something three or four feet long might need another in the
middle.

A couple of dowels would do the job but centering them is difficult and
they don't permit a rubbed joint. Setting up the dowel holes in the
good old days was a real PITA. Nowadays you can just point the jointer
in the general direction and the job's a good one.

"The3rd Earl Of Derby" wrote in message
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Andy Hall wrote:


The blade in the biscuit jointer is the same regardless of the biscuit
number. The adjustment controls how far the cutter projects into the
material.

Yup and the manufactures made damn sure it wasn't the same thickness as
3/8" plywood so's people cant make their own size. :-(


Do you really think a bit of 3/8 ply will be as strong as a biscuit?

If you are going to use 3/8 ply then use a router and cut a long slot.
(Don't forget to cut the ply the correct way as its stronger in tension in
one direction than the other.)

If you are going to use the router then why not make a "glue" joint and
avoid the ply altogether?

dennis@home wrote:


Do you really think a bit of 3/8 ply will be as strong as a biscuit?


Yes Dennis I do its what I used to do before aquiring a BJ mainly for
corners of large picture frames.
As for joining two boards side b side it was dowling them together.

If you are going to use 3/8 ply then use a router and cut a long slot.
(Don't forget to cut the ply the correct way as its stronger in
tension in one direction than the other.)

If you are going to use the router then why not make a "glue" joint
and avoid the ply altogether?

There's nothing you can tell me about woodwork Dennis as I'm good at it.
:-)


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Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite

"The3rd Earl Of Derby" wrote in message
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Andy Hall wrote:


The blade in the biscuit jointer is the same regardless of the biscuit
number. The adjustment controls how far the cutter projects into the
material.

Yup and the manufactures made damn sure it wasn't the same thickness as
3/8" plywood so's people cant make their own size. :-(


Wood-working biscuits are made of beech which has been dried then
compressed. When a biscuit is inserted into a (correctly sized) slot it
encounters water-based glue and swells (expands) , in the thickness plane.
It is this swelling action that provides the 'grip' between the parts that
are biscuit jointed. Attempting to manufacture a biscuit from a material
(ply) intended to be dimensionally stable is evidence of both meanness and a
misunderstanding of the mechanism involved.

--

Brian

The message
from "Brian Sharrock" contains these words:

Attempting to manufacture a biscuit from a material
(ply) intended to be dimensionally stable is evidence of both meanness
and a
misunderstanding of the mechanism involved.

Given they're only a few pence each it's hard to see why anyone would bother.

--
Skipweasel
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.

Guy King wrote:
The message
from "Brian Sharrock" contains these words:

Attempting to manufacture a biscuit from a material
(ply) intended to be dimensionally stable is evidence of both
meanness and a
misunderstanding of the mechanism involved.

Given they're only a few pence each it's hard to see why anyone would
bother.

Because when you're putting a very large mirror into a heavy frame a 2"
biscuit is not suitable in the corners.

--
Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite

The3rd Earl Of Derby wrote:

Because when you're putting a very large mirror into a heavy frame a 2"
biscuit is not suitable in the corners.

Do a half lap mitre then...


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John.

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John Rumm wrote:
The3rd Earl Of Derby wrote:

Because when you're putting a very large mirror into a heavy frame a
2" biscuit is not suitable in the corners.

Do a half lap mitre then...



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Too much hassle.

I wanted to fit wide wedges after using the BJ glue them then dowl through
the frame and wedges. :-)

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Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite

"The3rd Earl Of Derby" wrote in message
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Guy King wrote:
The message
from "Brian Sharrock" contains these words:

Attempting to manufacture a biscuit from a material
(ply) intended to be dimensionally stable is evidence of both
meanness and a
misunderstanding of the mechanism involved.

Given they're only a few pence each it's hard to see why anyone would
bother.

Because when you're putting a very large mirror into a heavy frame a 2"
biscuit is not suitable in the corners.


So put the mirror on a sheet of ply and fix the frame to that.
Frames are decoration not structure IMO.

The message
from "The3rd Earl Of Derby" contains these words:

Because when you're putting a very large mirror into a heavy frame a 2"
biscuit is not suitable in the corners.

Well cut it down then!

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Skipweasel
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.

The3rd Earl Of Derby wrote:
Guy King wrote:
The message
from "Brian Sharrock" contains these words:

Attempting to manufacture a biscuit from a material
(ply) intended to be dimensionally stable is evidence of both
meanness and a
misunderstanding of the mechanism involved.

Given they're only a few pence each it's hard to see why anyone would
bother.

Because when you're putting a very large mirror into a heavy frame a 2"
biscuit is not suitable in the corners.

And/or you are an idiot.

"The3rd Earl Of Derby" wrote in message
. uk...
Guy King wrote:
The message
from "Brian Sharrock" contains these words:

Attempting to manufacture a biscuit from a material
(ply) intended to be dimensionally stable is evidence of both
meanness and a
misunderstanding of the mechanism involved.

Given they're only a few pence each it's hard to see why anyone would
bother.

Because when you're putting a very large mirror into a heavy frame a 2"
biscuit is not suitable in the corners.

--
Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite


You claimed something along the lines of; - "I know all about wood-working,
I'm good at it!"
so: why didn't your rant about biscuit thickness compared to ply - mention
what your application was?

What sort of joints are you employing in your 'heavy frame'; how large is a
"very large mirror"; what is the thickness of the heavy frame; what
dimension of rebate have you utilised; how is the 'heavy frame' to be
supported?

--

Brian