I never learn. I KNOW that if you pay half the price for paint you use
three times as much and it still looks crap. I bought some B&Q
quick-drying under coat and top coat. After four(!) under coats the wood
stain was still coming through. One coat of the Crown equivalent and
it's fine.

Another Dave
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"Another Dave" wrote:
I never learn. I KNOW that if you pay half the price for paint you use
three times as much and it still looks crap. I bought some B&Q quick-drying
under coat and top coat. After four(!) under coats the wood stain was still
coming through. One coat of the Crown equivalent and it's fine.

Another Dave
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Apart from emulsion, own brand paint, especially primer, undercoat and top
coat, in my experience, is rubbish. The exception is Wickes Professional
range, otherwise it's Crown or Dulux, especially for outdoor use.

On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 17:13:57 +0100, "Codswallop"
wrote:

"Another Dave" wrote:
I never learn. I KNOW that if you pay half the price for paint you use
three times as much and it still looks crap. I bought some B&Q quick-drying
under coat and top coat. After four(!) under coats the wood stain was still
coming through. One coat of the Crown equivalent and it's fine.

Another Dave
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change nospam to f2s in e-mail

Apart from emulsion, own brand paint, especially primer, undercoat and top
coat, in my experience, is rubbish. The exception is Wickes Professional
range, otherwise it's Crown or Dulux, especially for outdoor use.

try Leyland. You will never look further.

http://www.leyland-paints.co.uk/site...t_majestic.asp

"Codswallop" wrote in message
...
"Another Dave" wrote:
I never learn. I KNOW that if you pay half the price for paint you use
three times as much and it still looks crap. I bought some B&Q
quick-drying under coat and top coat. After four(!) under coats the wood
stain was still coming through. One coat of the Crown equivalent and it's
fine.

Another Dave
--
change nospam to f2s in e-mail

Apart from emulsion, own brand paint, especially primer, undercoat and top
coat, in my experience, is rubbish. The exception is Wickes Professional
range, otherwise it's Crown or Dulux, especially for outdoor use.


Interesting, I've used B&Q, Wickes, plus the "big brands" over the years and
never had a problem with any of them.

For outdoor wood, "Ranch paint" by international has the edge.

Brian

EricP wrote:
On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 17:13:57 +0100, "Codswallop"
wrote:

Apart from emulsion, own brand paint, especially primer, undercoat and top
coat, in my experience, is rubbish. The exception is Wickes Professional
range, otherwise it's Crown or Dulux, especially for outdoor use.

try Leyland. You will never look further.

http://www.leyland-paints.co.uk/site...t_majestic.asp

I'd vote for Leyland too, with Dulux second and Crown best avoided IMLE
with it. (Others seem to like it so mybe I had a bad batch.) Homemade
paints have been good for some jobs too so far, but is a different
animal to the commercial stuff.


NT

On 12 Oct 2006 11:16:07 -0700, wrote:


I'd vote for Leyland too, with Dulux second and Crown best avoided IMLE
with it. (Others seem to like it so mybe I had a bad batch.)

I and a few friends have had bad experiences with Crown, too. Emulsion
anyway.

--
Frank Erskine

"Brian Reay" wrote in message
...

"Codswallop" wrote in message
...
"Another Dave" wrote:
I never learn. I KNOW that if you pay half the price for paint you use
three times as much and it still looks crap. I bought some B&Q
quick-drying under coat and top coat. After four(!) under coats the wood
stain was still coming through. One coat of the Crown equivalent and it's
fine.

Another Dave
--
change nospam to f2s in e-mail

Apart from emulsion, own brand paint, especially primer, undercoat and
top coat, in my experience, is rubbish. The exception is Wickes
Professional range, otherwise it's Crown or Dulux, especially for outdoor
use.


Interesting, I've used B&Q, Wickes, plus the "big brands" over the years
and never had a problem with any of them.

For outdoor wood, "Ranch paint" by international has the edge.

Brian


We haven't looked back sonce someone on this ng talked about Farrow and Ball
paint. Yes I know it's expensive but we think it's worth paying for.

Mary

"Frank Erskine" wrote in message
...
On 12 Oct 2006 11:16:07 -0700, wrote:


I'd vote for Leyland too, with Dulux second and Crown best avoided IMLE
with it. (Others seem to like it so mybe I had a bad batch.)

I and a few friends have had bad experiences with Crown, too. Emulsion
anyway.


I am rather underwhelmed by Crown quick drying gloss, it shows the brush
marks and bubble pinholes quite badly.

Maybe all quick drying glosses are like that? I always used to use
traditional gloss, well for the rare occasion where I used gloss. But high
speed drying makes jobs so much easier to fit around the rest of life.

I have a tin of Leyland for the next job. It will be an interesting
comparison and I will report back on the results.

H

HLAH wrote:
"Frank Erskine" wrote in message
...
On 12 Oct 2006 11:16:07 -0700, wrote:


I'd vote for Leyland too, with Dulux second and Crown best avoided IMLE
with it. (Others seem to like it so mybe I had a bad batch.)
I and a few friends have had bad experiences with Crown, too. Emulsion
anyway.


I am rather underwhelmed by Crown quick drying gloss, it shows the brush
marks and bubble pinholes quite badly.

Maybe all quick drying glosses are like that?

Yes. Acrylics don't work well as a gloss finish

I always used to use
traditional gloss, well for the rare occasion where I used gloss. But high
speed drying makes jobs so much easier to fit around the rest of life.

I have a tin of Leyland for the next job. It will be an interesting
comparison and I will report back on the results.

H

Frank Erskine wrote:
On 12 Oct 2006 11:16:07 -0700, wrote:

I'd vote for Leyland too, with Dulux second and Crown best avoided IMLE
with it. (Others seem to like it so mybe I had a bad batch.)

I and a few friends have had bad experiences with Crown, too. Emulsion
anyway.

thier emulsion was what performed so badly for me too. It was so bad I
havent bought anything Crown since.


NT

HLAH wrote:

I am rather underwhelmed by Crown quick drying gloss, it shows the brush
marks and bubble pinholes quite badly.

Maybe all quick drying glosses are like that? I always used to use
traditional gloss, well for the rare occasion where I used gloss. But high
speed drying makes jobs so much easier to fit around the rest of life.

I have a tin of Leyland for the next job. It will be an interesting
comparison and I will report back on the results.

I think you'll be very pleased - but you ought to have 2 tins not one.
Undercoat and top are both needed with their stuff. Unlike many brands,
the undercoat carries nearly all the pigment, and the top coat has very
little but gives a great smooth finish. So I dont suggest using Leyland
topcoat without their undercoat first, it wont work satisfactorily
alone.


NT

In article om,
writes:

thier emulsion was what performed so badly for me too. It was so bad I
havent bought anything Crown since.

I was painting some pipework and radiators ~30 years ago.
I was using Dulux white gloss, but lent the tin to someone
else who needed it in a hurry. They replaced it with Crown
white gloss. The Crown paintwork had all gone yellow in
6 months.

I know an experience ~30 years ago probably has little
bearing on what might happen today, but I've never bought
any Crown paint since then. I wonder if manufacturers
realise how a bad product like this can have long term
repercussions?

--
Andrew Gabriel

Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article om,
writes:

thier emulsion was what performed so badly for me too. It was so bad I
havent bought anything Crown since.

I was painting some pipework and radiators ~30 years ago.
I was using Dulux white gloss, but lent the tin to someone
else who needed it in a hurry. They replaced it with Crown
white gloss. The Crown paintwork had all gone yellow in
6 months.

I know an experience ~30 years ago probably has little
bearing on what might happen today, but I've never bought
any Crown paint since then. I wonder if manufacturers
realise how a bad product like this can have long term
repercussions?

I wonder why they do it. Then again, once a product is on the shelves
it would cost a huge amount of money to discontinue it, and bizzes are
mostly running round try to milk the new cash cow, as failure to do so
is liable to cost them big, so I can understand the temptation to carry
on regardless. But its a real brand killer.


NT

wrote:
Andrew Gabriel wrote:

I was painting some pipework and radiators ~30 years ago.
I was using Dulux white gloss, but lent the tin to someone
else who needed it in a hurry. They replaced it with Crown
white gloss. The Crown paintwork had all gone yellow in
6 months.

I know an experience ~30 years ago probably has little
bearing on what might happen today, but I've never bought
any Crown paint since then. I wonder if manufacturers
realise how a bad product like this can have long term
repercussions?

I wonder why they do it. Then again, once a product is on the shelves
it would cost a huge amount of money to discontinue it, and bizzes are
mostly running round try to milk the new cash cow, as failure to do so
is liable to cost them big, so I can understand the temptation to carry
on regardless. But its a real brand killer.

I suspect denial comes into it as well. With any product launch there
will be some criticism, and I've seen management interpret negative
feedback as just more noise... no matter how much noise there was.


NT