Much to my objections my wife and daughter thought it would be cool to paint
one of her bedroom walls deep dark red. Before I knew what was going on she
went to the HI store and bought some Pittsburg Paint that was apparently
branded just for them because Pittsburg Paint does not show it on their
website but the "guy" told her it was their best stuff they carried at the
store and my believes anyone but me. My wife also bought some white primer
and rolled it on the wall before deciding that I should finish the job.

Just to start off I want to say that I have done a LOT of interior painting
in the past and never had a problem and never had to put on more then two
coats of anything but our colors were all in the neutral color range.

Well I started to roll this stuff on and it was like painting waxed paper. I
got done and it looked like crap with some places locking light and others
dark but their was nothing more I could do until it dried and applied
another coat. I came back a while later and much to my horror there were
more than a few places where this stuff ran and globbed down and in spots.
Now it looks really bad. I have never seen anything like that before and
when I roll paint I don't glob it on but put on a consistent medium coat and
closely examine my job as I go along in the light at an angle to look for
problem areas like too heavy application so I can smooth it out.
Interestingly she bought the same exact paint brand in a medium brown color
and it went on fine?? Another thing about the red stuff is that it took me
forever to stir and shake to get it to be one color.

Has anyone else experienced anything like that. Do you think the paint may
have been defective or that when they mixed it at the store they did
something wrong such as using wrong materials or wrong quantities?? At this
point I am going to go and get some Benjamin Moore or Pratt and Lambert in a
close color, in a non custom color if possible and paint until the color
looks consistent at least. I don't know what to do about the paint that ran
and dried. Maybe I should try to get it off with goof off and a scraper or
would that make matters worse? Any other suggestions are highly appreciated.

I have told her 100 times to buy Benjamin Moore paint but I guess that is
too inconvenient for her. She always gets what the "guy" tells her is best
at whatever store she is buying the paint at. Last time she got Behr at HD
and I showed her how drippy it was and then she says well it was their best
paint. By now you are probably saying why don't you go get the paint your
self stupid ass. I would but my wife spends dozens and dozens of hours
shopping for paint and can't make up her mind and then asks me what I like
but then does not like what I pick out so I avoid the whole shopping end of
buying paint and just do the production part. Anyhow the good news is I
think she is finally going to listen to me about what brand paint to buy and
where to get it at. --- Steve

On Sun 21 Aug 2005 10:30:27p, Steven L Umbach wrote in alt.home.repair:

Much to my objections my wife and daughter thought it would be cool to
paint one of her bedroom walls deep dark red. Before I knew what was
going on she went to the HI store and bought some Pittsburg Paint that
was apparently branded just for them because Pittsburg Paint does not
show it on their website but the "guy" told her it was their best stuff
they carried at the store and my believes anyone but me. My wife also
bought some white primer and rolled it on the wall before deciding that
I should finish the job.

Just to start off I want to say that I have done a LOT of interior
painting in the past and never had a problem and never had to put on
more then two coats of anything but our colors were all in the neutral
color range.

Well I started to roll this stuff on and it was like painting waxed
paper. I got done and it looked like crap with some places locking light
and others dark but their was nothing more I could do until it dried and
applied another coat. I came back a while later and much to my horror
there were more than a few places where this stuff ran and globbed down
and in spots. Now it looks really bad. I have never seen anything like
that before and when I roll paint I don't glob it on but put on a
consistent medium coat and closely examine my job as I go along in the
light at an angle to look for problem areas like too heavy application
so I can smooth it out. Interestingly she bought the same exact paint
brand in a medium brown color and it went on fine?? Another thing about
the red stuff is that it took me forever to stir and shake to get it to
be one color.

Has anyone else experienced anything like that. Do you think the paint
may have been defective or that when they mixed it at the store they did
something wrong such as using wrong materials or wrong quantities?? At
this point I am going to go and get some Benjamin Moore or Pratt and
Lambert in a close color, in a non custom color if possible and paint
until the color looks consistent at least. I don't know what to do about
the paint that ran and dried. Maybe I should try to get it off with goof
off and a scraper or would that make matters worse? Any other
suggestions are highly appreciated.

I have told her 100 times to buy Benjamin Moore paint but I guess that
is too inconvenient for her. She always gets what the "guy" tells her is
best at whatever store she is buying the paint at. Last time she got
Behr at HD and I showed her how drippy it was and then she says well it
was their best paint. By now you are probably saying why don't you go
get the paint your self stupid ass. I would but my wife spends dozens
and dozens of hours shopping for paint and can't make up her mind and
then asks me what I like but then does not like what I pick out so I
avoid the whole shopping end of buying paint and just do the production
part. Anyhow the good news is I think she is finally going to listen to
me about what brand paint to buy and where to get it at. --- Steve

Either make your wife do it, or hire a painter and forget about it.

--
Wayne Boatwright *¿*
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You poor darling....being outnumbered by females is a dreadful fate. At
least you have the good judgement to buy decent paint ) I don't know
about removing globbies....hot soapy water will remove dried latex
paint, but it may make a worse mess in your situation. I would let it
cure, then shave or sand down the globbies and repaint. Dark red (and
some dark blue) paints are made with pigment that is rather transparent
and require more coats. Where did I learn that? At the Benjamin Moore
store, of course ) Good luck. BTW, it takes us so frigging long to
shop because our mates gripe so much and we want to pick out the RIGHT
THING )

On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 00:30:27 -0500, "Steven L Umbach"
wrote:

Well I started to roll this stuff on and it was like painting waxed paper. I
got done and it looked like crap with some places locking light and others
dark but their was nothing more I could do until it dried and applied
another coat. I came back a while later and much to my horror there were
more than a few places where this stuff ran and globbed down and in spots.
Now it looks really bad. I have never seen anything like that before and
when I roll paint I don't glob it on but put on a consistent medium coat and
closely examine my job as I go along in the light at an angle to look for
problem areas like too heavy application so I can smooth it out.
Interestingly she bought the same exact paint brand in a medium brown color
and it went on fine?? Another thing about the red stuff is that it took me
forever to stir and shake to get it to be one color.

It may have been partially the paint's fault, but that's a problem
I've experienced almost every time I've used red, regardless of brand.
I generally expect to apply 3-4 coats minium to get an even coat of
that color.

As the previous reply said, red pigmented paint is especially
transparent and requires more coats than other colors. Even the best
red paint will require extra work, but what you're describing sounds
like it's defective (or is Pittsburgh as bad as I've heard?). The most
important thing for red (and other dark colors), which "the guy" should
have told your wife, is to use a dark primer - either gray or tinted
with the red you're using.
For removing the drips, scrape first - but gently - and then try to
smooth with a moist sponge, rinsing often. Let dry at least 24 hrs
before starting over.
Try finding a paint specialist in your area and direct your better half
there next time. At least "the guy" will be more likely to know what
he's talking about, and selling a decent quality product. Good Luck!

Thanks for that info. I was not concerned about the color coverage as much
as the running. I was able to get off the dries runs with a single edge
razor in a glass scraper. I did not push into the dried paint but instead
scraped across it at different angles and that worked pretty good since it
was still soft. I am still going to get a different paint today! --- Steve


"Prometheus" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 00:30:27 -0500, "Steven L Umbach"
wrote:

Well I started to roll this stuff on and it was like painting waxed paper.
I
got done and it looked like crap with some places locking light and others
dark but their was nothing more I could do until it dried and applied
another coat. I came back a while later and much to my horror there were
more than a few places where this stuff ran and globbed down and in
spots.
Now it looks really bad. I have never seen anything like that before and
when I roll paint I don't glob it on but put on a consistent medium coat
and
closely examine my job as I go along in the light at an angle to look for
problem areas like too heavy application so I can smooth it out.
Interestingly she bought the same exact paint brand in a medium brown
color
and it went on fine?? Another thing about the red stuff is that it took me
forever to stir and shake to get it to be one color.

It may have been partially the paint's fault, but that's a problem
I've experienced almost every time I've used red, regardless of brand.
I generally expect to apply 3-4 coats minium to get an even coat of
that color.

Steven L Umbach wrote:
Much to my objections my wife and daughter thought it would be cool
to paint one of her bedroom walls deep dark red. Before I knew what
was going on she went to the HI store and bought some Pittsburg Paint
that was apparently branded just for them because Pittsburg Paint
does not show it on their website but the "guy" told her it was their
best stuff they carried at the store and my believes anyone but me.
My wife also bought some white primer and rolled it on the wall
before deciding that I should finish the job.
Just to start off I want to say that I have done a LOT of interior
painting in the past and never had a problem and never had to put on
more then two coats of anything but our colors were all in the
neutral color range.
Well I started to roll this stuff on and it was like painting waxed
paper. I got done and it looked like crap with some places locking
light and others dark but their was nothing more I could do until it
dried and applied another coat. I came back a while later and much to
my horror there were more than a few places where this stuff ran and
globbed down and in spots. Now it looks really bad. I have never
seen anything like that before and when I roll paint I don't glob it
on but put on a consistent medium coat and closely examine my job as
I go along in the light at an angle to look for problem areas like
too heavy application so I can smooth it out. Interestingly she
bought the same exact paint brand in a medium brown color and it went
on fine?? Another thing about the red stuff is that it took me
forever to stir and shake to get it to be one color.
Has anyone else experienced anything like that. Do you think the
paint may have been defective or that when they mixed it at the store
they did something wrong such as using wrong materials or wrong
quantities?? At this point I am going to go and get some Benjamin
Moore or Pratt and Lambert in a close color, in a non custom color if
possible and paint until the color looks consistent at least. I don't
know what to do about the paint that ran and dried. Maybe I should
try to get it off with goof off and a scraper or would that make
matters worse? Any other suggestions are highly appreciated.
I have told her 100 times to buy Benjamin Moore paint but I guess
that is too inconvenient for her. She always gets what the "guy"
tells her is best at whatever store she is buying the paint at. Last
time she got Behr at HD and I showed her how drippy it was and then
she says well it was their best paint. By now you are probably
saying why don't you go get the paint your self stupid ass. I would
but my wife spends dozens and dozens of hours shopping for paint and
can't make up her mind and then asks me what I like but then does not
like what I pick out so I avoid the whole shopping end of buying
paint and just do the production part. Anyhow the good news is I
think she is finally going to listen to me about what brand paint to
buy and where to get it at. --- Steve

Was that white primer compatible with the paint???

--
Joseph Meehan

Dia duit

Its probably too late now but Pittsburgh Paint has two lines. Manor hall is
their premium paint and in my experience is equivalent with Benjamin Moore.
I use only those two, exclusively. Red is a hard color to begin with. A
tinted, compatible primer should have been used. It sounds like something
was amis. with either the primer or the mix of the top coat. Are you sure it
was thoroughly stirred? Are you sure the primer was compatible? Was this
just a store brand paint made by Pitt?
"Steven L Umbach" wrote in message
...
Much to my objections my wife and daughter thought it would be cool to
paint one of her bedroom walls deep dark red. Before I knew what was
going on she went to the HI store and bought some Pittsburg Paint that was
apparently branded just for them because Pittsburg Paint does not show it
on their website but the "guy" told her it was their best stuff they
carried at the store and my believes anyone but me. My wife also bought
some white primer and rolled it on the wall before deciding that I should
finish the job.

Just to start off I want to say that I have done a LOT of interior
painting in the past and never had a problem and never had to put on more
then two coats of anything but our colors were all in the neutral color
range.

Well I started to roll this stuff on and it was like painting waxed paper.
I got done and it looked like crap with some places locking light and
others dark but their was nothing more I could do until it dried and
applied another coat. I came back a while later and much to my horror
there were more than a few places where this stuff ran and globbed down
and in spots. Now it looks really bad. I have never seen anything like
that before and when I roll paint I don't glob it on but put on a
consistent medium coat and closely examine my job as I go along in the
light at an angle to look for problem areas like too heavy application so
I can smooth it out. Interestingly she bought the same exact paint brand
in a medium brown color and it went on fine?? Another thing about the red
stuff is that it took me forever to stir and shake to get it to be one
color.

Has anyone else experienced anything like that. Do you think the paint may
have been defective or that when they mixed it at the store they did
something wrong such as using wrong materials or wrong quantities?? At
this point I am going to go and get some Benjamin Moore or Pratt and
Lambert in a close color, in a non custom color if possible and paint
until the color looks consistent at least. I don't know what to do about
the paint that ran and dried. Maybe I should try to get it off with goof
off and a scraper or would that make matters worse? Any other suggestions
are highly appreciated.

I have told her 100 times to buy Benjamin Moore paint but I guess that is
too inconvenient for her. She always gets what the "guy" tells her is best
at whatever store she is buying the paint at. Last time she got Behr at HD
and I showed her how drippy it was and then she says well it was their
best paint. By now you are probably saying why don't you go get the paint
your self stupid ass. I would but my wife spends dozens and dozens of
hours shopping for paint and can't make up her mind and then asks me what
I like but then does not like what I pick out so I avoid the whole
shopping end of buying paint and just do the production part. Anyhow the
good news is I think she is finally going to listen to me about what brand
paint to buy and where to get it at. --- Steve

Thanks for that info.

I was able to remove the drips for the most part with a single edge razor
blade in a holder that you use to scrape glass but instead of cutting into
the drips I scraped over them at different angles.

My wife went to the Benjamin Moore paint store. The first thing the "lady"
said was that we must be using Behr paint from the description. My wife said
no that it was Pittsburg paint and she was surprised because she said they
rarely get a complaint about Pittsburg paints. Then she said we could have
gotten a bad batch or incorrectly mixed at the store where we bought it.

We got some BM primer that went on like a dream, completely covering the old
mess and leaving a dark pink color. I will be trying the BM paint in a
couple hours. They told my wife to expect to take up to four coats for the
color we are using. --- Steve


"siralfred" wrote in message
ups.com...
As the previous reply said, red pigmented paint is especially
transparent and requires more coats than other colors. Even the best
red paint will require extra work, but what you're describing sounds
like it's defective (or is Pittsburgh as bad as I've heard?). The most
important thing for red (and other dark colors), which "the guy" should
have told your wife, is to use a dark primer - either gray or tinted
with the red you're using.
For removing the drips, scrape first - but gently - and then try to
smooth with a moist sponge, rinsing often. Let dry at least 24 hrs
before starting over.
Try finding a paint specialist in your area and direct your better half
there next time. At least "the guy" will be more likely to know what
he's talking about, and selling a decent quality product. Good Luck!

The primer was called Zinnser FastPrime 2 and it said that it for use over
and under latex wall paint on drywall. Maybe my wife did not bother to shake
or mix it properly?? --- Steve


"Joseph Meehan" wrote in message
.. .
Steven L Umbach wrote:
Much to my objections my wife and daughter thought it would be cool
to paint one of her bedroom walls deep dark red. Before I knew what
was going on she went to the HI store and bought some Pittsburg Paint
that was apparently branded just for them because Pittsburg Paint
does not show it on their website but the "guy" told her it was their
best stuff they carried at the store and my believes anyone but me.
My wife also bought some white primer and rolled it on the wall
before deciding that I should finish the job.
Just to start off I want to say that I have done a LOT of interior
painting in the past and never had a problem and never had to put on
more then two coats of anything but our colors were all in the
neutral color range.
Well I started to roll this stuff on and it was like painting waxed
paper. I got done and it looked like crap with some places locking
light and others dark but their was nothing more I could do until it
dried and applied another coat. I came back a while later and much to
my horror there were more than a few places where this stuff ran and
globbed down and in spots. Now it looks really bad. I have never
seen anything like that before and when I roll paint I don't glob it
on but put on a consistent medium coat and closely examine my job as
I go along in the light at an angle to look for problem areas like
too heavy application so I can smooth it out. Interestingly she
bought the same exact paint brand in a medium brown color and it went
on fine?? Another thing about the red stuff is that it took me
forever to stir and shake to get it to be one color.
Has anyone else experienced anything like that. Do you think the
paint may have been defective or that when they mixed it at the store
they did something wrong such as using wrong materials or wrong
quantities?? At this point I am going to go and get some Benjamin
Moore or Pratt and Lambert in a close color, in a non custom color if
possible and paint until the color looks consistent at least. I don't
know what to do about the paint that ran and dried. Maybe I should
try to get it off with goof off and a scraper or would that make
matters worse? Any other suggestions are highly appreciated.
I have told her 100 times to buy Benjamin Moore paint but I guess
that is too inconvenient for her. She always gets what the "guy"
tells her is best at whatever store she is buying the paint at. Last
time she got Behr at HD and I showed her how drippy it was and then
she says well it was their best paint. By now you are probably
saying why don't you go get the paint your self stupid ass. I would
but my wife spends dozens and dozens of hours shopping for paint and
can't make up her mind and then asks me what I like but then does not
like what I pick out so I avoid the whole shopping end of buying
paint and just do the production part. Anyhow the good news is I
think she is finally going to listen to me about what brand paint to
buy and where to get it at. --- Steve

Was that white primer compatible with the paint???

--
Joseph Meehan

Dia duit

The primer was Zinnser FastPrime 2 from Menards which is supposed to work
over or under latex paint on drywall, etc. The paint was called Pittsburg
Distinction with lifetime warranty from Menards. I could not find any info
about it on Pittsburg Paints website so it must be a store brand. My wife
went to Benjamin Moore paint dealer and they said they rarely have
complaints about Pittsburg paint. Maybe my wife did not mix the primer
enough? I had a hard time mixing the paint and spent over ten minutes
stirring it like a crazy man [could not find my drill stirrer]. So I am not
exactly sure what happened but I was able to clean up the paint drips or
"mini paint sildes" failry well and the Benjamin Moore primer went on like a
dream completely covering the old mess and leaving a dark pink color. They
said to expect to use at least three coats of paint over the primer for that
red color. Hopefully things will go smooth from here. --- Steve


"No" wrote in message
...
Its probably too late now but Pittsburgh Paint has two lines. Manor hall
is their premium paint and in my experience is equivalent with Benjamin
Moore. I use only those two, exclusively. Red is a hard color to begin
with. A tinted, compatible primer should have been used. It sounds like
something was amis. with either the primer or the mix of the top coat. Are
you sure it was thoroughly stirred? Are you sure the primer was
compatible? Was this just a store brand paint made by Pitt?
"Steven L Umbach" wrote in message
...
Much to my objections my wife and daughter thought it would be cool to
paint one of her bedroom walls deep dark red. Before I knew what was
going on she went to the HI store and bought some Pittsburg Paint that
was apparently branded just for them because Pittsburg Paint does not
show it on their website but the "guy" told her it was their best stuff
they carried at the store and my believes anyone but me. My wife also
bought some white primer and rolled it on the wall before deciding that I
should finish the job.

Just to start off I want to say that I have done a LOT of interior
painting in the past and never had a problem and never had to put on more
then two coats of anything but our colors were all in the neutral color
range.

Well I started to roll this stuff on and it was like painting waxed
paper. I got done and it looked like crap with some places locking light
and others dark but their was nothing more I could do until it dried and
applied another coat. I came back a while later and much to my horror
there were more than a few places where this stuff ran and globbed down
and in spots. Now it looks really bad. I have never seen anything like
that before and when I roll paint I don't glob it on but put on a
consistent medium coat and closely examine my job as I go along in the
light at an angle to look for problem areas like too heavy application so
I can smooth it out. Interestingly she bought the same exact paint brand
in a medium brown color and it went on fine?? Another thing about the red
stuff is that it took me forever to stir and shake to get it to be one
color.

Has anyone else experienced anything like that. Do you think the paint
may have been defective or that when they mixed it at the store they did
something wrong such as using wrong materials or wrong quantities?? At
this point I am going to go and get some Benjamin Moore or Pratt and
Lambert in a close color, in a non custom color if possible and paint
until the color looks consistent at least. I don't know what to do about
the paint that ran and dried. Maybe I should try to get it off with goof
off and a scraper or would that make matters worse? Any other suggestions
are highly appreciated.

I have told her 100 times to buy Benjamin Moore paint but I guess that is
too inconvenient for her. She always gets what the "guy" tells her is
best at whatever store she is buying the paint at. Last time she got Behr
at HD and I showed her how drippy it was and then she says well it was
their best paint. By now you are probably saying why don't you go get
the paint your self stupid ass. I would but my wife spends dozens and
dozens of hours shopping for paint and can't make up her mind and then
asks me what I like but then does not like what I pick out so I avoid the
whole shopping end of buying paint and just do the production part.
Anyhow the good news is I think she is finally going to listen to me
about what brand paint to buy and where to get it at. --- Steve

I think it was already mentioned here, but use a tinted primer. If
you're buying BM paint at an BM store they can tint the primer so its
compatible with the wall color. Painted the dining room a deep terra
cotta over a tinted primer. It took three coats but looks great. It
also helps that my sister works for BM and I'm always getting these
little helpful tidbits.

Cheers,
Steve

Steven L Umbach wrote:
Thanks for that info.

I was able to remove the drips for the most part with a single edge razor
blade in a holder that you use to scrape glass but instead of cutting into
the drips I scraped over them at different angles.

My wife went to the Benjamin Moore paint store. The first thing the "lady"
said was that we must be using Behr paint from the description. My wife said
no that it was Pittsburg paint and she was surprised because she said they
rarely get a complaint about Pittsburg paints. Then she said we could have
gotten a bad batch or incorrectly mixed at the store where we bought it.

It should be mixed immediately before use, even though it was mixed at
the store.

On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 13:43:21 -0500, "Steven L Umbach"
wrote:

The primer was Zinnser FastPrime 2 from Menards which is supposed to work
over or under latex paint on drywall, etc. The paint was called Pittsburg
Distinction with lifetime warranty from Menards. I could not find any info
about it on Pittsburg Paints website so it must be a store brand. My wife
went to Benjamin Moore paint dealer and they said they rarely have
complaints about Pittsburg paint. Maybe my wife did not mix the primer
enough? I had a hard time mixing the paint and spent over ten minutes
stirring it like a crazy man [could not find my drill stirrer]. So I am not
exactly sure what happened but I was able to clean up the paint drips or
"mini paint sildes" failry well and the Benjamin Moore primer went on like a
dream completely covering the old mess and leaving a dark pink color. They
said to expect to use at least three coats of paint over the primer for that
red color. Hopefully things will go smooth from here. --- Steve

Zinnser has always worked well for me... no compatibility issues that
I've ever run across. But the thing that stuck out at me was your
mention of "mini paint slides". I used to have a problem with that,
if it's what I'm thinking of, and it was because of not waiting long
enough for the first coat to dry to recoat, or overworking the surface
by trying to touch up areas after the paint had begun to set up.

It's really worth waiting a while, even as long as an entire day,
between coats. Seems simple and sometimes unneccesary, but it really
makes a big difference in the finished product.

Thanks for that info.

I did notice the problem right away on the first coat though I may also have
applied the second coat to soon. I still think there was a problem with that
particular gallon of paint. I used three coats of Benjamin Moore after using
their tinted primer and it looks great now. They did suggest to give the
first coat 24 hours to dry and then 8 to 24 hours for coats after that. This
is the first time I have ever had problem with painting [53 years young
here] and it was a good but expensive learning experience. Anyhow daughter
is happy with the new look of her room and that is worth a lot more. ---
Steve



"Prometheus" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 13:43:21 -0500, "Steven L Umbach"
wrote:

The primer was Zinnser FastPrime 2 from Menards which is supposed to work
over or under latex paint on drywall, etc. The paint was called Pittsburg
Distinction with lifetime warranty from Menards. I could not find any info
about it on Pittsburg Paints website so it must be a store brand. My wife
went to Benjamin Moore paint dealer and they said they rarely have
complaints about Pittsburg paint. Maybe my wife did not mix the primer
enough? I had a hard time mixing the paint and spent over ten minutes
stirring it like a crazy man [could not find my drill stirrer]. So I am
not
exactly sure what happened but I was able to clean up the paint drips or
"mini paint sildes" failry well and the Benjamin Moore primer went on like
a
dream completely covering the old mess and leaving a dark pink color. They
said to expect to use at least three coats of paint over the primer for
that
red color. Hopefully things will go smooth from here. --- Steve

Zinnser has always worked well for me... no compatibility issues that
I've ever run across. But the thing that stuck out at me was your
mention of "mini paint slides". I used to have a problem with that,
if it's what I'm thinking of, and it was because of not waiting long
enough for the first coat to dry to recoat, or overworking the surface
by trying to touch up areas after the paint had begun to set up.

It's really worth waiting a while, even as long as an entire day,
between coats. Seems simple and sometimes unneccesary, but it really
makes a big difference in the finished product.

Interesting. It must be hard to make or mix a good gallon of deep red
int! -- Steve

"Cindy" wrote in message
.. .
In article , Steven L Umbach says...

Much to my objections my wife and daughter thought it would be cool to
paint
one of her bedroom walls deep dark red. Before I knew what was going on
she
went to the HI store and bought some Pittsburg Paint that was apparently
branded just for them because Pittsburg Paint does not show it on their
website but the "guy" told her it was their best stuff they carried at the
store and my believes anyone but me. My wife also bought some white primer
and rolled it on the wall before deciding that I should finish the job.

Just to start off I want to say that I have done a LOT of interior
painting
in the past and never had a problem and never had to put on more then two
coats of anything but our colors were all in the neutral color range.

Well I started to roll this stuff on and it was like painting waxed paper.
I
got done and it looked like crap with some places locking light and others
dark but their was nothing more I could do until it dried and applied
another coat. I came back a while later and much to my horror there were
more than a few places where this stuff ran and globbed down and in
spots.
Now it looks really bad. I have never seen anything like that before and
when I roll paint I don't glob it on but put on a consistent medium coat
and
closely examine my job as I go along in the light at an angle to look for
problem areas like too heavy application so I can smooth it out.
Interestingly she bought the same exact paint brand in a medium brown
color
and it went on fine?? Another thing about the red stuff is that it took me
forever to stir and shake to get it to be one color.

Has anyone else experienced anything like that. Do you think the paint may
have been defective or that when they mixed it at the store they did
something wrong such as using wrong materials or wrong quantities?? At
this
point I am going to go and get some Benjamin Moore or Pratt and Lambert in
a
close color, in a non custom color if possible and paint until the color
looks consistent at least. I don't know what to do about the paint that
ran
and dried. Maybe I should try to get it off with goof off and a scraper or
would that make matters worse? Any other suggestions are highly
appreciated.

I have told her 100 times to buy Benjamin Moore paint but I guess that is
too inconvenient for her. She always gets what the "guy" tells her is best
at whatever store she is buying the paint at. Last time she got Behr at HD
and I showed her how drippy it was and then she says well it was their
best
paint. By now you are probably saying why don't you go get the paint your
self stupid ass. I would but my wife spends dozens and dozens of hours
shopping for paint and can't make up her mind and then asks me what I like
but then does not like what I pick out so I avoid the whole shopping end
of
buying paint and just do the production part. Anyhow the good news is I
think she is finally going to listen to me about what brand paint to buy
and
where to get it at. --- Steve




Hi Steve,

I saw the exact same situation on "Weekend Warriors" on HGTV. Red wall,
drippy,
etc. It ended up being the paint. They returned it, got new stuff and it
worked
fine. Glad your wife is listening to you :-)

Cin


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On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 23:30:36 -0500, "Steven L Umbach"
wrote:

Thanks for that info.

I did notice the problem right away on the first coat though I may also have
applied the second coat to soon. I still think there was a problem with that
particular gallon of paint. I used three coats of Benjamin Moore after using
their tinted primer and it looks great now. They did suggest to give the
first coat 24 hours to dry and then 8 to 24 hours for coats after that. This
is the first time I have ever had problem with painting [53 years young
here] and it was a good but expensive learning experience. Anyhow daughter
is happy with the new look of her room and that is worth a lot more. ---
Steve

Yep- Benjamin Moore and Sherwin Williams are great products. I gave
up on the cheap junk after repainting the entire interior of my house,
and *then* using the good stuff at work. Difference as dramatic as
night and day, to be sure!

On 29 Aug 2005 21:48:48 -0700, Cindy wrote:

In article , Prometheus says...

On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 23:30:36 -0500, "Steven L Umbach"
wrote:

Thanks for that info.

I did notice the problem right away on the first coat though I may also have
applied the second coat to soon. I still think there was a problem with that
particular gallon of paint. I used three coats of Benjamin Moore after using
their tinted primer and it looks great now. They did suggest to give the
first coat 24 hours to dry and then 8 to 24 hours for coats after that. This
is the first time I have ever had problem with painting [53 years young
here] and it was a good but expensive learning experience. Anyhow daughter
is happy with the new look of her room and that is worth a lot more. ---
Steve

Yep- Benjamin Moore and Sherwin Williams are great products. I gave
up on the cheap junk after repainting the entire interior of my house,
and *then* using the good stuff at work. Difference as dramatic as
night and day, to be sure!



Same here, Prometheus. I've painted almost the entire interior of my house with
only Sherwin Williams and love it. Their Duration line is absolutely incredible
and although pricey ($40 a gallon) is worth it in busy areas of a home. I was at
Big Lots the other day and saw "Long Life" paint for $4.99 a gallon and my
husband and I cracked up.

Yeah- *sigh*. My big goof was the Bob Vila paint that was clearanced
out at Sears a while back- $4.99 a gallon. Ended up costing a bit
more than that when it turned out it took 4-5 gallons to do a job that
should have only needed one.

Selecting a color for family room walls started with Sherwin Williams
quart tinted then a splotch on a wall. After three tries wife
insisted on HD Behr sample based on cost. A serious difference in
coverage and color intensity! She doesn't insist on price at HD any
longer.

On 30 Aug 2005 20:18:57 -0700, Cindy wrote:

Yeah- *sigh*. My big goof was the Bob Vila paint that was clearanced
out at Sears a while back- $4.99 a gallon. Ended up costing a bit
more than that when it turned out it took 4-5 gallons to do a job that
should have only needed one.

I always wondered what symptoms cheap paint would display and I think you just
answered my question!

Cin

On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:09:26 -0500, Prometheus wrote:

On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 23:30:36 -0500, "Steven L Umbach"
wrote:

Thanks for that info.

I did notice the problem right away on the first coat though I may also have
applied the second coat to soon. I still think there was a problem with that
particular gallon of paint. I used three coats of Benjamin Moore after using
their tinted primer and it looks great now. They did suggest to give the
first coat 24 hours to dry and then 8 to 24 hours for coats after that. This
is the first time I have ever had problem with painting [53 years young
here] and it was a good but expensive learning experience. Anyhow daughter
is happy with the new look of her room and that is worth a lot more. ---
Steve

Yep- Benjamin Moore and Sherwin Williams are great products. I gave
up on the cheap junk after repainting the entire interior of my house,
and *then* using the good stuff at work. Difference as dramatic as
night and day, to be sure!

Absolutely! I no longer allow my wife to buy paint. If it needs to be
painted it's my job, so I pick the supplies. The Benjamin Moore
products are amazing (not to mention th help I get from the local store),
compared to the cheap ****. Yes, it's expensive stuff but so is my
frustration. BTW, she doesn't get to pick colors anymore either. ;-)

--
Keith

On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 20:29:55 -0500, Prometheus wrote:

On 29 Aug 2005 21:48:48 -0700, Cindy wrote:

In article , Prometheus says...

On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 23:30:36 -0500, "Steven L Umbach"
wrote:

Thanks for that info.

I did notice the problem right away on the first coat though I may also have
applied the second coat to soon. I still think there was a problem with that
particular gallon of paint. I used three coats of Benjamin Moore after using
their tinted primer and it looks great now. They did suggest to give the
first coat 24 hours to dry and then 8 to 24 hours for coats after that. This
is the first time I have ever had problem with painting [53 years young
here] and it was a good but expensive learning experience. Anyhow daughter
is happy with the new look of her room and that is worth a lot more. ---
Steve

Yep- Benjamin Moore and Sherwin Williams are great products. I gave
up on the cheap junk after repainting the entire interior of my house,
and *then* using the good stuff at work. Difference as dramatic as
night and day, to be sure!



Same here, Prometheus. I've painted almost the entire interior of my house with
only Sherwin Williams and love it. Their Duration line is absolutely incredible
and although pricey ($40 a gallon) is worth it in busy areas of a home. I was at
Big Lots the other day and saw "Long Life" paint for $4.99 a gallon and my
husband and I cracked up.

Yeah- *sigh*. My big goof was the Bob Vila paint that was clearanced
out at Sears a while back- $4.99 a gallon. Ended up costing a bit
more than that when it turned out it took 4-5 gallons to do a job that
should have only needed one.

Good grief! Bob Vila doesn't even know which end of the brush to hold,
and people buy paint with his name on it?

--
Keith

On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 20:18:57 -0700, Cindy wrote:

In article , Prometheus says...

On 29 Aug 2005 21:48:48 -0700, Cindy wrote:

In article , Prometheus says...

On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 23:30:36 -0500, "Steven L Umbach"
wrote:

Thanks for that info.

I did notice the problem right away on the first coat though I may also have
applied the second coat to soon. I still think there was a problem with that
particular gallon of paint. I used three coats of Benjamin Moore after using
their tinted primer and it looks great now. They did suggest to give the
first coat 24 hours to dry and then 8 to 24 hours for coats after that. This
is the first time I have ever had problem with painting [53 years young
here] and it was a good but expensive learning experience. Anyhow daughter
is happy with the new look of her room and that is worth a lot more. ---
Steve

Yep- Benjamin Moore and Sherwin Williams are great products. I gave
up on the cheap junk after repainting the entire interior of my house,
and *then* using the good stuff at work. Difference as dramatic as
night and day, to be sure!



Same here, Prometheus. I've painted almost the entire interior of my house with
only Sherwin Williams and love it. Their Duration line is absolutely incredible
and although pricey ($40 a gallon) is worth it in busy areas of a home. I was at
Big Lots the other day and saw "Long Life" paint for $4.99 a gallon and my
husband and I cracked up.

Yeah- *sigh*. My big goof was the Bob Vila paint that was clearanced
out at Sears a while back- $4.99 a gallon. Ended up costing a bit
more than that when it turned out it took 4-5 gallons to do a job that
should have only needed one.

I always wondered what symptoms cheap paint would display and I think you just
answered my question!

I didn't see drips and spatters anywhere above. Good pain is 100% latex
and is designed to hold to the brush/roller and spread on the wall. It's
a "non-newtonian fluid", designed to slide when pressure is applied and
glop otherwise. Cheap paints have clay as a filler don't spread a nicely
and will soak up any moisture around. ...including the next coat.

Saving a few bux on paint is foolish. ...even a 50% savings is dumb,
considering the time spent on the job.


--
Keith


Cin

"nospambob" wrote in message
...
Selecting a color for family room walls started with Sherwin Williams
quart tinted then a splotch on a wall. After three tries wife
insisted on HD Behr sample based on cost. A serious difference in
coverage and color intensity! She doesn't insist on price at HD any
longer.

There is no such thing as Sherwin Williams paint. You might as well say
"Fords are small cars" when we don't have the slightest idea if you're
talking about a Focus or Crown Victoria.

"keith" wrote in message
news

Yep- Benjamin Moore and Sherwin Williams are great products. I gave
up on the cheap junk after repainting the entire interior of my house,
and *then* using the good stuff at work. Difference as dramatic as
night and day, to be sure!

Both BM and SW make cheap junky paint, and they both make expensive high
quality paint. It's useless to talk about brand without talking about
product.

"keith" wrote in message
news

I didn't see drips and spatters anywhere above. Good pain is 100% latex
and is designed to hold to the brush/roller and spread on the wall. It's
a "non-newtonian fluid", designed to slide when pressure is applied and
glop otherwise. Cheap paints have clay as a filler don't spread a nicely
and will soak up any moisture around. ...including the next coat.

Saving a few bux on paint is foolish. ...even a 50% savings is dumb,
considering the time spent on the job.

Agreed, except that good paint is 100% acrylic. I don't think 100% latex
makes any sense. Anyway, I like to say - I don't use cheap paint. I can't
afford it.

In article ,
says...

"keith" wrote in message
news

Yep- Benjamin Moore and Sherwin Williams are great products. I gave
up on the cheap junk after repainting the entire interior of my house,
and *then* using the good stuff at work. Difference as dramatic as
night and day, to be sure!

Both BM and SW make cheap junky paint, and they both make expensive high
quality paint. It's useless to talk about brand without talking about
product.

Actually, I didn't write any of the above.

I don't doubt that BM and SW make some junk, but I haven't seen any of
it. The store I buy BM products doesn't seem to carry them. ;-)

--
Keith

We selected the color THEY selected the particular type of paint. Same
approach at HD results in a completely different end result. Behr from
HD was a POOR last place. The label had Sherwin Williams on it and a
LOT more that I wouldn't remember. Sorry if my post was too
inadequate for you. Kill file the name?

On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 11:56:16 GMT, "jeffc" wrote:


"nospambob" wrote in message
.. .
Selecting a color for family room walls started with Sherwin Williams
quart tinted then a splotch on a wall. After three tries wife
insisted on HD Behr sample based on cost. A serious difference in
coverage and color intensity! She doesn't insist on price at HD any
longer.

There is no such thing as Sherwin Williams paint. You might as well say
"Fords are small cars" when we don't have the slightest idea if you're
talking about a Focus or Crown Victoria.