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Hi All,
At my secret headquarters, I have a couple of bell boxes similar to this http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/External-Alarm...QQcmdZViewItem but the horizontal design. They were looking a bit tired so I decided to take them down and paint them and make up some new signage for them with my table top publishing system and laminator, and possibly add a flashing led if I can be bothered to wire up an LV supply to them. I have given one of them a few coats of car type (cellulose??) primer and then a top coat, but whtether due to the paint being old stock, or my ineptitude with a spray can, the result isn't brilliant. I wondered about going out to buy a new can of top coat, but then thought by the time i'd done that and bought another can of primer for the second box, I could probably have bought a more modern looking bell box. I had a look on ebay, but most of them seem to be going for silly money. So, to the questions............ Firstly, is any self respecting theif going to be frightened off by the sight of an old style bell box, or do I need to re -invest in something more sexy? If the latter, does anyone know a good source of these? Cheers |
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Get your crime prevention officer round for free.
He will probably recommend (in order) dogs, security lighting, high fences and gates (locked), better house locks/doors - and way down the list at the worthless end - dummy bellboxes. Remember the modern thief probably picks up your bin and hurls it through the window - grabs what he can, threatens to slice up anyone he sees - and ideally leaves with your vehicle. Dummy bell boxes - you're havin a laugh. |
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In article . com,
wrote: Hi All, At my secret headquarters, I have a couple of bell boxes similar to this http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/External-Alarm...QQcmdZViewItem but the horizontal design. They seem available at a very good price - although the postage is a bit high. They were looking a bit tired so I decided to take them down and paint them and make up some new signage for them with my table top publishing system and laminator, and possibly add a flashing led if I can be bothered to wire up an LV supply to them. I have given one of them a few coats of car type (cellulose??) primer and then a top coat, but whtether due to the paint being old stock, or my ineptitude with a spray can, the result isn't brilliant. Sounds like you have a lot of time on your hands, given the price of a new one. I wondered about going out to buy a new can of top coat, but then thought by the time i'd done that and bought another can of primer for the second box, I could probably have bought a more modern looking bell box. I had a look on ebay, but most of them seem to be going for silly money. Here's a guide:- http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Main_Ind...s_1/index.html So, to the questions............ Firstly, is any self respecting theif going to be frightened off by the sight of an old style bell box, or do I need to re -invest in something more sexy? If the latter, does anyone know a good source of these? Not at the price you seem to think they should be. ;-) Cheers -- *If a pig loses its voice, is it disgruntled? * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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wrote in message ups.com... .... Firstly, is any self respecting theif going to be frightened off by the sight of an old style bell box, or do I need to re -invest in something more sexy?... When ADT took over Thorn, thieves started targeting places with Thorn boxes, because they knew they had not renewed their contracts. As a recent survey showed, thieves know a lot more about home security than your local Crime Prevention Officer and they will know how little they have to worry about the average home alarm system, whether the box is real or a dummy. Colin Bignell |
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wrote:
Hi All, At my secret headquarters, I have a couple of bell boxes similar to this If the latter, does anyone know a good source of these? Screwfix have them at £7:49 http://www.screwfix.com/app/sfd/cat/...16905&ts=53440 -- Dave The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk 01634 717930 07850 597257 |
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nightjar nightjar@ wrote:
wrote in message ups.com... ... Firstly, is any self respecting theif going to be frightened off by the sight of an old style bell box, or do I need to re -invest in something more sexy?... When ADT took over Thorn, thieves started targeting places with Thorn boxes, because they knew they had not renewed their contracts. As a recent survey showed, thieves know a lot more about home security than your local Crime Prevention Officer and they will know how little they have to worry about the average home alarm system, whether the box is real or a dummy. Colin Bignell Mmm. Prehaps. When I was renting a cottage, with very dubious security, I used to leave the radio on all day. Someone spent over half an hour ringing the bell thinking I was in, and not wanting to see him (this was in fact true, except for the first bit: I was out). Psychology riules OK? There are two sorts of thieves - pros and opportunists. Nothing stops a determined pro, except possibly human occupancy. As the local rozzers explained to me when they caght (elsewhere) the team that did my house over "Silly buggers did a house and the wife was in. They threatened her and the baby, and that's not breaking and entering, thasts not even burglary, thats assault" (or something), Anyway it meant up to 8 years inside rather than the odd 18 months or something. Now I can't prove it, but some months previously there was a bloke in an old Volvo doing painting and he sat outside my hose for a day making sketches...including when I went to work etc. That's pros. Amateurs just wander past trying door handles and maybe chucking a brick through the window to SEE if the alarm goes off. If it does, they will either scarper or nip inside, grab whats easy to find and bugger off. If it doesn't, they will take their time, and maybe call up a mate round the corner in a nicked car, and load up more. Your call as to whether or not a dummy alarm will put them off or not. It would PROBABLY put the pros off, unless they were convinced you had real value inside. |
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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message ... nightjar nightjar@ wrote: wrote in message ups.com... ... Firstly, is any self respecting theif going to be frightened off by the sight of an old style bell box, or do I need to re -invest in something more sexy?... When ADT took over Thorn, thieves started targeting places with Thorn boxes, because they knew they had not renewed their contracts. As a recent survey showed, thieves know a lot more about home security than your local Crime Prevention Officer and they will know how little they have to worry about the average home alarm system, whether the box is real or a dummy. Colin Bignell Mmm. Prehaps. When I was renting a cottage, with very dubious security, I used to leave the radio on all day. That is widely promoted as being the best single security measure you can take. .... There are two sorts of thieves - pros and opportunists. Nothing stops a determined pro, except possibly human occupancy. .... Only if they are determined to rob you. If they don't care who they rob, good security will ensure they rob your neighbours instead of you. However, to count as good security, the alarm box has to tell the thieves that the alarm is NACOSS installed and may be remotely monitored. Colin Bignell |
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When I was renting a cottage, with very dubious security, I used to leave
the radio on all day. That is widely promoted as being the best single security measure you can take. No, the ex-burglars always say it's dogs. |
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from "nightjar" nightjar@insert my surname here.uk.com contains these words: When I was renting a cottage, with very dubious security, I used to leave the radio on all day. That is widely promoted as being the best single security measure you can take. I leave mine on anyway as company for the cats. Dunno if it works for them but it makes me feel better. Radio 4's probably the best deterrent to a burglar - all that gentle talk and no irritating bangy-bangy music. -- Skipweasel Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain. |
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Radio 4's probably the best deterrent
to a burglar - all that gentle talk and no irritating bangy-bangy music. If I wasin the house-breaking business, I'd do the R4 homes. Burglar's taste has changed, they no longer go after the new domestic electronics stuff that tends to be more in youngsters homes, as it's got so cheap now. They like cash, credit cards, jewelery, spare car keys (because good modern cars are getting difficult to steal otherwise), phones/laptops/cameras/ipods - but not as much as they did, good small antiques, good quality tools - they're likely not to bother with hifis/dvds/desktop pcs/screens unless they're really good and they've got your car. All in all, the R4 home is looking the more lucrative target. |
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nightjar nightjar@ wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message ... nightjar nightjar@ wrote: wrote in message ups.com... ... Firstly, is any self respecting theif going to be frightened off by the sight of an old style bell box, or do I need to re -invest in something more sexy?... When ADT took over Thorn, thieves started targeting places with Thorn boxes, because they knew they had not renewed their contracts. As a recent survey showed, thieves know a lot more about home security than your local Crime Prevention Officer and they will know how little they have to worry about the average home alarm system, whether the box is real or a dummy. Colin Bignell Mmm. Prehaps. When I was renting a cottage, with very dubious security, I used to leave the radio on all day. That is widely promoted as being the best single security measure you can take. ... There are two sorts of thieves - pros and opportunists. Nothing stops a determined pro, except possibly human occupancy. ... Only if they are determined to rob you. If they don't care who they rob, good security will ensure they rob your neighbours instead of you. However, to count as good security, the alarm box has to tell the thieves that the alarm is NACOSS installed and may be remotely monitored. I think my definition of pros, is those who have determined to rob you. Opportunistic theft is different. Colin Bignell |
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In article .com,
wrote: Burglar's taste has changed, they no longer go after the new domestic electronics stuff that tends to be more in youngsters homes, as it's got so cheap now. They like cash, credit cards, jewelery, spare car keys (because good modern cars are getting difficult to steal otherwise), phones/laptops/cameras/ipods - but not as much as they did, good small antiques, good quality tools - they're likely not to bother with hifis/dvds/desktop pcs/screens unless they're really good and they've got your car. The most frequently burgled homes are those on sink estates. If you want to see security, take a walk round one of them. You'll find solid steel doors, with grille gates in front of them. Grills on all the windows, too. -- *Virtual reality is its own reward * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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from " contains these words: They like cash, credit cards, jewelery, spare car keys (because good modern cars are getting difficult to steal otherwise), phones/laptops/cameras/ipods - but not as much as they did, good small antiques, good quality tools - they're likely not to bother with hifis/dvds/desktop pcs/screens unless they're really good and they've got your car. They're out of luck in our house for the first half of that list! And any casha dn ID documents are all locked away in a nice solid safe well bolted to both the floor and the concrete wall behind it, making it a ******* to move. -- Skipweasel Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain. |
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In article , Dave Plowman (News)
wrote: Grills on all the windows, too. For Al Fresco toast perhaps :-) -- AJL Electronics (G6FGO) Ltd : Satellite and TV aerial systems http://www.classicmicrocars.co.uk : http://www.ajlelectronics.co.uk |
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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message ... .... I think my definition of pros, is those who have determined to rob you. I would view a pro as someone who makes a living from theft and that means that, unless they have a particular reason to target your house, they will generally go for the easiest target. Opportunistic theft is different. They are probably funding a drug habit. Colin Bignell |
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wrote in message oups.com... When I was renting a cottage, with very dubious security, I used to leave the radio on all day. That is widely promoted as being the best single security measure you can take. No, the ex-burglars always say it's dogs. That is not always a good choice as a security measure, even if it is the better deterrent. For one thing, the radio doesn't need to be taken walkies. For another, you can leave it alone, guarding the house (with the aid of a timeswitch), when you go away on holiday for a fortnight. Colin Bignell |
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No, the ex-burglars always say it's dogs.
That is not always a good choice as a security measure, even if it is the better deterrent. For one thing, the radio doesn't need to be taken walkies. For another, you can leave it alone, guarding the house (with the aid of a timeswitch), when you go away on holiday for a fortnight. When they make a radio that launches itself through the dog flap like a target seeking missile, throws itself against the fence and does the snarling ball of fur and teeth act whenever a stranger strays close to it's owners territory - then I might consider a radio being an adequate substitute. Seriously though - on very rural properties, the "I might be at home" routine is weak - they will ring and knock on all the doors and peer through all the windows repeatedly - before forcing an entry. |
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wrote in message oups.com... No, the ex-burglars always say it's dogs. That is not always a good choice as a security measure, even if it is the better deterrent. For one thing, the radio doesn't need to be taken walkies. For another, you can leave it alone, guarding the house (with the aid of a timeswitch), when you go away on holiday for a fortnight. When they make a radio that launches itself through the dog flap like a target seeking missile, throws itself against the fence and does the snarling ball of fur and teeth act whenever a stranger strays close to it's owners territory - then I might consider a radio being an adequate substitute. I was not suggesting that a radio was a substitute for a properly trained guard dog. However, many people, myself included, do not like dogs, many more would not want to own one and not all dogs are actually much good as guard dogs. Seriously though - on very rural properties, the "I might be at home" routine is weak - they will ring and knock on all the doors and peer through all the windows repeatedly - before forcing an entry. On a very rural property, I would have a remotely monitored alarm system, with remotely monitored CCTV covering the approaches, as I do for my factory units. They are good value for money and the independent alarm verification given by the CCTV ensures that the Police will respond. Colin Bignell |
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raden wrote:
In message . com, writes Firstly, is any self respecting theif going to be frightened off by the sight of an old style bell box, I wouldn't have thought so, especially if there's no logo from a recognisable security co on it Yup. I think the only way an unknown alarm bellbox is going to do anything is if you set it all up to almost invite them to some part of the outside of the property then scare the crp out of them. Burglars run entirely on the idea theyre in control, show it aint so and they'll leave. Fun too :) BTW one thing often missing in home security: cameras triggered by the alarm. For the more intense at heart theres smoke bombs too, people get totally lost and disoriented in thick red fog. NT |
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On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 21:34:20 UTC, wrote:
Yup. I think the only way an unknown alarm bellbox is going to do anything is if you set it all up to almost invite them to some part of the outside of the property then scare the crp out of them. Burglars run entirely on the idea theyre in control, show it aint so and they'll leave. Fun too :) BTW one thing often missing in home security: cameras triggered by the alarm. For the more intense at heart theres smoke bombs too, people get totally lost and disoriented in thick red fog. A sound bomb, linked to the alarm, inside the house, is very disorienting too. -- The information contained in this post is copyright the poster, and specifically may not be published in, or used by Avenue Supplies, http://avenuesupplies.co.uk |
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On 2006-09-30 23:16:45 +0100, "Bob Eager" said:
On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 21:34:20 UTC, wrote: Yup. I think the only way an unknown alarm bellbox is going to do anything is if you set it all up to almost invite them to some part of the outside of the property then scare the crp out of them. Burglars run entirely on the idea theyre in control, show it aint so and they'll leave. Fun too :) BTW one thing often missing in home security: cameras triggered by the alarm. For the more intense at heart theres smoke bombs too, people get totally lost and disoriented in thick red fog. A sound bomb, linked to the alarm, inside the house, is very disorienting too. What do they do? |
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wrote: For the more intense at heart theres smoke bombs too, people get totally lost and disoriented in thick red fog. Given the majority of alarms are 'false' you're the one likely to be disorientated. ;-) -- *Why doesn't Tarzan have a beard? * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 22:24:38 UTC, Andy Hall wrote:
A sound bomb, linked to the alarm, inside the house, is very disorienting too. What do they do? Make a very loud, uncomfortable noise! Look at the CPC site, part number SR00196, for example. -- The information contained in this post is copyright the poster, and specifically may not be published in, or used by Avenue Supplies, http://avenuesupplies.co.uk |
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In message , Bob Eager
writes On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 21:34:20 UTC, wrote: Yup. I think the only way an unknown alarm bellbox is going to do anything is if you set it all up to almost invite them to some part of the outside of the property then scare the crp out of them. Burglars run entirely on the idea theyre in control, show it aint so and they'll leave. Fun too :) BTW one thing often missing in home security: cameras triggered by the alarm. For the more intense at heart theres smoke bombs too, people get totally lost and disoriented in thick red fog. A sound bomb, linked to the alarm, inside the house, is very disorienting too. One ? You want at least 4 - strategically aimed very good at sending the "you're really not welcome here" message -- geoff |
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On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 18:59:20 +0100, "nightjar".uk.com wrote:
On a very rural property, I would have a remotely monitored alarm system, with remotely monitored CCTV covering the approaches, as I do for my factory units. They are good value for money and the independent alarm verification given by the CCTV ensures that the Police will respond. Out in the sticks the nearest available Police officer, if there is one and note singular, maybe an hours drive away... -- Cheers Dave. pam is missing e-mail |
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On 2006-10-01 02:52:13 +0100, raden said:
In message , Bob Eager writes On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 21:34:20 UTC, wrote: Yup. I think the only way an unknown alarm bellbox is going to do anything is if you set it all up to almost invite them to some part of the outside of the property then scare the crp out of them. Burglars run entirely on the idea theyre in control, show it aint so and they'll leave. Fun too :) BTW one thing often missing in home security: cameras triggered by the alarm. For the more intense at heart theres smoke bombs too, people get totally lost and disoriented in thick red fog. A sound bomb, linked to the alarm, inside the house, is very disorienting too. One ? You want at least 4 - strategically aimed very good at sending the "you're really not welcome here" message But what are they? |
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Andy Hall wrote: A sound bomb, linked to the alarm, inside the house, is very disorienting too. One ? You want at least 4 - strategically aimed very good at sending the "you're really not welcome here" message But what are they? Just a silly name for a sounder (a device which generates its own particular noise from a plain supply). http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Main_Ind...x_2/index.html -- *I'm planning to be spontaneous tomorrow * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Andy Hall writes: But what are they? A sounder which generates noise at a level well above the pain threshold, so it's too painful to hang around. -- Andrew Gabriel |
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On Sun, 1 Oct 2006 09:17:11 UTC, Andy Hall wrote:
On 2006-10-01 10:03:59 +0100, (Andrew Gabriel) said: In article , Andy Hall writes: But what are they? A sounder which generates noise at a level well above the pain threshold, so it's too painful to hang around. As in very loud beeper? Yes...I never sent my reply off last night, but there's a link... 111dB at 1 metre, AFAIR. -- The information contained in this post is copyright the poster, and specifically may not be published in, or used by Avenue Supplies, http://avenuesupplies.co.uk |
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On 2006-10-01 10:31:50 +0100, "Bob Eager" said:
On Sun, 1 Oct 2006 09:17:11 UTC, Andy Hall wrote: On 2006-10-01 10:03:59 +0100, (Andrew Gabriel) said: In article , Andy Hall writes: But what are they? A sounder which generates noise at a level well above the pain threshold, so it's too painful to hang around. As in very loud beeper? Yes...I never sent my reply off last night, but there's a link... 111dB at 1 metre, AFAIR. Mmmm... That would clear the sinuses.... |
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In article ,
Andy Hall writes: On 2006-10-01 10:31:50 +0100, "Bob Eager" said: On Sun, 1 Oct 2006 09:17:11 UTC, Andy Hall wrote: On 2006-10-01 10:03:59 +0100, (Andrew Gabriel) said: In article , Andy Hall writes: But what are they? A sounder which generates noise at a level well above the pain threshold, so it's too painful to hang around. As in very loud beeper? Yes...I never sent my reply off last night, but there's a link... 111dB at 1 metre, AFAIR. Mmmm... That would clear the sinuses.... Difficult to carry much with you with a finger stuffed in each ear... You can get a similar effect with car alarms by fitting them in the passenger compartment. I saw a very funny video once where about 5 joy riders had all squeezed in to a mini-metro. Driver was fiddling around under the dash when such an alarm went off. He bashed his head on the stearing column, and the folks in the back were so despirate to get out they managed to fold the seat forwards and clamber out with the driver still wedged half on the seat and half under the dash, with his head probably less that 6" from the sounder. -- Andrew Gabriel |
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article .com, wrote: For the more intense at heart theres smoke bombs too, people get totally lost and disoriented in thick red fog. Given the majority of alarms are 'false' you're the one likely to be disorientated. ;-) that is certainly a design and operation challenge :) NT |
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"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message ll.com... On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 18:59:20 +0100, "nightjar".uk.com wrote: On a very rural property, I would have a remotely monitored alarm system, with remotely monitored CCTV covering the approaches, as I do for my factory units. They are good value for money and the independent alarm verification given by the CCTV ensures that the Police will respond. Out in the sticks the nearest available Police officer, if there is one and note singular, maybe an hours drive away... But I wouldn't want to live that far from civilisation. My factories are about as rural as it is possible to be in SE England. If I am up and dressed, it takes me about ten minutes to get there from being called, which the logs show as being within 30-45 seconds of the alarm activating. Over the years, the Police have failed to be there before me only twice - once when their car was on the wrong side of a level crossing and once when they had a ram raid about two minutes before my alarm went off and I saw about 8 Police cars and the helicopter on my journey into the factory. Colin Bignell |
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In message , Andy Hall writes
On 2006-10-01 10:03:59 +0100, (Andrew Gabriel) said: In article , Andy Hall writes: But what are they? A sounder which generates noise at a level well above the pain threshold, so it's too painful to hang around. As in very loud beeper? Four piezos fed from an oscillator -- geoff |
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In article ,
Owain writes: wrote: BTW one thing often missing in home security: cameras triggered by the alarm. Running an extra switched live wire to all the luminaires allows all the house lights to be switched on by the alarm. Struggling to imagine quite how you would connect this up, but having all your house lights controlled by an integrated alarm/home-automation system allows you to do much the same. -- Andrew Gabriel |
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On Sun, 1 Oct 2006 15:19:52 +0100, "nightjar".uk.com wrote:
But I wouldn't want to live that far from civilisation. It has it's advantages which, IMHO, far out weigh living in any other area, particulary urban and/or cities. My factories are about as rural as it is possible to be in SE England. Ah so not very rural at all in reality. B-) Rural to me means at least 1/2 a mile between buildings and thats for the densely built up parts. Truely rural is over a couple of miles between buildings. I saw about 8 Police cars and the helicopter on my journey into the factory. Police helicopter, what's one of them? 8 police cars well if the driver training lot are passing through town at the same time as *all* the local Police are in and the Area Supervisor then there might just be 8 cars... It does pee me off a bit that we pay the same for the Police as someone in an urban area but we don't even get 24/7 cover. -- Cheers Dave. pam is missing e-mail |
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