Weatherlawyer wrote:
I have the damned things digging in my garden. Short of shooting them
what can I do?

I have thought of covering the flower beds with netting but don't know
what type to use. Road bed mattress would allow the plants to grow
through. And so would barbed wire.

Any suggestions?

It's not even my garden I am guerrilla-ing it. I have something like a
tenth of a mile to look after so it could get expensive.

Road mattress (or whatever it is called -a fence lattice of something
like 4 inch squares used to reinforce roads) would just lay on or in
the soil and last a few years -long enough to establish thorny bushes.
Barbed wire would have to be supported off the ground.

Removing either for working on them could be a problem.

Hmm...

Posted to UK.sci.weather after a glitch with Google and posting limits,
forced me to sign out then back in with the gmail account. Something
tells me that some programmer at Google isn't up to scratch.

Which is more than I can say for my bloody foxes.

Sorry about that -too.

I don't know much about foxes but I know Google has various limits on
different ways of posting... so it's not a bad programming glitch but a
feature.

I have the damned things digging in my garden. Short of shooting
them
what can I do?

I have thought of covering the flower beds with netting but don't
know
what type to use. Road bed mattress would allow the plants to grow
through. And so would barbed wire.

Any suggestions?

When they were digging up my lawn, eventually in desperation I put an
electric fenc round it. Worked a treat and got them out of the habit.

BTW the local councils advice was that they are 'only' after worms in
the lawn, so 'all' you have to do is get rid of the worms. When I
pointed out that we actually need the worms they were a little
suprised. To think we actually PAY for these people by way of rates!

AWEM

"cucumber" wrote in message
ps.com...
I don't know much about foxes but I know Google has various limits on
different ways of posting... so it's not a bad programming glitch but a
feature.

As a professional software developer so I can categorically say there is no
such thing as bugs or faults in programs, there are simply "undocumented
features" ;-)

Weatherlawyer wrote:
Weatherlawyer wrote:
I have the damned things digging in my garden. Short of shooting them
what can I do?

I have thought of covering the flower beds with netting but don't know
what type to use. Road bed mattress would allow the plants to grow
through. And so would barbed wire.

Any suggestions?

It's not even my garden I am guerrilla-ing it. I have something like a
tenth of a mile to look after so it could get expensive.

Road mattress (or whatever it is called -a fence lattice of something
like 4 inch squares used to reinforce roads) would just lay on or in
the soil and last a few years -long enough to establish thorny bushes.
Barbed wire would have to be supported off the ground.

Removing either for working on them could be a problem.

Hmm...

Posted to UK.sci.weather after a glitch with Google and posting limits,
forced me to sign out then back in with the gmail account. Something
tells me that some programmer at Google isn't up to scratch.

Which is more than I can say for my bloody foxes.

Sorry about that -too.

Used to be able to buy stuff called 'Renardine'. Bloody foul smell. I
dont know what it did to the foxes but it ****ed me off. Probably
banned now like lots of useful chemicals.

Andrew Mawson wrote:

When they were digging up my lawn, eventually in desperation I put an
electric fenc round it. Worked a treat and got them out of the habit.

BTW the local councils advice was that they are 'only' after worms in
the lawn, so 'all' you have to do is get rid of the worms. When I
pointed out that we actually need the worms they were a little
suprised. To think we actually PAY for these people by way of rates!

It's a council flat I live in and the council method of taking care of
the garden was ample supplies of weedkiller around thge edges. This
went on for years and was quite successful except for the docks and
brambles.

I took it over this winter and built up the soil to somethng
approaching useful. I want to get into the soil again over the next few
yearsso the wire must be removable and replacable. I thought three or
four strands in 6 foot hurdles supported above the soil somehow or just
getting that road bed stuff and cutting it into 6 ft by 2 foot pieces
and laying it on the soil.

There are plenty of foxes locally and although I wouldn't dream of
hurting them, seeing the damage they can do to a bed is distressing.
There is nothing I can do about there access.

My problem is they are throwing the soil into the grass and I can't
rake it back without puttting weeds back with it. There is very little
soil to start with and quite frankly I would hurt the bloody things if
I could teach them a lesson like that.

A catapault with corn or something maybe. But they come at night and
they are a lot more sneaky than I.

"Bookworm" wrote in message
ups.com...
Weatherlawyer wrote:
Weatherlawyer wrote:
I have the damned things digging in my garden. Short of shooting
them
what can I do?

I have thought of covering the flower beds with netting but
don't know
what type to use. Road bed mattress would allow the plants to
grow
through. And so would barbed wire.

Any suggestions?

It's not even my garden I am guerrilla-ing it. I have something
like a
tenth of a mile to look after so it could get expensive.

Road mattress (or whatever it is called -a fence lattice of
something
like 4 inch squares used to reinforce roads) would just lay on
or in
the soil and last a few years -long enough to establish thorny
bushes.
Barbed wire would have to be supported off the ground.

Removing either for working on them could be a problem.

Hmm...

Posted to UK.sci.weather after a glitch with Google and posting
limits,
forced me to sign out then back in with the gmail account.
Something
tells me that some programmer at Google isn't up to scratch.

Which is more than I can say for my bloody foxes.

Sorry about that -too.

Used to be able to buy stuff called 'Renardine'. Bloody foul smell.
I
dont know what it did to the foxes but it ****ed me off. Probably
banned now like lots of useful chemicals.


Renardine was banned relatively recently under big brother EU
legislation and it seems that there is nothing equally effective.

AWEM

"David (in Normandy)" wrote in
message ...
"cucumber" wrote in message
ps.com...
I don't know much about foxes but I know Google has various limits on
different ways of posting... so it's not a bad programming glitch but a
feature.

As a professional software developer so I can categorically say there is
no
such thing as bugs or faults in programs, there are simply "undocumented
features" ;-)


LOL!

Renardine was banned relatively recently under big
brother EU
legislation and it seems that there is nothing equally
effective.

If the EU has banned it, you can probably buy it in France.

Anne

"Andrew Mawson" wrote in message


Renardine was banned relatively recently under big brother EU
legislation and it seems that there is nothing equally effective.

It wasn't all that effective, didn't keep fox out of our garden and it
washed away in the rain anyway.

A high fence is the only 200% security.

Mary

On Wed, 6 Sep 2006 10:21:58 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:


"Andrew Mawson" wrote in message


Renardine was banned relatively recently under big brother EU
legislation and it seems that there is nothing equally effective.

It wasn't all that effective, didn't keep fox out of our garden and it
washed away in the rain anyway.

Bad for the garden and the environment anyway.

A high fence is the only 200% security.

Or a low electric (single strand) fence. Works for puddies as well.
--

Dr. John Henry "Doc" Holliday Medical Physics Sheriff
Tel 44 1382 0960111 ext. 347 Univ. of DundeeCake, Tenwells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 63440177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net Dr. John Henry "Doc" http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~Dr. John Henry "Doc" Holliday





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Malcolm Ogilvie of on the suggestion he
copied Konters book.


" You are making yourself look foolish. The book on Grebes by Andre
Konter that was published in 2001 was entitled 'Grebes of OUR World'.
My book, published only this month, is entitled 'Grebes of THE World',
and as such is entirely different. The similarity of the front covers
is quite coincidental. My book IS the first ever devoted to Grebes.

Malcolm Ogilivie."

...............................................

KONTER (Andre) - Grebes of our World. Visiting all Species on Five
Continents - 2001, 8vo. 187pp. Colour photographs, line drawings. A
description of the 22 species of grebes, their natural history, ecology
and behaviour.


Grebes of the World
Malcolm Ogilvie
The book starts with an authoritative introduction on the origin,
evolution, distribution, physiology and behaviour of grebes, followed by
accounts of each of the 22 species


Malcolm it looks as though Konter might dispute that statement!

Rob

"Yes, indeed, what I said was wrong and I apologise to Andre Konter,


Malcolm Ogilvie"

................................................

The error I made was in a chatty piece about the actual writing of the
book which I posted to a non-birdwatching newsgroup

M Ogilvie


You clearly and explicitly stated that yours was the first book on the
subject, in the full knowledge that the topic had recently been
covered very thoroughly in Konter's book.
The facts speak for themselves. You are a liar who only had the grace
to own up when you had been found out - you even persisted in giving
the impression that you were the first to write it *after* I had drawn
attention to your untruth. Your apology comes a little late.
You do yourself no credit in introducing other, wholly irrelevant
matters in order to deflect criticism from your behaviour. Shame on
you.

Paul

on being attacked by trolls in URW, UBA

I have personally wrecked the ozone layer and trashed countless green
lanes. I have lost count of the number of farmers' fences weakened by my
straightlining. I have puked on country pub tables, staggered through guy
ropes, crapped in sensitive upland areas, left orange peel on Skye, fondled
the Paps of Nora, stolen bicycles, and, to my shame, once voted liberal.

It is with regret that I note that Richard, aka Big Dick, has opted for the
withdrawal method rather than continue his intercourse with this ng using
suitable protection.

--

Paul Rooney

Mary Fisher wrote:
"Andrew Mawson" wrote in message
Renardine was banned relatively recently under big brother EU
legislation and it seems that there is nothing equally effective.

It wasn't all that effective, didn't keep fox out of our garden and it
washed away in the rain anyway.

A high fence is the only 200% security.


50%. They dig under it.

Mary

The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Mary Fisher wrote:
"Andrew Mawson" wrote in message
Renardine was banned relatively recently under big brother EU
legislation and it seems that there is nothing equally effective.

It wasn't all that effective, didn't keep fox out of our garden and it
washed away in the rain anyway.

A high fence is the only 200% security.

50%. They dig under it.

I have decided to plant roses. Maybe the half wild stuff I see growing
on heaths. Anyone know of any long stemmed scented stuff that is very
leggy I can spread like bramble?

Considering the improvement I have made I can live with the digging
until the thorns grow and the land lies better adjusted. It's just that
they convert what was neat to a trash bag overnight.

What annoyed me was that I had bulked up the soil which looked pauce
before and now they are spoiling everything by spreading it into the
grass.

BTW.

Anyone notice the sheer numbers and variety of fungi growing following
this wet? I wonder if this is a regular occurrence following a long dry
spell. Other countries must get the same every year where the climate
is continental?

"©¿©" wrote in message
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Mary Fisher wrote:

It wasn't all that effective, didn't keep fox out of our garden
and it
washed away in the rain anyway.

A high fence is the only 200% security.

50%. They dig under it.

Not if it's fitted properly. Which means burying the bottom.

Even burying it isn't a guarantee that they won't dig under it. I've
found that by simply laying the wire out along the foxward side of the
ground for about 2 feet stops them. They try to dig at the base of
the fence but don't have enough smarts to go back 2 ft and dig under
from back there.

On Fri, 08 Sep 2006 00:18:19 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

Mary Fisher wrote:
"Andrew Mawson" wrote in message
Renardine was banned relatively recently under big brother EU
legislation and it seems that there is nothing equally effective.

It wasn't all that effective, didn't keep fox out of our garden and it
washed away in the rain anyway.

A high fence is the only 200% security.


50%. They dig under it.

Not if it's fitted properly. Which means burying the bottom.
--

Dr. John Henry "Doc" Holliday Medical Physics Sheriff
Tel 44 1382 0960111 ext. 347 Univ. of DundeeCake, Tenwells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 63440177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net Dr. John Henry "Doc" http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~Dr. John Henry "Doc" Holliday





%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% %%%





Malcolm Ogilvie of on the suggestion he
copied Konters book.


" You are making yourself look foolish. The book on Grebes by Andre
Konter that was published in 2001 was entitled 'Grebes of OUR World'.
My book, published only this month, is entitled 'Grebes of THE World',
and as such is entirely different. The similarity of the front covers
is quite coincidental. My book IS the first ever devoted to Grebes.

Malcolm Ogilivie."

...............................................

KONTER (Andre) - Grebes of our World. Visiting all Species on Five
Continents - 2001, 8vo. 187pp. Colour photographs, line drawings. A
description of the 22 species of grebes, their natural history, ecology
and behaviour.


Grebes of the World
Malcolm Ogilvie
The book starts with an authoritative introduction on the origin,
evolution, distribution, physiology and behaviour of grebes, followed by
accounts of each of the 22 species


Malcolm it looks as though Konter might dispute that statement!

Rob

"Yes, indeed, what I said was wrong and I apologise to Andre Konter,


Malcolm Ogilvie"

................................................

The error I made was in a chatty piece about the actual writing of the
book which I posted to a non-birdwatching newsgroup

M Ogilvie


You clearly and explicitly stated that yours was the first book on the
subject, in the full knowledge that the topic had recently been
covered very thoroughly in Konter's book.
The facts speak for themselves. You are a liar who only had the grace
to own up when you had been found out - you even persisted in giving
the impression that you were the first to write it *after* I had drawn
attention to your untruth. Your apology comes a little late.
You do yourself no credit in introducing other, wholly irrelevant
matters in order to deflect criticism from your behaviour. Shame on
you.

Paul

on being attacked by trolls in URW, UBA

I have personally wrecked the ozone layer and trashed countless green
lanes. I have lost count of the number of farmers' fences weakened by my
straightlining. I have puked on country pub tables, staggered through guy
ropes, crapped in sensitive upland areas, left orange peel on Skye, fondled
the Paps of Nora, stolen bicycles, and, to my shame, once voted liberal.

It is with regret that I note that Richard, aka Big Dick, has opted for the
withdrawal method rather than continue his intercourse with this ng using
suitable protection.

--

Paul Rooney

in 567057 20060908 062135 "Weatherlawyer" wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Mary Fisher wrote:
"Andrew Mawson" wrote in message
Renardine was banned relatively recently under big brother EU
legislation and it seems that there is nothing equally effective.

It wasn't all that effective, didn't keep fox out of our garden and it
washed away in the rain anyway.

A high fence is the only 200% security.

50%. They dig under it.

I have decided to plant roses. Maybe the half wild stuff I see growing
on heaths. Anyone know of any long stemmed scented stuff that is very
leggy I can spread like bramble?

Considering the improvement I have made I can live with the digging
until the thorns grow and the land lies better adjusted. It's just that
they convert what was neat to a trash bag overnight.

What annoyed me was that I had bulked up the soil which looked pauce
before and now they are spoiling everything by spreading it into the
grass.

Why bother? We've had foxes in our garden for 40 years. They've never caused
any real damage and we get a buzz every time we see them.

"Make space for nature."

Farm1 wrote:
"©¿©" wrote in message
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Mary Fisher wrote:

It wasn't all that effective, didn't keep fox out of our garden
and it
washed away in the rain anyway.

A high fence is the only 200% security.

50%. They dig under it.

Not if it's fitted properly. Which means burying the bottom.

Even burying it isn't a guarantee that they won't dig under it. I've
found that by simply laying the wire out along the foxward side of the
ground for about 2 feet stops them. They try to dig at the base of
the fence but don't have enough smarts to go back 2 ft and dig under
from back there.


Thanks for that tip. I will pass that on

On 8/9/06 09:41, in article , "The
Natural Philosopher" wrote:

Farm1 wrote:
"©¿©" wrote in message
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Mary Fisher wrote:

It wasn't all that effective, didn't keep fox out of our garden
and it
washed away in the rain anyway.

A high fence is the only 200% security.

50%. They dig under it.

Not if it's fitted properly. Which means burying the bottom.

Even burying it isn't a guarantee that they won't dig under it. I've
found that by simply laying the wire out along the foxward side of the
ground for about 2 feet stops them. They try to dig at the base of
the fence but don't have enough smarts to go back 2 ft and dig under
from back there.


Thanks for that tip. I will pass that on

Apparently, the other thing that works is to have vertical palings at random
heights. I say apparently, because I've never tried it. But the chicken
house at Highgrove is protected in this way and the security officers say
they've seen as many as 6 foxes sitting round it at night, unable to figure
out how to jump over the fence. Being 'jagged' confuses them, or that's the
claim. I think I read that it was the Romans who first used this method!
I'm guess only but I would think heights of between 5 and 6' would be needed
but it might be worth a bit of research.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/

The message
from ©¿© contains these words:

A high fence is the only 200% security.


50%. They dig under it.

Not if it's fitted properly. Which means burying the bottom.

But then you can't electrify it.

--
Skipweasel
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.

"Bob Martin" wrote in message
...
in 567057 20060908 062135 "Weatherlawyer"
wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Mary Fisher wrote:
"Andrew Mawson" wrote in
message
Renardine was banned relatively recently under big brother EU
legislation and it seems that there is nothing equally
effective.

It wasn't all that effective, didn't keep fox out of our garden
and it
washed away in the rain anyway.

A high fence is the only 200% security.

50%. They dig under it.

I have decided to plant roses. Maybe the half wild stuff I see
growing
on heaths. Anyone know of any long stemmed scented stuff that is
very
leggy I can spread like bramble?

Considering the improvement I have made I can live with the digging
until the thorns grow and the land lies better adjusted. It's just
that
they convert what was neat to a trash bag overnight.

What annoyed me was that I had bulked up the soil which looked
pauce
before and now they are spoiling everything by spreading it into
the
grass.

Why bother? We've had foxes in our garden for 40 years. They've
never caused
any real damage and we get a buzz every time we see them.

"Make space for nature."


Well they totlally stripped a large part of our lawn, took off half of
my neighbours lawn, and leave a constant pee smell outside my workshop
door. Bring back the man in a red coat !

AWEM

Andrew Mawson wrote:


Well they totlally stripped a large part of our lawn, took off half of
my neighbours lawn, and leave a constant pee smell outside my workshop
door. Bring back the man in a red coat !

AWEM


Indeed.

Once you accept that foes need controlling, you can shoot them and leave
them to die in agony, you can poison them and leave them - and other
wildlife - and cats - to die in agony, you can snare them, and leave
them to die in agony, or you can chase em with a pack of dogs, which
gets the sick and elderly ones mostly, and they either get off scot free
or they are dead in seconds.

Animal suffering? My god. *Not* hunting inflicts more animal suffering.

"Guy King" wrote in message
from ©¿© contains these words:

A high fence is the only 200% security.

50%. They dig under it.

Not if it's fitted properly. Which means burying the bottom.

But then you can't electrify it.

Of course you can. All you need to do is to fit electric fence
outriggers and a wire onto the outriggers just like farmers use.

"Huge" wrote in message
...
On 2006-09-08, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Andrew Mawson wrote:


Well they totlally stripped a large part of our lawn, took off
half of
my neighbours lawn, and leave a constant pee smell outside my
workshop
door. Bring back the man in a red coat !

AWEM


Indeed.

Once you accept that foes need controlling,

My foes need controlling, all right. )

you can shoot them and leave
them to die in agony, you can poison them and leave them - and
other
wildlife - and cats - to die in agony, you can snare them, and
leave
them to die in agony, or you can chase em with a pack of dogs,
which
gets the sick and elderly ones mostly, and they either get off
scot free
or they are dead in seconds.

Animal suffering? My god. *Not* hunting inflicts more animal
suffering.

Tsk, you shouldn't be thinking rationally about this. Wot abat the
fluffy bunnies?

--
"Other people are not your property."
[email me at huge [at] huge [dot] org [dot] uk]


Fluffy bunny pie is pretty good G

AWEM

Huge wrote:
On 2006-09-08, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Andrew Mawson wrote:

Well they totlally stripped a large part of our lawn, took off half of
my neighbours lawn, and leave a constant pee smell outside my workshop
door. Bring back the man in a red coat !

AWEM


Indeed.

Once you accept that foes need controlling,

My foes need controlling, all right. )

you can shoot them and leave
them to die in agony, you can poison them and leave them - and other
wildlife - and cats - to die in agony, you can snare them, and leave
them to die in agony, or you can chase em with a pack of dogs, which
gets the sick and elderly ones mostly, and they either get off scot free
or they are dead in seconds.

Animal suffering? My god. *Not* hunting inflicts more animal suffering.

Tsk, you shouldn't be thinking rationally about this. Wot abat the
fluffy bunnies?

The only useful thing that foxes do is slaughter the ******* things.

However, they aren't hard to knock over in tens at a time with shotguns,
silenced 22s and the like.

Bunnies are the Chavs of the countryside. Nothing except eating
drinking, hanging around the sides of the road and shagging, and living
in large and dirty 'warrens' of subterranean tower blocks. Stealing
anything that isn't fenced up and nailed down.
..

Andrew Mawson wrote:

Fluffy bunny pie is pretty good G


ITTYF that its better if you remove the fluff first, actually.

I find it a somewhat dull meat, and a tad rank. Binny vindaloo is worth
a crack at tho.

AWEM

"Guy King" wrote in message
...
The message
from ©¿© contains these words:

A high fence is the only 200% security.


50%. They dig under it.

Not if it's fitted properly. Which means burying the bottom.

But then you can't electrify it.

Don't need to if it's high enough.

And low enough.

Eco-friendly!

Mary