With all these smartcards, smartchips and so on around, how many idiot
cards, idiot chips and brain dead control systems are there? And how
come they dont want to advertise the fact?

NT

wrote:

With all these smartcards, smartchips and so on around, how many idiot
cards, idiot chips and brain dead control systems are there? And how
come they dont want to advertise the fact?

NT

And in English???????

On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 14:09:34 -0700, meow2222 wrote:

With all these smartcards, smartchips and so on around, how many idiot
cards, idiot chips and brain dead control systems are there? And how
come they dont want to advertise the fact?


When I was looking for a trailer all the ads seemed to advertise 'full
electrics', none had empty electrics.

On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 17:26:13 UTC, John Stumbles
wrote:

On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 14:09:34 -0700, meow2222 wrote:

With all these smartcards, smartchips and so on around, how many idiot
cards, idiot chips and brain dead control systems are there? And how
come they dont want to advertise the fact?


When I was looking for a trailer all the ads seemed to advertise 'full
electrics', none had empty electrics.

Does this mean the wires don't need priming? :-)

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Bob Eager wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 17:26:13 UTC, John Stumbles
wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 14:09:34 -0700, meow2222 wrote:

With all these smartcards, smartchips and so on around, how many idiot
cards, idiot chips and brain dead control systems are there? And how
come they dont want to advertise the fact?

When I was looking for a trailer all the ads seemed to advertise 'full
electrics', none had empty electrics.

Does this mean the wires don't need priming? :-)

thats a neat idea, wires pre-filled with electrons. Technology
advances, but it seems bullology advances at 4x the speed.


NT

wrote:
On 24 Jul,
"Bob Eager" wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 17:26:13 UTC, John Stumbles
wrote:

When I was looking for a trailer all the ads seemed to advertise 'full
electrics', none had empty electrics.

Does this mean the wires don't need priming? :-)

But you need to drain them before unhooking.

I heard theyve got new self draining wires out now. Extra money of
course, but thats progress for you. £1.50 a metre isnt so bad for
single core.


NT

Owain wrote:
wrote:
Bob Eager wrote:
When I was looking for a trailer all the ads seemed to advertise 'full
electrics', none had empty electrics.
Does this mean the wires don't need priming? :-)
thats a neat idea, wires pre-filled with electrons.

They'll probably be farmed electrons (you've heard of wind farms haven't
you, that's where farmed electrons come from).

That may be okay for car electrics but for audio equipment you want
hi-fi free-range electrons. I expect Russ Andrews can offer something :-)

Owain

Yes you need high speed electrons. Also they must be oxygen free -
unless youre listening to Oxyd & neutrino.


NT

"Owain" wrote in message
...
wrote:
Bob Eager wrote:
When I was looking for a trailer all the ads seemed to advertise 'full
electrics', none had empty electrics.
Does this mean the wires don't need priming? :-)
thats a neat idea, wires pre-filled with electrons.

They'll probably be farmed electrons (you've heard of wind farms haven't
you, that's where farmed electrons come from).

That may be okay for car electrics but for audio equipment you want hi-fi
free-range electrons. I expect Russ Andrews can offer something :-)

Owain

I think the sun has got to everyone's brains.

Well, if mine is anything to go by it has ... I have empty cells ...

Mary

In message , Owain
writes

That may be okay for car electrics but for audio equipment you want
hi-fi free-range electrons. I expect Russ Andrews can offer something
:-)
Pah, nonsense. A *true* Hi-Fi buff would only accept fully organic
electrons that have been filtered to eliminate the rogue ones with right
hand spin as that makes the sound poor.

Owain



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Clint Sharp

"Clint Sharp" wrote in message
...
In message , Owain
writes

That may be okay for car electrics but for audio equipment you want hi-fi
free-range electrons. I expect Russ Andrews can offer something :-)
Pah, nonsense. A *true* Hi-Fi buff would only accept fully organic
electrons that have been filtered to eliminate the rogue ones with right
hand spin as that makes the sound poor.

I'm not sure about that. Doesn't gm have an influence for the better? Our
Glorious Leaders seem to think so.

Mary

Clint Sharp wrote:
In message , Owain
writes

That may be okay for car electrics but for audio equipment you want
hi-fi free-range electrons. I expect Russ Andrews can offer something
:-)
Pah, nonsense. A *true* Hi-Fi buff would only accept fully organic
electrons that have been filtered to eliminate the rogue ones with right
hand spin as that makes the sound poor.

Thats an incredibly expensive process though, most of us just have to
make do with dual spin electron wire. My suppliers tell me theyre about
to launch a new cost-affordable filtered electron wire that filters out
99.99& of wrong spinners, and they reckon that 99.99% is so close to
100% that no-one can tell the difference. The plus side is the process
is affordable to home users, its only $60 a yard, which translates to
about £35/metre. Due to be launched in a month or 2.


NT

Clint Sharp wrote:
In message , Owain
writes

That may be okay for car electrics but for audio equipment you want
hi-fi free-range electrons. I expect Russ Andrews can offer something
:-)
Pah, nonsense. A *true* Hi-Fi buff would only accept fully organic
electrons that have been filtered to eliminate the rogue ones with right
hand spin as that makes the sound poor.

Thats an incredibly expensive process though, most of us just have to
make do with dual spin electron wire. My suppliers tell me theyre about
to launch a new cost-affordable filtered electron wire that filters out
99.99& of wrong spinners, and they reckon that 99.99% is so close to
100% that no-one can tell the difference. The plus side is the process
is affordable to home users, its only $60 a yard, which translates to
about £35/metre. Finally we can access true studio quality at home.
Due to be launched in a month or 2.


NT

Mary Fisher wrote:
"Clint Sharp" wrote in message
...
In message , Owain
writes
That may be okay for car electrics but for audio equipment you want hi-fi
free-range electrons. I expect Russ Andrews can offer something :-)
Pah, nonsense. A *true* Hi-Fi buff would only accept fully organic
electrons that have been filtered to eliminate the rogue ones with right
hand spin as that makes the sound poor.

I'm not sure about that. Doesn't gm have an influence for the better? Our
Glorious Leaders seem to think so.


See, that's what happens if you let the rogues with right hand spin in.


--
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http://www.publishing.ucl.ac.uk
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Mary Fisher wrote:

I'm not sure about that. Doesn't gm have an influence for the better? Our
Glorious Leaders seem to think so.

Mary

gm is a most important influence in older equipment. Not sure how
many'll get that one tho.

NT

The message . com
from contains these words:

its only $60 a yard, which translates to about £35/metre.

$60/yard translates to £60/meter - you know how these things are done.
You've only got to look at DVD pricing.

--
Skipweasel
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.

In message .com,
writes
gm is a most important influence in older equipment. Not sure how
many'll get that one tho.
Oooh, valve geek alert....

NT


--
Clint Sharp

Clint Sharp wrote:
In message .com,
writes

gm is a most important influence in older equipment. Not sure how
many'll get that one tho.

Oooh, valve geek alert....

ah, guilty as charged.

NT

wrote in message
oups.com...
Mary Fisher wrote:

I'm not sure about that. Doesn't gm have an influence for the better? Our
Glorious Leaders seem to think so.

Mary

gm is a most important influence in older equipment. Not sure how
many'll get that one tho.

I don't ... :-)

NT

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember saying something
like:

Finally we can access true studio quality at home.
Due to be launched in a month or 2.

Finally we can access true studio quality at home.
Due to be launched in a month or 2.

I see it's working already.
--

Dave

On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 21:22:45 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:

gm is a most important influence in older equipment. Not sure how
many'll get that one tho.

I don't ... :-)

gm - Geek of Milkbottles


(I'm old enough to know, not old enough still to care)

"Andy Dingley" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 21:22:45 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:

gm is a most important influence in older equipment. Not sure how
many'll get that one tho.

I don't ... :-)

gm - Geek of Milkbottles


(I'm old enough to know, not old enough still to care)

I still don't get it ...

Mary

"Guy King" wrote in message
...
The message . com
from contains these words:

its only $60 a yard, which translates to about £35/metre.

$60/yard translates to £60/meter - you know how these things are done.
You've only got to look at DVD pricing.

I've not seen anything priced in round figures for a long time, did he mean
$59.99?

Mary

"Grimly Curmudgeon" wrote in message
...
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember saying something
like:

Finally we can access true studio quality at home.
Due to be launched in a month or 2.

Finally we can access true studio quality at home.
Due to be launched in a month or 2.

I see it's working already.

I thought it was $/£ transmutation.

Mary
--

Dave

Mary Fisher wrote:
"Andy Dingley" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 21:22:45 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:

gm is a most important influence in older equipment. Not sure how
many'll get that one tho.

I don't ... :-)

gm - Geek of Milkbottles


(I'm old enough to know, not old enough still to care)

I still don't get it ...

Mary


'gm' is mutual conductance, and concerns the gain of valves.


NT

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "Mary Fisher"
saying something like:

I see it's working already.

I thought it was $/£ transmutation.

The post appeared twice.
--

Dave

The message t
from "Mary Fisher" contains these words:

I've not seen anything priced in round figures for a long time, did he mean
$59.99?

I don't do charm pricing - and I've taught the kids to mentally round up
prices, too.

--
Skipweasel
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.

"Guy King" wrote in message
...
The message t
from "Mary Fisher" contains these words:

I've not seen anything priced in round figures for a long time, did he
mean
$59.99?

I don't do charm pricing

Is that what it's called? I didn't know it had a name, other than 'con' in
my mind. But we've done that to death hereabouts.

- and I've taught the kids to mentally round up
prices, too.

Good for you - but we shouldn't have to.

Mary

--
Skipweasel
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.

"Grimly Curmudgeon" wrote in message
...
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "Mary Fisher"
saying something like:

I see it's working already.

I thought it was $/£ transmutation.

The post appeared twice.

No - really?

Mary

No - really?

Mary
--

Dave

"Mary Fisher" wrote in message
. net...

"Guy King" wrote in message
...
The message t
from "Mary Fisher" contains these words:

I've not seen anything priced in round figures for a long time, did he
mean
$59.99?

I don't do charm pricing

Is that what it's called? I didn't know it had a name, other than 'con' in
my mind. But we've done that to death hereabouts.

I knew a retailer who did it partly to stop his shop assistants cocking up
when entering numbers on the cash register, otherwise they'd enter 6 rather
than 599 and things would get rather cheaper all of a sudden.

cheers,
clive

On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 20:43:04 UTC, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:

I've not seen anything priced in round figures for a long time, did he
mean
$59.99?

I don't do charm pricing

Is that what it's called? I didn't know it had a name, other than 'con' in
my mind. But we've done that to death hereabouts.

Historically, one reason was that a non-round price meant that change
nearly always had to be given. So the till was more likely to be opened,
and this reduced the number of items that might not otherwise have gone
through the till.

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The message t
from "Mary Fisher" contains these words:

I don't do charm pricing

Is that what it's called? I didn't know it had a name, other than 'con' in
my mind. But we've done that to death hereabouts.

It's not new. Dad said it happend in the twenties - 19s11d3f was a
common price.

--
Skipweasel
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.

"Bob Eager" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 20:43:04 UTC, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:

I've not seen anything priced in round figures for a long time, did he
mean
$59.99?

I don't do charm pricing

Is that what it's called? I didn't know it had a name, other than 'con'
in
my mind. But we've done that to death hereabouts.

Historically, one reason was that a non-round price meant that change
nearly always had to be given. So the till was more likely to be opened,
and this reduced the number of items that might not otherwise have gone
through the till.

I think that's an urban myth. Any cashier with an eye that sort of deception
would have a pocket full of pennies and give one as change without opening
the till.

Also, why always .99? Why not .78, .42 or whatever?

In a recent book review programme some woman said that the price of a book
was £X.40 - "A strange price" she commented. It's not a strange price, it
could be a tru reflection of the cost of the book including profit for the
various people involved.

When EVERYTHING is .99 (or even £999.99) it can't possibly be the price
including VAT unless it's rigged to be that. I just don't believe it.

Mary

Mary

"Guy King" wrote in message
...
The message t
from "Mary Fisher" contains these words:

I don't do charm pricing

Is that what it's called? I didn't know it had a name, other than 'con'
in
my mind. But we've done that to death hereabouts.

It's not new. Dad said it happend in the twenties - 19s11d3f was a
common price.

It's not new but it seems to be every price you see these days. When you had
a choice it was different.

And I think you meant 19s11 3/4d :-) I remember using farthings.

Mary

On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 09:12:49 UTC, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:

Historically, one reason was that a non-round price meant that change
nearly always had to be given. So the till was more likely to be opened,
and this reduced the number of items that might not otherwise have gone
through the till.

I think that's an urban myth. Any cashier with an eye that sort of deception
would have a pocket full of pennies and give one as change without opening
the till.

Except that the customer would still be there. With a round figure, the
customer can just leave.

When EVERYTHING is .99 (or even £999.99) it can't possibly be the price
including VAT unless it's rigged to be that. I just don't believe it.

Of course it's the price. The price isn't manufacturing/distribution
cost plus a standard profit; it's what the market will bear.
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On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 10:12:49 +0100 Mary Fisher wrote :
Also, why always .99? Why not .78, .42 or whatever?

Comet (IIRC) have/had prices ending in .99, .95 and .94 as signals
to the assistants. One means this is a high profit or about to be
discontinued item so push this where possible. One signals the
opposite - lower profit, stock in short supply etc. The other is
everything not in the first two groups.

The problem is that I never remember which is which g

--
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"Bob Eager" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 09:12:49 UTC, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:

Historically, one reason was that a non-round price meant that change
nearly always had to be given. So the till was more likely to be
opened,
and this reduced the number of items that might not otherwise have gone
through the till.

I think that's an urban myth. Any cashier with an eye that sort of
deception
would have a pocket full of pennies and give one as change without
opening
the till.

Except that the customer would still be there. With a round figure, the
customer can just leave.

Why?

When EVERYTHING is .99 (or even £999.99) it can't possibly be the price
including VAT unless it's rigged to be that. I just don't believe it.

Of course it's the price. The price isn't manufacturing/distribution
cost plus a standard profit; it's what the market will bear.

It's not a fair price.

We manage to sell many different low and high priced items, not one of them
ends in 9. But we want to give customers a fair price as well as having a
fair return for our labour.

As it happens, I rarely buy anything ending in 9. It won't make any
difference to the economy but it satisfies me - and it means that I'm not in
the shop at all most of the time so I'm not tempted to buy more.

Yesterday I went for some new specs. The price of the frames was something
99. I said I'd pay something 50. There was no argument, it was accepted.
Back to haggling and barter!

Mary

On 2006-07-28 11:55:52 +0100, "Mary Fisher" said:



Yesterday I went for some new specs. The price of the frames was
something 99. I said I'd pay something 50. There was no argument, it
was accepted. Back to haggling and barter!

Mary

Absolutely. Never pay the first asking price, even if you only save
49p. There is definitely a principle there.

"Andy Hall" wrote in message
...
On 2006-07-28 11:55:52 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
said:



Yesterday I went for some new specs. The price of the frames was
something 99. I said I'd pay something 50. There was no argument, it was
accepted. Back to haggling and barter!

Mary

Absolutely. Never pay the first asking price, even if you only save 49p.
There is definitely a principle there.

So you'd be happy for your employer or customers to keep that principle?

I doubt it.

On 2006-07-28 14:41:45 +0100, "Mary Fisher" said:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message ...
On 2006-07-28 11:55:52 +0100, "Mary Fisher" said:



Yesterday I went for some new specs. The price of the frames was
something 99. I said I'd pay something 50. There was no argument, it
was accepted. Back to haggling and barter!

Mary

Absolutely. Never pay the first asking price, even if you only save
49p. There is definitely a principle there.

So you'd be happy for your employer or customers to keep that principle?

I doubt it.

Then you'd be wrong.

I'm my employer. My customers usually get a small price reduction.
Another point in providing good service to a customer is that it is
then easier to justify the requested price.

The price should drop when a) it is untenable in the first place, b)
the service offering is not going to be as initially as claimed or c)
for cultural reasons - for example people in some countries do expect
to receive a large discount.

"Andy Hall" wrote in message
...


... My customers usually get a small price reduction.

That's daft. why not give them the lower price to start with?