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"Slurp" wrote in message ... "The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message ... Where are you going to do 130mph for 20 miles? If I was in a hurry that would just about get me to the nearest Tesco's - but then I would have to catch a bus back. What would be the range of a Ferrari when it does 130mph continuously? At 130mph it will be in single figures, so not long at all. |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" through a haze of senile flatulence wrote in message ... In article ews.net, Doctor Drivel wrote: He is confused you know - the weather and all that takes its toll on them. Currently electric motors assist an IC engine in hybrids. In an EV, a Stirling would only be charging and doing ancillary electrical work. Sad, He is sad in this weather. They take him down to Southend and let him play on the dodgems and cool off in the water. |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" through a haze of senile flatulence wrote in message ... In article ews.net, Doctor Drivel wrote: He is confused you know - the weather and all that takes its toll on them. Currently electric motors assist an IC engine in hybrids. In an EV, a Stirling would only be charging and doing ancillary electrical work. You think you've invented perpetual motion. Well we know you are into perpetual senility that is clear. Sad isn't it. They should take him to a caravan site near Margate. That will do him the world of good. He will think the caravan is moving while he is in it, brum, brum, brum. |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" through a haze of senile flatulence wrote in message ... In article , mrcheerful . wrote: This would be why Toyota have dropped the Stirling cycle engine on all their new designs after it proved so uneconomical in the Prius? 60 mpg is uneconomic? Try 35 Sad isn't it. The topic is the new EV and he on about something else, whatever it is. I hope they make a breakthrough with drugs to cure all this. |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" through a haze of senile flatulence wrote in message ... In article ews.net, Doctor Drivel wrote: This car is in the Porche category and outperforms it in every way; it is the "same" price in the USA. It's not on sale. We really do need a breakthrough in drugs for senility. We really do. |
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Tim S wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote: Everyone and his dog announce an electric car every few years as 'the technology is now here' Except that it's not, and is a long way off at an economic price to replace the IC engine. And of course domestic electricity isn't taxed unlike road fuels. So if it became the norm for road use the price advantage would soon disappear. I don't know. They'd have to apply duty to all electricity then - it's not like you can stick a chemical marker on the electrons. I suspect duty on all electricity would be a real vote killer. The saiod that bout heting oil and diesel.. You KNOW what it will be. the cars will come with a special plug that ONLY fits a separately metered socket...which has a telltale that sends details on what car is plugged into it back to Big Brother Central...and the car will come equipped with a WiFi point that constantly talks to Big Brother recording its electricity consumption, and if it doesn't match the charger or you have excceded any speed limit at all, 16 policemen with dum dum equipped handguns will descend on you at 3am and there will be an 'understandable mistake' I was wondering about the 70A charging mentioned earlier too. 63A would be more convenient as there are plugs and sockets already available at this rating. In theory the RECs should love this, if the car could be charged on a timer overnight when other demands are low. 50KWh at 250v is only 200A/h..most people with off road parking would probably trickle charge overnight every night..15 hours at 13A is enough to fully charge. I've always suspected that an electric car could kick the nads off IC engined types. Motor and control technology is already pretty polished - problem has always been with storing enough electricity. Back in the 80's someone developed a sodium battery that was supposed to be the answer. Then there were batteries based on aluminium. This one does sound a bit more hopeful as it is using mainstream technology - the residual problem 1 now being cost - but we've seen many cases where that's sorted itself out (early mobile phones were not cheap for example). Exactly. Lithium - if you look at the energy density (energy per unit weight) - is about the best metal to use apart from sodium. Current lithoum batteries arer about twice the wight of the theoretical best performance, so there is a bit top come there. Already charge cycle efficiences of a lot better than 90% are achievable at the battery (current CHARGERS are not optimised for effciency) anfd dischrage rates of the order of 5-10 times ampere hour capacity are already achiveable..i.e. a 50KW hour pack can deliver bursts of 250-500KW - well in excess of 700 bhp. Electric motors and controllers can easily achieve 90% efficiency as well, and if regenerative braking is used, that further improves the 'stop start' efficiency. The batteries will do around 3-5 years and 300-500 cycles CURRENTLY and there is room for improvement Charge retention is good..no going flat in a few weeks - more like a year.. Assuming ready supplies of cheap non fossil electricity, this means the whole thing is technically FEASIBLE..only battery cost, plus generating capacity is holding it all back. I believe an Electric SMART car is being shown at the motor shows later in the year. This will be interesting. Problem 2 is infrastructure - for this to really take off, you need to have top up points available, probably at roadside cafes or car parks. Not insoluble. Yes. A LOT easier than building a hydrogen infrastructure. Star with TESCOS car parks, probably. A 50-70A charge point with a credit card interface should be relatively simple.. Cheers Tim |
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"Doctor Drivel" wrote in message reenews.net... "Derek ^" wrote in message ... On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 23:29:46 +0100, "Doctor Drivel" wrote: "The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message ... I wouldn't bet the former, but would bet the latter. In bulk I could probably get lithium cells at 50c a watt-hour..that's around $15,000 for a 30KWh pack... http://www.wired.com/news/wiredmag/0,71414-0.html?tw=wn_story_page_prev2 This car competes with the Porche types, outperforms them, is simpler and super quiet.......and is the same price. It's not the same price because there aren't any to buy. You can't buy one at any price. The price has been set, deposits are being taken and the first delivered will be around September. Anybody can set a price, take deposits/specify a delivery date for a fantasy widget. Clive Sinclair springs to mind... |
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Tim S wrote: Dave Plowman (News) wrote: Everyone and his dog announce an electric car every few years as 'the technology is now here' Except that it's not, and is a long way off at an economic price to replace the IC engine. And of course domestic electricity isn't taxed unlike road fuels. So if it became the norm for road use the price advantage would soon disappear. I don't know. They'd have to apply duty to all electricity then - it's not like you can stick a chemical marker on the electrons. I suspect duty on all electricity would be a real vote killer. Other ways of getting the tax revenue - which believe me they can't afford to lose. Road pricing is the obvious one and remove direct taxation on petrol and diesel. At the moment there are so few electric cars it's just good publicity for the government to allow them to be cheaper to run per mile. But if they became popular - let alone the norm - things will soon change. I was wondering about the 70A charging mentioned earlier too. 63A would be more convenient as there are plugs and sockets already available at this rating. In theory the RECs should love this, if the car could be charged on a timer overnight when other demands are low. I doubt the existing grid structure could cope with charging every single vehicle in the country overnight. I've always suspected that an electric car could kick the nads off IC engined types. It depends entirely on how much power you give it - same as an IC engined one. Or perhaps the land speed record for a wheel driven vehicle is already held by an electric car? ;-) Motor and control technology is already pretty polished - problem has always been with storing enough electricity. Back in the 80's someone developed a sodium battery that was supposed to be the answer. Then there were batteries based on aluminium. This one does sound a bit more hopeful as it is using mainstream technology - the residual problem 1 now being cost - but we've seen many cases where that's sorted itself out (early mobile phones were not cheap for example). It's as I said - there's always a new battery technology just round the corner which will 'solve the problem'. But it ain't arrived yet for general use. It will when you can store approx the same amount of energy (adjusted for the higher efficiency of an electric motor) as the average petrol tank in a reasonable volume, weight and cost. The trouble is electric car makers and their advocates always quote the best possible range and best possible performance without making it clear the two can't happen at the same time. To fool the gullible like dribble, who already thinks it's possible to exceed 100% efficiency. Now we all know that driving an IC car hard results in heavier fuel consumption and of course the same applies to an electric one. Problem 2 is infrastructure - for this to really take off, you need to have top up points available, probably at roadside cafes or car parks. Not insoluble. If you had an electric vehicle with the same sort of range under real world driving as an IC one, which can be charged at home, you'd probably not need many 'filling stations'. They would have to charge for supplying the facility, so would only be used on long journeys where they'd be essential. Cheers Tim -- *Dance like nobody's watching. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Oh, and if you think oil was scarce, try the Lithium used in the batteries. Replace all ICs with lithium powered electric and I think you'll hit a minor snag. My mistake - I was thinking about tantalum shortages in industry, partly because of ore shortages, back in the early 2000's. It does sound like lithium is more sustainable. |
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"Tim S" wrote in message ... I was wondering about the 70A charging mentioned earlier too. 63A would be more convenient as there are plugs and sockets already available at this rating. In theory the RECs should love this, if the car could be charged on a timer overnight when other demands are low. They have a patented power charger unit for a domestic home. I've always suspected that an electric car could kick the nads off IC engined types. Motor and control technology is already pretty polished - problem has always been with storing enough electricity. The unique aspect of this car is the power (or is it energy) management of the batteries and electrical equipment in the car. Problem 2 is infrastructure - for this to really take off, you need to have top up points available, probably at roadside cafes or car parks. Not insoluble. France already has much of this in place. in the likes of La Rochelle. |
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"Slurp" wrote in message ... "Doctor Drivel" wrote in message reenews.net... "Derek ^" wrote in message ... On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 23:29:46 +0100, "Doctor Drivel" wrote: "The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message ... I wouldn't bet the former, but would bet the latter. In bulk I could probably get lithium cells at 50c a watt-hour..that's around $15,000 for a 30KWh pack... http://www.wired.com/news/wiredmag/0,71414-0.html?tw=wn_story_page_prev2 This car competes with the Porche types, outperforms them, is simpler and super quiet.......and is the same price. It's not the same price because there aren't any to buy. You can't buy one at any price. The price has been set, deposits are being taken and the first delivered will be around September. Anybody can set a price, take deposits/specify a delivery date for a fantasy widget. We shall see. It maybe a con, but read up on the outfit (do a Google on Tesla Motors), with Lotus on board tooled up to manufacture, as are the component suppliers, the backing they have, etc, and something tells me this is no con trick. |
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Doctor Drivel wrote: We haven't. This car is in the Porche category and outperforms it in every way; it is the "same" price in the USA. That 'they' are going for premium performance and price says a lot about just how viable the project is. The profit margin in this sector is enormous. It isn't for family cars. Porsche sports cars (that's how it's spelt, BTW) sell mainly on driving pleasure - they're in no way a practical everyday vehicle. And the majority of those who buy them are very unlikely to be tempted by an electric vehicle to replace them. -- *Vegetarians taste great* Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Mike Dodd wrote: $80,000 price?, say £55,000 on an optimistic $:£ technology ratio. But it never happens. Every US car sold here costs about the same in gbp numbers as dollars. Which is why they are so rare and poor value. -- *Learn from your parents' mistakes - use birth control Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Doctor Drivel wrote: http://www.teslamotors.com/ Made by Lotus and will do low flying. A saloon available in around 18 months time. Well by, by, internal combustion engine. http://www.wired.com/news/wiredmag/0...ory_page_prev2 (assuming you meant "Bye Bye", as in the end of the IC... Still very limited - such that for most people it could not replace a conventional IC car 100%. $80,000 price?, say £55,000 on an optimistic $:£ technology ratio. 250 miles for a 2 seater driven frugally, then a specialised 3.5 hr recharging time. Hmmm, there goes the weekend trips. Still, no boot space to support a weekend trip. The saloon is expected to have a significantly reduced range, due at least in part to the increased weight. Less range (still with a 3.5 hr recharge time) - less practical. Oh, and if you think oil was scarce, try the Lithium used in the batteries. Replace all ICs with lithium powered electric and I think you'll hit a minor snag. I think you will find that a large part of the earth's crust is made of lithium actually. One of the most common elements. http://minerals.usgs.gov/minerals/pu...lithimcs06.pdf For a US centric view on world lithium reserves..that totally ignores Asia. Maybe a nice toy for whacking around country lanes, and for the local commute. Beyond that and it is simply not practicable. Not today, no. But consider...IF the cars were not sold, but leased, and the overall operational cost and fuel cost was less than - say - a small commuter car, and you need a second car to commute with.. Please note that I'll welcome the day that electric replaced IC - but that day isn't here yet, nor will it be in 18 months with the release of the saloon. With the recharging limitations of this technology you need to be looking at something like a three-fold range improvement before you can start scrapping the IC. Close, but no cigar. I agree its not - like the Internet - going to be an overnight thing. I can' remember when the first Internet pipe from the UK to Holland opened up..mid 90's. we all yelled 'this could be he real thing; but everybody else was saying 'rubbish. X-25 is the future' Then we had the hype boom in 1998-2000, then a realization that it would take tome, but now, maybe 10 years or so after the first decent IP infrastructure was laid in the UK, we take it completely for granted. I get for £20 a month today what would have cost £20,000 a year or more then. Whatever happened to hydrogen fuel cells? Same as X-25 really. The wrong track that the big boys will take for all the wrong reasons. That will quietly get sidelined because in the end the cost benefit will not stack up to electric battery except in a few cases. Look at Microsoft exchange. Its an X400 mail server with IP stuck on the back end. How many users use X400 these days? |
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Doctor Drivel wrote: What would be the range of a Ferrari when it does 130mph continuously? At 130mph it will be in single figures, so not long at all. Another figure plucked from thin air. Since you're so good at quoting other's figures please give a source for this one. -- *Rehab is for quitters. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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"Mike Dodd" wrote in message ... Doctor Drivel wrote: http://www.teslamotors.com/ Made by Lotus and will do low flying. A saloon available in around 18 months time. Well by, by, internal combustion engine. http://www.wired.com/news/wiredmag/0...ory_page_prev2 (assuming you meant "Bye Bye", as in the end of the IC... Yep. I can't wait to see the back of them. Still very limited - such that for most people it could not replace a conventional IC car 100%. A Fiesta type of car would not require a two speed gearbox as this sporty one has, be very simple, so simple to make and run (no servicing) that manufacturing costs will drop. The range would be there. The only initial drawback is the charging points, which would be overcome. $80,000 price?, say £55,000 on an optimistic $:£ technology ratio. It is the same price as a Porche, its direct competitor. Sounds good to me. 250 miles for a 2 seater driven frugally, Frugally? Where did you get that? The aim was car that performs the same, or better than existing cars and with range. then a specialised 3.5 hr recharging time. Hmmm, there goes the weekend trips. Still, no boot space to support a weekend trip. It is sports job, not a family tourer. The saloon is expected to have a significantly reduced range, due at least in part to the increased weight. Less range (still with a 3.5 hr recharge time) - less practical. Reduced range? You made that up. It would not require the gearbox and they say by the time they introduce one (probably made in Malaysia by Proton as they own Lotus) battery technology will be better. They know what is being tested but not yet in the shops yet. Oh, and if you think oil was scarce, try the Lithium used in the batteries. Replace all ICs with lithium powered electric and I think you'll hit a minor snag. What I have read that is not a problem. Also, newer battery technologies are emerging without Lithium. Maybe a nice toy for whacking around country lanes, and for the local commute. That is its market. Sports cars are toys. Beyond that and it is simply not practicable. It is actually. Drive to the in-laws 200 miles away and while they feed you another 250 miles is being fed into the thing from their socket, Please note that I'll welcome the day that electric replaced IC - but that day isn't here yet, nor will it be in 18 months with the release of the saloon. With the recharging limitations of this technology you need to be looking at something like a three-fold range improvement before you can start scrapping the IC. You are a very negative person. Do you think the world is going to end soon too? The recharging would be introduced in supermarkets, in the Canada they plug their cars in to posts in each caring spot to keep the engine warm. Recharging is not a big issue to implement as EVs would not flood the market overnight. When it is clear they are here the authorities will eagerly make provision for them, especially in cities. On main roads services would have charging points. No one would wait 3 hours for a charge as few would allow the charge to drop so low - as people don't allow fuel tanks to drop to near zero they will not do that with the batteries and most don't fill fuel tanks up either, put in £15 or £20 worth of petrol. If the battery charge is 33% and you have a 1 hour charge as you have lunch that still gets you a long way. Then the Toshiba batteries are to be introduced that can take 80% of the charge in 3 minutes and full in 5. The future is looking rosy, so no need for you to expect the world to end. |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" through a haze of senile flatulence wrote in message ... It's as I said - there's always a new battery technology just round the corner which will 'solve the problem'. But it ain't arrived yet for general use. A car does 250 miles and he thinks it is not enough, maybe he wants to go to Mars. Sad isn't it. I hope they take him to the coast today so he can walk the prom in his loafers. |
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On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 10:23:28 +0100, Doctor Drivel wrote:
It is actually. Drive to the in-laws 200 miles away and while they feed you another 250 miles is being fed into the thing from their socket, On the planet I live on not many people's in-laws have a 70 Amp socket outlet. |
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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message ... Already charge cycle efficiences of a lot better than 90% are achievable at the battery (current CHARGERS are not optimised for effciency) The new Tesla charger is highly efficient, and is the power management, what makes this car feasible. Problem 2 is infrastructure - for this to really take off, you need to have top up points available, probably at roadside cafes or car parks. Not insoluble. Yes. A LOT easier than building a hydrogen infrastructure. Star with TESCOS car parks, probably. A 50-70A charge point with a credit card interface should be relatively simple.. Cheers Tim |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" through a haze of senile flatulence wrote in message ... In article ews.net, Doctor Drivel wrote: We haven't. This car is in the Porche category and outperforms it in every way; it is the "same" price in the USA. That 'they' They should drag him of the computer and get down the coast today. He will look the part walking the prom in his loafers. |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" through a haze of senile flatulence wrote in message ... In article ews.net, Doctor Drivel wrote: What would be the range of a Ferrari when it does 130mph continuously? At 130mph it will be in single figures, so not long at all. Another I hope they have drugs to cure his intestinal problems. |
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Doctor Drivel wrote: This car is in the Porche category and outperforms it in every way; it is the "same" price in the USA. It's not on sale. We really do need a breakthrough in drugs for senility. We really do. We certainly need a drug that could cure the gullible who believe every word they read in adverts. It wouldn't sell well, though, given you appear to be one of the few who does. How is your magnetic water 'conditioner', by the way? Still defying the laws of physics? Like your 110% efficient boiler? Seek treatment now. Although I'd guess it's too late. -- *Arkansas State Motto: Don't Ask, Don't Tell, Don't Laugh. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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"John Stumbles" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 10:23:28 +0100, Doctor Drivel wrote: It is actually. Drive to the in-laws 200 miles away and while they feed you another 250 miles is being fed into the thing from their socket, On the planet I live on not many people's in-laws have a 70 Amp socket outlet. They will do if this takes off, which it looks like doing. |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" through a haze of senile flatulence wrote in message ... In article , Mike Dodd wrote: $80,000 price?, say £55,000 on an optimistic $:£ technology ratio. But it never happens. Every US car sold here costs about the same in gbp numbers as dollars. Which is why they are so rare and poor value. The car will be made in England. Sad isn't it. They will have to get him walking in those loafers. |
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"Doctor Drivel" wrote in message reenews.net... http://www.teslamotors.com/ Made by Lotus and will do low flying. A saloon available in around 18 months time. Well by, by, internal combustion engine. http://www.wired.com/news/wiredmag/0...ory_page_prev2 I've already seen a "fully electric car" for some time now, and possibly two (different makes) of them. I have no further details. I think that it's a big step in the right direction. Sylvain. |
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The Natural Philosopher wrote: Maybe a nice toy for whacking around country lanes, and for the local commute. Beyond that and it is simply not practicable. Not today, no. But consider...IF the cars were not sold, but leased, and the overall operational cost and fuel cost was less than - say - a small commuter car, and you need a second car to commute with.. But that's not what's on offer. It's a car to compete with the likes of Porsche in both price and performance. As if... It's one of the oldest tricks in the book. We are offering X now at a high price, but Y will be along shortly which will wipe out the lower priced competition. Which suggests this tiny firm has a breakthrough the major makers haven't found after spending billions on research. Basically, the sort of BS we've all read before many many times. Toyota are at the forefront of electric cars - albeit hybrid ones. My money is on them producing the first all electric practical family car. That they haven't yet means the technology isn't ready. -- *Confession is good for the soul, but bad for your career. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message ... Mike Dodd wrote: Please note that I'll welcome the day that electric replaced IC - but that day isn't here yet, nor will it be in 18 months with the release of the saloon. With the recharging limitations of this technology you need to be looking at something like a three-fold range improvement before you can start scrapping the IC. Close, but no cigar. I agree its not - like the Internet - going to be an overnight thing. The Internet was relatively overnight. The DNS server is actually in Fort Knox, that is how important the Internet is to modern living. Within 5 years it was well established an indispensable. I can' remember when the first Internet pipe from the UK to Holland opened up..mid 90's. we all yelled 'this could be he real thing; but everybody else was saying 'rubbish. X-25 is the future' We never. Once the WWW came and the first browsers were in action it was obvious which way it was going. People wanted a better protocol for the Internet to run on. Then we had the hype boom in 1998-2000, then a realization that it would take tome, but now, maybe 10 years or so after the first decent IP infrastructure was laid in the UK, we take it completely for granted. I get for £20 a month today what would have cost £20,000 a year or more then. Whatever happened to hydrogen fuel cells? Same as X-25 really. The wrong track that the big boys will take for all the wrong reasons. That will quietly get sidelined because in the end the cost benefit will not stack up to electric battery except in a few cases. Look at Microsoft exchange. Its an X400 mail server with IP stuck on the back end. How many users use X400 these days? Exchange is crap, always was. |
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On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 10:01:41 +0100, Doctor Drivel wrote:
We shall see. It maybe a con, but read up on the outfit (do a Google on Tesla Motors), with Lotus on board tooled up to manufacture, as are the component suppliers, the backing they have, etc, and something tells me this is no con trick. I bet Lotus and the other suppliers wanted cash up front :-) |
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"John Stumbles" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 10:01:41 +0100, Doctor Drivel wrote: We shall see. It maybe a con, but read up on the outfit (do a Google on Tesla Motors), with Lotus on board tooled up to manufacture, as are the component suppliers, the backing they have, etc, and something tells me this is no con trick. I bet Lotus and the other suppliers wanted cash up front :-) If they did ask and get it then I would say it is a goer. |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" through a haze of senile flatulence wrote in message ... In article ews.net, Doctor Drivel wrote: This car is in the Porche category and outperforms it in every way; it is the "same" price in the USA. It's not on sale. We really do need a breakthrough in drugs for senility. We really do. We I wonder if they make him dress himself. |
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On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 01:01:14 +0100, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote: It's not the same price because there aren't any to buy. You can't buy one at any price. The price has been set, deposits are being taken and the first delivered will be around September. That's only 5 weeks away. I would have thought there would have been some evidence of some pre-launch stock about by now. Fields full of finished cars. We'll see. DG |
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"Doctor Drivel" wrote in message reenews.net... Then the Toshiba batteries are to be introduced that can take 80% of the charge in 3 minutes and full in 5. mmmmm lets think about that - 50kWh battery charged in 5 mins - sounds good. --- where do I plug it in - that's 2608A at 230V - may be I can tap into the 440kV overhead lines? |
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Doctor Drivel wrote: (assuming you meant "Bye Bye", as in the end of the IC... Yep. I can't wait to see the back of them. But seem to advocate a Stirling engine a few posts ago? Perhaps you think that's not an IC engine... Still very limited - such that for most people it could not replace a conventional IC car 100%. A Fiesta type of car would not require a two speed gearbox as this sporty one has, be very simple, so simple to make and run (no servicing) It will need no servicing? Try learning a little about how a car works. There's more to servicing than just attending to an IC engine. that manufacturing costs will drop. The range would be there. Will, would. More crystal ball gazing on your part. The only initial drawback is the charging points, which would be overcome. Not if you can charge it at home, fool. If it had a reasonable range very few charging points would be needed. $80,000 price?, say £55,000 on an optimistic $:£ technology ratio. It is the same price as a Porche, its direct competitor. Sounds good to me. Now let me see. The last car you claimed to own was a Prius. Not exactly in the same class as a Porsche, or indeed designed for the same sort of use? So suddenly you're changing from a poor performing family car to a two seater fast sports car? Despite continually saying speed and acceleration don't interest you? Is this a mid life crisis? [snip the rest of the advert] The future is looking rosy, so no need for you to expect the world to end. You should sell crystal balls. Magnetic ones, obviously. -- He who laughs last, thinks slowest* Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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"Derek ^" wrote in message ... On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 01:01:14 +0100, "Doctor Drivel" wrote: It's not the same price because there aren't any to buy. You can't buy one at any price. The price has been set, deposits are being taken and the first delivered will be around September. That's only 5 weeks away. I would have thought there would have been some evidence of some pre-launch stock about by now. Fields full of finished cars. We'll see. DG We all eagerly await. |
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"tony sayer" wrote in message ... This appears the first mass produced "modern" electric car. They were mass produced pre WW1. Battery technology is improving by the month without a doubt. A small Fiesta sized car designed for optimal usage and efficiency would be a great success. A car like this would never come from the traditional car industry. It had to be outsiders who look at it from a different angle and don't have their heads full yesterdays technology and ways. They want the status quo and keep selling us antiquated polluting crap. Yes I suppose the electric car does it crapping elsewhere.. at the power station?.... Indeed. There are some advantages to that, in that it is easier to treat a lot of pollution in one place, than it is to treat small amounts of pollution in lots of places. However, the inefficiencies in the systems mean that, a couple of years ago, it was demonstrated that an electric car produced three times as much pollution as a modern internal combustion engine powered car. Better battery efficiency would go some way towards improving that, but would do nothing to help with generating and transmission losses. A major change to nuclear power would produce a significant reduction in carbon emissions, although a number of climatologists are now saying that is far less important than was thought a decade ago. OTOH, car manufacturers are also continually improving their products so that driving a modern five litre vehicle I am producing far less pollution than I was when driving around in my average saloon car in the 1960s. Colin Bignell |
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John Stumbles wrote: It is actually. Drive to the in-laws 200 miles away and while they feed you another 250 miles is being fed into the thing from their socket, On the planet I live on not many people's in-laws have a 70 Amp socket outlet. Dribble obviously expects a free lunch in more ways than one. -- *The colder the X-ray table, the more of your body is required on it * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
Fully Electric Car available soon
On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 09:56:51 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
The trouble is electric car makers and their advocates always quote the best possible range and best possible performance without making it clear the two can't happen at the same time. To fool the gullible like dribble, who already thinks it's possible to exceed 100% efficiency. Now we all know that driving an IC car hard results in heavier fuel consumption and of course the same applies to an electric one. Not to the same extent: by driving hard you mean a lot of accelerating and braking, right? A well-designed electric car can recover a lot of the kinetic energy put into accelerating through regenerative braking which an IC cannot. |
Fully Electric Car available soon
"Dave Plowman (News)" through a haze of senile flatulence wrote in message ... In article , The Natural Philosopher wrote: But that's not what's on offer. It's a car to compete with the likes of Porsche in both price and performance. As if... Richard Cranium, it outperforms a Porche. You can even drive it with loafer on too. It's one of the oldest tricks in the book. We are offering X now at a high price, but Y will be along shortly which will wipe out the lower priced competition. Which suggests this tiny firm has a breakthrough the major makers haven't found after spending billions on research. Richard, the makers have done sweet FA, except Honda and Toyota with hybrids (the Prius was introduced 9 years ago). Toyota are at the forefront of electric cars - albeit hybrid ones. Mr Cranium, they are not, that is Mitsubish in the big makers. The forefront is Tesla Motors in league with Lotus. snip senile babble They should get him outside ASAP. He has to do some walking in those loafers. |
The DNS Server. Another classic
On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 11:31:20 +0100, Doctor Drivel wrote
(in article ews.net): The Internet was relatively overnight. The DNS server is actually in Fort Knox, that is how important the Internet is to modern living. Within 5 years it was well established an indispensable. Another classic. Fort Knox must be a virtual environment with branches worldwide. Perhaps it's a franchise http://www.root-servers.org/ http://www.isoc.org/briefings/019/ |
Fully Electric Car available soon
On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 10:04:09 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
That 'they' are going for premium performance and price says a lot about just how viable the project is. The profit margin in this sector is enormous. It isn't for family cars. Bit like colour telly then: way too expensive ever to make the mass market :-) |
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