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Feeding Long wires through Conduit
I have a Mill in France that has a new Borehole, located circa 40
metres away, the Large size conduit (circa 5 inch) is already buried in the ground, I am going to fit a Borehole pump 20 metres down the hole, then run the wire through the conduit to the Mill. But how do I get the wire to feed 40 metres down the conduit?, I have read on the net that I could use curtain wire, but will this feed 40 metres without Kinking? I am reluctant to purchase a Quick cable set as they come in 10 metre lengths and I would need to buy 4 of them for a one off job. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Paul |
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Get some suspended ceiling hanging wire. Run out a 45m length [it is now
like a giant slinky!!] fasten one end to a gate post or local peasant and fasten the other end in the chuck of a 'DECENT' mains electric drill. Pull the trigger until you get the wire straight [keep tension on the wire]. This will straighten all the kinks and twists out of the wire, but it may take a couple of mins to do so. Stop drill, allow torque on wire to go and Voila!!40m of dead straight wire. Then shove it through your orifice. Tie on new cable and a rope and pull your wire! -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG |
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"Simon" wrote in message ... "John" wrote in message oups.com... wrote: I have a Mill in France that has a new Borehole, located circa 40 metres away, the Large size conduit (circa 5 inch) is already buried in the ground, I am going to fit a Borehole pump 20 metres down the hole, then run the wire through the conduit to the Mill. But how do I get the wire to feed 40 metres down the conduit?, I have read on the net that I could use curtain wire, but will this feed 40 metres without Kinking? I am reluctant to purchase a Quick cable set as they come in 10 metre lengths and I would need to buy 4 of them for a one off job. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Paul Vacuum cleaner on the far end and suck a string through. Use the string to pull the cable through. John I used a vacuum cleaner to pull 20 metres of hairy green garden string through some 18mm garden hose - that worked OK. You would need a huge vacuum cleaner to get decent airflow through a 5" conduit. It's almost big enough for a small well-trained dog. It should work with a biggish vac if you make up a ball of rags that are a loosish fit in the pipe. AWEM |
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Hire a drain rod set. You can get a little wheel contraption that
screws onto the head to help it through. |
Feeding Long wires through Conduit
On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 11:28:28 UTC, " wrote:
Hire a drain rod set. You can get a little wheel contraption that screws onto the head to help it through. 40 metres of drain rods???? -- The information contained in this post is copyright the poster, and specifically may not be published in, or used by Avenue Supplies, http://avenuesupplies.co.uk |
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from " contains these words: Any suggestions would be appreciated. Ferret. -- Skipweasel Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain. |
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from Owain contains these words: Tie a string to a ferret? Compo-rays! -- Skipweasel Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain. |
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from "The3rd Earl Of Derby" contains these words: This is provided the water can drain out and dry out? Option 2 : tie a plastic ball with some string push the ball down the conduit as far as possible then make sure the string cannot get obstructed and start hosing water into the conduit,preferably with a good water pressure or pressure washer. Flood it and send a goldfish down. -- Skipweasel Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain. |
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wrote in message ups.com... I have a Mill in France that has a new Borehole, located circa 40 metres away, the Large size conduit (circa 5 inch) is already buried in the ground, I am going to fit a Borehole pump 20 metres down the hole, then run the wire through the conduit to the Mill. But how do I get the wire to feed 40 metres down the conduit?, I have read on the net that I could use curtain wire, but will this feed 40 metres without Kinking? I am reluctant to purchase a Quick cable set as they come in 10 metre lengths and I would need to buy 4 of them for a one off job. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Paul As a cable jointer on BT I've seen the way our gang lads get cables into ducts. If the duct is empty (in your case it is) they would tie a string to the handles of a plastic carrier bag, put the bag in the duct and then use an air compressor to blow the bag down the duct. When it gets to the distant end, use the string to draw through a stronger rope, and then use the rope to pull in the cables. Steve. |
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On 10 Jun 2006 07:27:33 -0700, " wrote: wrote: I have a Mill in France that has a new Borehole, located circa 40 metres away, the Large size conduit (circa 5 inch) is already buried in the ground, I am going to fit a Borehole pump 20 metres down the hole, then run the wire through the conduit to the Mill. But how do I get the wire to feed 40 metres down the conduit?, I have read on the net that I could use curtain wire, but will this feed 40 metres without Kinking? I am reluctant to purchase a Quick cable set as they come in 10 metre lengths and I would need to buy 4 of them for a one off job. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Paul I havent got a ferret! I havent got a Goldfish! I havent got a small dog! I cant use a pressure washer cos I aint got water yet!!!!!!!!! You would need a vacum cleaner with more vacum than whats in Tony B liars head, to suck 40 metres! Any sensible suggestions? Depending on how deep the conduit is - don't suppose some kind of radio-controlled car / tank / whatever could be used to 'tow' a thin line (?string?) down the conduit - then use the thin string to pull something useful down behind it....? When you do eventually solve it - make sure to leave a cord down there for the next poor person who is faced with the same problem. You probably could do it with drain rods - used to have trouble with a communal drain along the back of 10 semi-detached houses - and it was 'just' possible to rod from one end to the other - but it meant going up & down the street scrounging drain rods - and the 'wheel thing' on the end was a definite must... It'll be no consolation - but the person who installed the conduit should have left you a draw cord..... HTH Adrian Suffolk UK ======return email munged================= take out the papers and the trash to reply |
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On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 15:28:05 +0100, Steve wrote:
If the duct is empty (in your case it is) they would tie a string to the handles of a plastic carrier bag, put the bag in the duct and then use an air compressor to blow the bag down the duct. Back when my dad was in the Leccy business, they used a ferret to take a string into places that the human arm could not reach. |
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wrote: I have a Mill in France that has a new Borehole, located circa 40 metres away, the Large size conduit (circa 5 inch) is already buried in the ground, I am going to fit a Borehole pump 20 metres down the hole, then run the wire through the conduit to the Mill. But how do I get the wire to feed 40 metres down the conduit?, I have read on the net that I could use curtain wire, but will this feed 40 metres without Kinking? I am reluctant to purchase a Quick cable set as they come in 10 metre lengths and I would need to buy 4 of them for a one off job. I havent got a ferret! I havent got a Goldfish! I havent got a small dog! I cant use a pressure washer cos I aint got water yet!!!!!!!!! You would need a vacum cleaner with more vacum than whats in Tony B liars head, to suck 40 metres! Any sensible suggestions? In all honesty, a ferret or similar is actually an extremely sensible suggestion. I've done it myself once, years ago using a friend's pet rat we were baby-sitting(?) while she was on holiday, which happened to coincide with some re-wiring I happened to be doing at the time... worked like a charm. If there's anyway you can find somone who has a pet one to borrow, that's definitely the way to go. Also see: http://www.eschoolnews.com/news/show...m?ArticleID=95 Job would have been a hell of a lot easier to have done before you'd buried it - eg using a magnet tied to some string inside the duct, with another one outside - but I'm guessing you've already realised that! David |
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from " contains these words: You would need a vacum cleaner with more vacum than whats in Tony B liars head, to suck 40 metres! Not really. Provided the pipe doesn't leak then it'll spend a few minutes lowering the pressure in the pipe, then if you've attached the line to something like a polystyrene ball it'll not know how long the pipe is. Failing that, Lego or Meccano motors will run for long enough easily. Shouldn't be too hard to knock up a runner. -- Skipweasel Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain. |
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Bob Eager wrote: On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 11:28:28 UTC, " wrote: Hire a drain rod set. You can get a little wheel contraption that screws onto the head to help it through. 40 metres of drain rods???? -- The information contained in this post is copyright the poster, and specifically may not be published in, or used by Avenue Supplies, http://avenuesupplies.co.uk Yes I thought of rods and fish wires initially and then did the 'not 40 metres worth' bit. I think I would try the vacuum cleaner idea but the sie of the pipe rather is against that - if it is straight I would try a pig made out of a length of dowel - say 200-300 mm - with 50mm thick polstyrene discs which have reasonable clearance from the wall holding in place washers of membrane grade polythene which act like piston rings and eliminate the air past the pig thus sucking it along with the fairly small vacuum, but large air flow from the cleaner - obviously the largest one you can lay your hands on. The other option would be to wash the 'string' down with oodles of water but as the water is beyond the bottom end of the pipe still, we a have a 'there's a hole in my bucket .... ' scenario where that idea is concerned ! This is an interesting and somewhat unusual challenge - tell us what the solution is please when you find one ! Rob |
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wrote: I have a Mill in France that has a new Borehole, located circa 40 metres away, the Large size conduit (circa 5 inch) is already buried in the ground, I am going to fit a Borehole pump 20 metres down the hole, then run the wire through the conduit to the Mill. But how do I get the wire to feed 40 metres down the conduit?, I have read on the net that I could use curtain wire, but will this feed 40 metres without Kinking? I am reluctant to purchase a Quick cable set as they come in 10 metre lengths and I would need to buy 4 of them for a one off job. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Paul I havent got a ferret! I havent got a Goldfish! I havent got a small dog! I cant use a pressure washer cos I aint got water yet!!!!!!!!! You would need a vacum cleaner with more vacum than whats in Tony B liars head, to suck 40 metres! Any sensible suggestions? Any good with a bow&arrow? ;-) -- Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite |
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The message
from Owain contains these words: I used to have a skein of (I think ex-military) very thin but strong twisted-twin flex with teflon insulation; 40m of something like that would weigh next to nothing so the motorised buggy wouldn't even need to be battery powered - the draw wire could double as power feed. Monofilament fishing line would do fine for the first pull. -- Skipweasel Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain. |
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from "robgraham" contains these words: sucking it along with the fairly small vacuum, but large air flow from the cleaner - obviously the largest one you can lay your hands on. I can just imagine making a manifold and getting all the locals round to plug all their vacuum cleaners in together. -- Skipweasel Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain. |
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Then catch a mouse and block the starting end a bit so the mouse cant escape. :-) -- Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite And all you'll then need is some chocolate sauce or peanut butter (apparently better than cheese...) |
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"Bob Eager" wrote in message
... On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 11:28:28 UTC, " wrote: Hire a drain rod set. You can get a little wheel contraption that screws onto the head to help it through. 40 metres of drain rods???? I don't know why so many raised eyebrows at drain rods, to do 40m is only 40 rods, easily do-able, like another poster has said, borrow the extra ones you need. Rich |
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And all you'll then need is some chocolate sauce or peanut butter (apparently better than cheese...) I used to use KitKat with great success to catch them.. Dave |
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wrote in message ups.com... I have a Mill in France that has a new Borehole, located circa 40 metres away, the Large size conduit (circa 5 inch) is already buried in the ground, I am going to fit a Borehole pump 20 metres down the hole, then run the wire through the conduit to the Mill. But how do I get the wire to feed 40 metres down the conduit?, I have read on the net that I could use curtain wire, but will this feed 40 metres without Kinking? I am reluctant to purchase a Quick cable set as they come in 10 metre lengths and I would need to buy 4 of them for a one off job. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Paul The way we used to do it was to use a compressor ( road breaker type ) to blow air down the duct and feed 8mm polyprop rope in till it came out the other, very easy and very quick. |
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from gort contains these words: I used to use KitKat with great success to catch them.. I had a cat called KitKat once! -- Skipweasel Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain. |
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wrote in message ups.com... I have a Mill in France that has a new Borehole, located circa 40 metres away, the Large size conduit (circa 5 inch) is already buried in the ground, I am going to fit a Borehole pump 20 metres down the hole, then run the wire through the conduit to the Mill. But how do I get the wire to feed 40 metres down the conduit?, I have read on the net that I could use curtain wire, but will this feed 40 metres without Kinking? I am reluctant to purchase a Quick cable set as they come in 10 metre lengths and I would need to buy 4 of them for a one off job. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Paul If the conduit is not installed, run the cables through as you install the lengths of the conduit. Simple. |
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Doctor Drivel wrote:
Simple. That you are. -- Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite |
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"Doctor Drivel" wrote in message reenews.net... wrote in message ups.com... I have a Mill in France that has a new Borehole, located circa 40 metres away, the Large size conduit (circa 5 inch) is already buried in the ground, I am going to fit a Borehole pump 20 metres down the hole, then run the wire through the conduit to the Mill. But how do I get the wire to feed 40 metres down the conduit?, I have read on the net that I could use curtain wire, but will this feed 40 metres without Kinking? I am reluctant to purchase a Quick cable set as they come in 10 metre lengths and I would need to buy 4 of them for a one off job. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Paul If the conduit is not installed, run the cables through as you install the lengths of the conduit. Simple. There is a clue in "the Large size conduit (circa 5 inch) is already buried in the ground," Jim A |
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Conduit may be to big , but could try running a bit of string through a
tennis ball, tying it off, blast the ball thru with compressed air (distance may be to far), then you at least have a draw line. Hope this helps. Seen it done on ducts along bridge decks before. "Jim Alexander" wrote in message ... "Doctor Drivel" wrote in message reenews.net... wrote in message ups.com... I have a Mill in France that has a new Borehole, located circa 40 metres away, the Large size conduit (circa 5 inch) is already buried in the ground, I am going to fit a Borehole pump 20 metres down the hole, then run the wire through the conduit to the Mill. But how do I get the wire to feed 40 metres down the conduit?, I have read on the net that I could use curtain wire, but will this feed 40 metres without Kinking? I am reluctant to purchase a Quick cable set as they come in 10 metre lengths and I would need to buy 4 of them for a one off job. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Paul If the conduit is not installed, run the cables through as you install the lengths of the conduit. Simple. There is a clue in "the Large size conduit (circa 5 inch) is already buried in the ground," Jim A |
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from Owain contains these words: Send up a ferret, a good English ferret, raised on black pudding and beer. Is that what makes 'em end up looking like this? http://www.copyright-free-pictures.o...rs/ferit-2.jpg -- Skipweasel Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain. |
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"Owain" wrote in message ... Doctor Drivel wrote: If the conduit is not installed, run the cables through as you install the lengths of the conduit. Simple. Read and understand the words "the Large size conduit (circa 5 inch) is already buried in the ground". Anyway, running cables as you install conduit is contrary to the IEE regs. Conduit has to be complete before any cables are installed. I know this is for France, but that's no excuse for bad habits. Nonsense! Then they are wrong. You can have a string attached to the cable, screw on a length of conduit and pull through so the cable is still inside the conduit end, then another length and then another pull, and so on. easy. You will not harm the cable as you go and you can even smear grease if you like. I have done it in the past. Worked brilliantly |
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"Owain" wrote in message ... wrote: Anyway, running cables as you install conduit is contrary to the IEE regs. Conduit has to be complete before any cables are installed. I know this is for France, but that's no excuse for bad habits. In wall flexible plastic conduit containing single wire cores (preinstalled) is widely available and used in France. Why do you think this is a bad wiring practice? Because if the wires are installed with the conduit, instead of being drawn in afterwards, it may not be possible to withdraw and replace the wires, which is one of the main purposes of conduit, and the reason why in Britain you're not supposed to draw wires through more than 2 x 90 degree (or equivalent) bends. You put in the necessary removable plate junctions/elbows. |
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The3rd Earl Of Derby wrote:
Doctor Drivel wrote: Simple. That you are. No need to flatter him. |
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