Hi

Repainting a basement level bedroom of an 1820s terraced house ...

On the walls there are a pattern of thin cracks in the render. One
other consideration is that there are currently large channels of badly
finished, exposed plaster after some work by an electrician.

Have been talking to a few people:

One opinion is that the walls should be lined and then painted over the
lining paper: they suggested this because 'old houses move and the
cracks will reappear'.

Another person prefers reskimming the wall and simply painting over
(his opinion was that the house would have settled and as the cracks
have not enlarged over the last 2 years then lining is unnecessary and
a better job would be done without).

So, lining vs no-lining - is it just a personal preference between the
two? To me, lining sounds like a way to do a quicker job and not have
to worry so much about the existing state of the wall but I don't like
the idea of the possibility of vertical lines in the wall every metre
if done badly. Any implications of lining for future
maintenance/repainting/appearance?

Cheers

Emma

emma_middlebrook wrote:
Repainting a basement level bedroom of an 1820s terraced house ...

Are there any damp problems at all?


On the walls there are a pattern of thin cracks in the render. One
other consideration is that there are currently large channels of badly
finished, exposed plaster after some work by an electrician.

What's it rendered with, do you know? Has it been plastered,
if so with what (or what does it look like)?


One opinion is that the walls should be lined and then painted over the
lining paper: they suggested this because 'old houses move and the
cracks will reappear'.

If cracks are going to re-appear, then they'll break the lining
paper anyway (unless it does not adhere well)!


Another person prefers reskimming the wall and simply painting over
(his opinion was that the house would have settled and as the cracks
have not enlarged over the last 2 years then lining is unnecessary and
a better job would be done without).

Has it been plastered (converted from cellar?) recently?


So, lining vs no-lining - is it just a personal preference between the
two? To me, lining sounds like a way to do a quicker job and not have
to worry so much about the existing state of the wall but I don't like
the idea of the possibility of vertical lines in the wall every metre
if done badly.

If you line it, you will still have to prepare well.


Any implications of lining for future maintenance/repainting/appearance?

Not particularly. It's susceptible to being damaged by furniture
etc. rubbing on it though.


It would be nice to have more info., but, on the face of it, I'd
make good any noticeable damage with filler, then wipe very runny
filler over the whole lot with a squeegee, and paint it.

adder1969 wrote:
My experience is that over time "cracks" appear between the strips of
lining paper.

This could be due to damp, or poor adhesion, or stretching the
paper as it's hung, or a combination!

wrote:
Hi

Repainting a basement level bedroom of an 1820s terraced house ...

On the walls there are a pattern of thin cracks in the render. One
other consideration is that there are currently large channels of badly
finished, exposed plaster after some work by an electrician.

Have been talking to a few people:

One opinion is that the walls should be lined and then painted over the
lining paper: they suggested this because 'old houses move and the
cracks will reappear'.

Another person prefers reskimming the wall and simply painting over
(his opinion was that the house would have settled and as the cracks
have not enlarged over the last 2 years then lining is unnecessary and
a better job would be done without).

So, lining vs no-lining - is it just a personal preference between the
two? To me, lining sounds like a way to do a quicker job and not have
to worry so much about the existing state of the wall but I don't like
the idea of the possibility of vertical lines in the wall every metre
if done badly. Any implications of lining for future
maintenance/repainting/appearance?

Cheers

Emma


Skim for a decent finish, lining paper for a quick'n'dirty one.

wrote:
Hi

Repainting a basement level bedroom of an 1820s terraced house ...

On the walls there are a pattern of thin cracks in the render. One
other consideration is that there are currently large channels of
badly finished, exposed plaster after some work by an electrician.

Have been talking to a few people:

One opinion is that the walls should be lined and then painted over
the lining paper: they suggested this because 'old houses move and the
cracks will reappear'.

Another person prefers reskimming the wall and simply painting over
(his opinion was that the house would have settled and as the cracks
have not enlarged over the last 2 years then lining is unnecessary and
a better job would be done without).

So, lining vs no-lining - is it just a personal preference between the
two? To me, lining sounds like a way to do a quicker job and not have
to worry so much about the existing state of the wall but I don't like
the idea of the possibility of vertical lines in the wall every metre
if done badly. Any implications of lining for future
maintenance/repainting/appearance?

Cheers

Emma

Slap scrim tape all over each wall then skim it with plaster.

--
Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite

In message .com,
" writes
So, lining vs no-lining - is it just a personal preference between the
two?

Been there... Done that... Skim every time!

--
Richard Faulkner

Chris Bacon wrote:
emma_middlebrook wrote:
Repainting a basement level bedroom of an 1820s terraced house ...

Are there any damp problems at all?

Not obvious ones or anything anyone has spotted.

On the walls there are a pattern of thin cracks in the render. One
other consideration is that there are currently large channels of badly
finished, exposed plaster after some work by an electrician.

What's it rendered with, do you know? Has it been plastered,
if so with what (or what does it look like)?

It is plastered but other than that, I'm not knowledgeable enough to
say with what kind.

One opinion is that the walls should be lined and then painted over the
lining paper: they suggested this because 'old houses move and the
cracks will reappear'.

If cracks are going to re-appear, then they'll break the lining
paper anyway (unless it does not adhere well)!

That's what I thought which is why I started being concerned about the
two approaches.

Another person prefers reskimming the wall and simply painting over
(his opinion was that the house would have settled and as the cracks
have not enlarged over the last 2 years then lining is unnecessary and
a better job would be done without).

Has it been plastered (converted from cellar?) recently?

No, I think the conversion is early 1980s.

So, lining vs no-lining - is it just a personal preference between the
two? To me, lining sounds like a way to do a quicker job and not have
to worry so much about the existing state of the wall but I don't like
the idea of the possibility of vertical lines in the wall every metre
if done badly.

If you line it, you will still have to prepare well.

That's interesting because maybe the two approaches aren't about time
and skill level then?

Any implications of lining for future maintenance/repainting/appearance?

Not particularly. It's susceptible to being damaged by furniture
etc. rubbing on it though.


It would be nice to have more info., but, on the face of it, I'd
make good any noticeable damage with filler, then wipe very runny
filler over the whole lot with a squeegee, and paint it.

I may not have provided you with any more info' but thanks for your
comments.

As you can probably guess, I'm not attempting the job myself as it's
quite important to get it right.

Emma

wrote:
wrote:
Hi

Repainting a basement level bedroom of an 1820s terraced house ...

On the walls there are a pattern of thin cracks in the render. One
other consideration is that there are currently large channels of badly
finished, exposed plaster after some work by an electrician.

Have been talking to a few people:

One opinion is that the walls should be lined and then painted over the
lining paper: they suggested this because 'old houses move and the
cracks will reappear'.


My experience is that over time "cracks" appear between the strips of
lining paper.


I was taught to hang lining paper with overlap, not butt, joints. These
are then sanded down. You can never find the joins later, and they
never open up.

R.

TheOldFellow wrote:

I was taught to hang lining paper with overlap, not butt, joints.
These are then sanded down. You can never find the joins later, and
they never open up.

R.

Heh!

--
Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite

emma_middlebrook wrote:
Chris Bacon wrote:
If you line it, you will still have to prepare well.

That's interesting because maybe the two approaches aren't about time
and skill level then?

To a degree... lining paper will cover up minor imperfections, such
as sanding marks and hairline cracks, but anything more (lumps, bumps
and dips) will show through quite plainly.

The message .com
from "
contains these words:

vertical lines

I've always done lining horizontally.

--
Skipweasel
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.

Guy King wrote:
The message .com
from "
contains these words:

vertical lines

I've always done lining horizontally.

Lying down on the job again. Tsk

--
Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite

TheOldFellow wrote:
wrote:

wrote:

Hi

Repainting a basement level bedroom of an 1820s terraced house ...

On the walls there are a pattern of thin cracks in the render. One
other consideration is that there are currently large channels of badly
finished, exposed plaster after some work by an electrician.

Have been talking to a few people:

One opinion is that the walls should be lined and then painted over the
lining paper: they suggested this because 'old houses move and the
cracks will reappear'.


My experience is that over time "cracks" appear between the strips of
lining paper.


I was taught to hang lining paper with overlap, not butt, joints. These
are then sanded down. You can never find the joins later, and they
never open up.

R.

That's never worked for me but maybe my technique was wrong. Perhaps you
could elaborate?