I'm getting a set of french windows made (the d-i-y is in the fitting
- just to keep it on topic) and I'd like to have an espagnolette bolt
rather than a pair of normal bolts top and bottom. Specifically I'm
thinking of the one on Screwfix page 180

I'm looking for comments on security - is espagnolette better, worse
or no difference seeing as anyone who really wanted to break in could
easily smash through the leaded light windows which are only 3m away

Has anyone actually bought these ones from Screwfix? They look OK but
its hard to tell the finish quality from a picture

Anna

On Wed, 17 May 2006 06:56:15 GMT, (Anna)
wrote:

Hm just changed newsreader and my ID is confused (so whats new ...) I
will get it sorted asap

Anna
The plasterer

"Anna" wrote:
I'm getting a set of french windows made (the d-i-y is in the fitting
- just to keep it on topic) and I'd like to have an espagnolette bolt
rather than a pair of normal bolts top and bottom. Specifically I'm
thinking of the one on Screwfix page 180

I'm looking for comments on security - is espagnolette better, worse
or no difference seeing as anyone who really wanted to break in could
easily smash through the leaded light windows which are only 3m away

Has anyone actually bought these ones from Screwfix? They look OK but
its hard to tell the finish quality from a picture

Anna

Screwfix is owned by B & Q therefore you MAY be able to inspect these bolts
in B & Q.

Whilst a surface mount espagnolette is probably better than simple
window catches (2 locking points, so better resists jemmying) - a far
better solution are espagnolettes built into the frame. This is quiet a
bit more work for the joiner, but is the solution you see on all the
upmarket modern timber windows.

Built in will allow you to fit and aftermarket europrofile quarter-turn
handle, with key locking if you wish - the mechanism is entirely
concealed in the frame. If you need high security consider getting the
glazing sealed units with toughened or laminated glass (approx + 40%
for toughened, but glass is a small part of the overall cost).
Specifying smaller glass panes helps too.

I've recently made a set of oak, gothic arched chapel doors and bought
multipoint locks from these people http://www.lockmaster.co.uk/ - I
found them extremely helpful - even when I had to change some parts. I
used lockmaster branded stuff this time (exactly the right design for
my doors) - but have lived in a flat with windows using maco hardware,
which was outstanding.

Do you mean full height double french doors as windows? If so the
Lockmaster French door locks may be exactly the right solution for you
(they require a false mullion be built into the slave door, the payoff
being lots of locking points)

Anna wrote:
I'm getting a set of french windows made (the d-i-y is in the fitting
- just to keep it on topic) and I'd like to have an espagnolette bolt
rather than a pair of normal bolts top and bottom. Specifically I'm
thinking of the one on Screwfix page 180

I'm looking for comments on security - is espagnolette better, worse
or no difference seeing as anyone who really wanted to break in could
easily smash through the leaded light windows which are only 3m away

Has anyone actually bought these ones from Screwfix? They look OK but
its hard to tell the finish quality from a picture

Can you post a URL?

FWIW these things (flush bolts):

http://www.screwfix.com/app/sfd/cat/...15004&ts=55458

aren't marvellously strong, but should be OK combined with
rack bolts on one window.

Are your windows to open in, or out?

wrote:
Do you mean full height double french doors as windows?

FLIPPING HECK.

Pardon me, but *really*.

Chris Bacon wrote:
wrote:
Do you mean full height double french doors as windows?

FLIPPING HECK.

Pardon me, but *really*.

No - not really at all. AIUI the terms are quite similar - French Doors
(doors with glazed panels all the way to the floor, often double doors)
and French Windows (usually a pair of inward opening, tall and narrow
windows).

wrote:
Chris Bacon wrote:
wrote:
Do you mean full height double french doors as windows?
FLIPPING HECK.

Pardon me, but *really*.

No - not really at all. AIUI the terms are quite similar

Well then you do not UI.


- French Doors
(doors with glazed panels all the way to the floor, often double doors)

These are French windows.


and French Windows (usually a pair of inward opening, tall and narrow
windows).

These are windows.

"Anna" wrote in message
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On Wed, 17 May 2006 06:56:15 GMT, (Anna)
wrote:

Hm just changed newsreader and my ID is confused (so whats new ...) I
will get it sorted asap

Anna
The plasterer

Ah - I wondered!

Mary