david lang wrote:
wrote: in a recent thread "I expect the pppro is likely
to be an aggressively cost cut version with plasticine gears and coin cells,
so I'm more tempted by the Ryobi".

We sell product in UK, but because we have to offer a 40% discount to
resellers and cover our costs, we also mark up by multiplying by 2.8.

We now have a product that is shipped from Italy, to Denmark, to UK.
Everybody wants a mark up, so a machine that leaves the Italian factory at a
price of £50 has a UK list price of around £390.

Enter stage left - B&Q and Machine Mart. They negotiate with FIAP, not for
container loads, but for huge volumes - really huge volumes, so they get a
better price. The shipping costs are less for larger volumes and they go
straight from Italy to UK. Fewer mark ups, less costs.

The upshot? Exactly the same kit (different colour, but identical) sold for
half the price. Exactly the same kit. Exactly.

Not a cheaper spec - changing that would actually cost FIAP money through
loss of volume. Simply bulk purchase, lower shipping costs, fewer mark ups,
lower margins.

"Ah, yes, but it doesn't work like that for Bosch, Makita, and all
these quality manufacturers, does it, because.... oh, arr, erm....
oh, *BECAUSE!*"

On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 09:26:47 +0000, Chris Bacon
wrote:


"Ah, yes, but it doesn't work like that for Bosch..

FWIW, Bosch are made by Skil (Or vice versa?)

sponix

sPoNiX wrote:

FWIW, Bosch are made by Skil (Or vice versa?)


Bosch bought Skil in the mid 1990s. Nothing wrong with Skil stuff.


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Grunff

Grunff wrote:
sPoNiX wrote:

FWIW, Bosch are made by Skil (Or vice versa?)


Bosch bought Skil in the mid 1990s. Nothing wrong with Skil stuff.


--
Grunff

The Skil drill my father bought was total pants but mind you so was the
green Bosch one.
Although that hasn't stopped me from buying Bosch stuff because I'm
still happy with their other products.

Chris Bacon wrote:

"Ah, yes, but it doesn't work like that for Bosch, Makita, and all
these quality manufacturers, does it, because

It works exactly like that for them when they choose to offer a badged
product. What differentiates them from (say) NuTool is the basic quality
of raw product they are prepared accept and put their "brand" on, and
also what value they choose to add as an organisation between delivery
of the product from manufacturing and to the end user.


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Cheers,

John.

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On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 10:52:00 +0000, John Rumm
wrote:

Chris Bacon wrote:

"Ah, yes, but it doesn't work like that for Bosch, Makita, and all
these quality manufacturers, does it, because

It works exactly like that for them when they choose to offer a badged
product. What differentiates them from (say) NuTool is the basic quality
of raw product they are prepared accept and put their "brand" on, and
also what value they choose to add as an organisation between delivery
of the product from manufacturing and to the end user.


Paradoxically, even that is inconsistent.

For example, both Bosch and Makita make pretty good routers.

However product managers at both manufacturers have decided that it's
necessary to have product bundles with packets of cutters because the
cheap manufacturers do it.

They then proceed to procure cheap **** cutters and put their brand
label on them. It is very obvious that the cutters are not of the
same quality as CMT or Freud. They do the same thing with packs of
drills given away with some cordless tool bundles.

Rather stupid, because they don't need to do it and are just
prostituting their brand.


They would be far better off doing a deal with Freud or CMT and
including a discount voucher towards purchase of one of their
products.


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..andy

Andy Hall wrote:

For example, both Bosch and Makita make pretty good routers.

However product managers at both manufacturers have decided that it's
necessary to have product bundles with packets of cutters because the
cheap manufacturers do it.

They then proceed to procure cheap **** cutters and put their brand
label on them. It is very obvious that the cutters are not of the
same quality as CMT or Freud. They do the same thing with packs of
drills given away with some cordless tool bundles.

Rather stupid, because they don't need to do it and are just
prostituting their brand.


They would be far better off doing a deal with Freud or CMT and
including a discount voucher towards purchase of one of their
products.

Or include the cutters but badge those with different branding, so the
main brand is not tarnished.


NT

On 25 Jan 2006 09:37:49 -0800, wrote:

Andy Hall wrote:

For example, both Bosch and Makita make pretty good routers.

However product managers at both manufacturers have decided that it's
necessary to have product bundles with packets of cutters because the
cheap manufacturers do it.

They then proceed to procure cheap **** cutters and put their brand
label on them. It is very obvious that the cutters are not of the
same quality as CMT or Freud. They do the same thing with packs of
drills given away with some cordless tool bundles.

Rather stupid, because they don't need to do it and are just
prostituting their brand.


They would be far better off doing a deal with Freud or CMT and
including a discount voucher towards purchase of one of their
products.

Or include the cutters but badge those with different branding, so the
main brand is not tarnished.

OK, but why bother?

If somebody is sufficiently discerning to buy a better tool then they
are likely to be looking for better consumables.

Ironically, if you buy a good quality circular or compound mitre saw,
you will generally get a respectable blade with it. Probably not top
of the range, but respectable. Hence one can put a mid range blade
on a cheap saw and make quite an improvement.


--

..andy

On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 20:23:35 +0000, Andy Hall
wrote:

On 25 Jan 2006 09:37:49 -0800, wrote:


Or include the cutters but badge those with different branding, so the
main brand is not tarnished.

OK, but why bother?

If somebody is sufficiently discerning to buy a better tool then they
are likely to be looking for better consumables.

Hi,

I wouldn't want to use top quality cutters on chipboard and MDF, as
the glue blunts them much more quickly, so a free set of cheaper
cutters would be quite welcome.

Ironically, if you buy a good quality circular or compound mitre saw,
you will generally get a respectable blade with it. Probably not top
of the range, but respectable. Hence one can put a mid range blade
on a cheap saw and make quite an improvement.

If finish is important a cheap blade with more teeth is another
alternative. I've got a 48T in my circular saw, came with the saw plus
another spare blade for £24 total The other blade I'll use for MDF
and rough work.

cheers,
Pete.

On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 22:19:44 +0000, Pete C
wrote:

On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 20:23:35 +0000, Andy Hall
wrote:

On 25 Jan 2006 09:37:49 -0800, wrote:


Or include the cutters but badge those with different branding, so the
main brand is not tarnished.

OK, but why bother?

If somebody is sufficiently discerning to buy a better tool then they
are likely to be looking for better consumables.

Hi,

I wouldn't want to use top quality cutters on chipboard and MDF, as
the glue blunts them much more quickly, so a free set of cheaper
cutters would be quite welcome.

To some extent I agree, and one can't put a fine finish on particle
board anyway. MDF does lend itself better to machining.

I still prefer to buy consumables separately though.



Ironically, if you buy a good quality circular or compound mitre saw,
you will generally get a respectable blade with it. Probably not top
of the range, but respectable. Hence one can put a mid range blade
on a cheap saw and make quite an improvement.

If finish is important a cheap blade with more teeth is another
alternative. I've got a 48T in my circular saw, came with the saw plus
another spare blade for £24 total The other blade I'll use for MDF
and rough work.

That's reasonable depending on the mix of work, I agree.


--

..andy