Don't know if you've seen this yet, as there's been no listings for it as
far as I can see. www.futurenergy.co.uk are running a challenge for those
who are a bit inventive (suppose that would include me) and offer royalties
and £2,500 for the best idea submitted to them. Dragon's Den, but without
the Dragons !!!

Cheers
Innovate808

Innovate808 wrote:
Don't know if you've seen this yet, as there's been no listings for it as
far as I can see. www.futurenergy.co.uk are running a challenge for those
who are a bit inventive (suppose that would include me) and offer royalties
and ?2,500 for the best idea submitted to them. Dragon's Den, but without
the Dragons !!!

Massive investment in thorium breeding pebble bed reactors, to replace all
fossil fuel electricity generation, with enough extra that everyone with gas
heating can rip it out, and longer term go to thermal hydrogen
generation for powering fuel cell based cars.

A point that often gets missed is that nuclear subsidies largely go to
UK workers.
Whereas oil and gas revenues largely go abroad.

In message , Innovate808
writes
Don't know if you've seen this yet, as there's been no listings for it as
far as I can see. www.futurenergy.co.uk are running a challenge for those
who are a bit inventive (suppose that would include me) and offer royalties
and £2,500 for the best idea submitted to them. Dragon's Den, but without
the Dragons !!!

Nowt to do with you then ?

--
geoff

On Tue, 03 Jan 2006 23:23:02 +0000, Ian Stirling wrote:

Innovate808 wrote:
Don't know if you've seen this yet, as there's been no listings for it as
far as I can see. www.futurenergy.co.uk are running a challenge for those
who are a bit inventive (suppose that would include me) and offer royalties
and ?2,500 for the best idea submitted to them. Dragon's Den, but without
the Dragons !!!

Massive investment in thorium breeding pebble bed reactors, to replace all
fossil fuel electricity generation, with enough extra that everyone with gas
heating can rip it out, and longer term go to thermal hydrogen
generation for powering fuel cell based cars.

A point that often gets missed is that nuclear subsidies largely go to
UK workers.
Whereas oil and gas revenues largely go abroad.

A more relevant comparison would be between subsidising the nuclear power
industry (as at present) and the benefits of transferring the subsidies to
renewables and energy conservation. This would also benefit UK workers,
probably more so than buying dodgy reactor designs from USAnian
companies.

On the downside the workers wouldn't get to see in the dark by their own
glow.

On 03 Jan 2006 23:23:02 GMT, Ian Stirling wrote:

Innovate808 wrote:
Don't know if you've seen this yet, as there's been no listings for it as
far as I can see. www.futurenergy.co.uk are running a challenge for those
who are a bit inventive (suppose that would include me) and offer royalties
and ?2,500 for the best idea submitted to them. Dragon's Den, but without
the Dragons !!!

Massive investment in thorium breeding pebble bed reactors, to replace all
fossil fuel electricity generation, with enough extra that everyone with gas
heating can rip it out, and longer term go to thermal hydrogen
generation for powering fuel cell based cars.

A point that often gets missed is that nuclear subsidies largely go to
UK workers.
Whereas oil and gas revenues largely go abroad.



One thing thats being missed in the nuclear debate, is the cost benefit
analysis between storing radiactive stuff in the ground for a million
years, and storing CO2 in the atmsophere for 5 million years, where it will
do FAR more harm.

On Tue, 3 Jan 2006 22:51:12 -0000, "Innovate808"
wrote:

Don't know if you've seen this yet, as there's been no listings for it as
far as I can see. www.futurenergy.co.uk are running a challenge for those
who are a bit inventive (suppose that would include me) and offer royalties
and £2,500 for the best idea submitted to them. Dragon's Den, but without
the Dragons !!!

You have to PAY to enter? Stuff that!

sponix

The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 03 Jan 2006 23:23:02 GMT, Ian Stirling wrote:

Innovate808 wrote:
Don't know if you've seen this yet, as there's been no listings for it as
far as I can see. www.futurenergy.co.uk are running a challenge for those
who are a bit inventive (suppose that would include me) and offer royalties
and ?2,500 for the best idea submitted to them. Dragon's Den, but without
the Dragons !!!

Massive investment in thorium breeding pebble bed reactors, to replace all
fossil fuel electricity generation, with enough extra that everyone with gas
heating can rip it out, and longer term go to thermal hydrogen
generation for powering fuel cell based cars.

A point that often gets missed is that nuclear subsidies largely go to
UK workers.
Whereas oil and gas revenues largely go abroad.



One thing thats being missed in the nuclear debate, is the cost benefit
analysis between storing radiactive stuff in the ground for a million
years, and storing CO2 in the atmsophere for 5 million years, where it will
do FAR more harm.

It hasn't done much harm over the last 5 million years.

MBQ

In article .com,
wrote:
One thing thats being missed in the nuclear debate, is the cost benefit
analysis between storing radiactive stuff in the ground for a million
years, and storing CO2 in the atmsophere for 5 million years, where it
will do FAR more harm.

It hasn't done much harm over the last 5 million years.

OK but for two minor quibbles:

1. AFAIK no-one was digging up and burning fossil fuel in large quantitiies
prior to the last 300 years;

2. By 'not much harm' do you discount a mile or so of ice above this point?

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Innovate808 wrote:

Don't know if you've seen this yet, as there's been no listings for it as
far as I can see. www.futurenergy.co.uk are running a challenge for those
who are a bit inventive (suppose that would include me) and offer royalties
and £2,500 for the best idea submitted to them. Dragon's Den, but without
the Dragons !!!

Cheers
Innovate808


"You don't need to be an expert in any of these fields to make useful
suggestions."

This is unlikely. The way these schemes work is they get flooded with
ideas from people too stupid to realise how stupid their ideas are.
Such ideas are mostly not inventions at all, not novel, not
competitive, and often dont work at all.


"Products in this category could therefore include a new mobile phone
charger that switches itself off completely when your phone's been
charged. The simplicity of this idea could in itself save millions of
watts of power each day in the UK alone, and could be introduced
without the end user being aware of the savings they have made."

This one is stone obvious and has been all along. It isnt always
implemented because it adds to manufacture cost, and the marketplace is
highly competitive. If this is the standard of ideas theyre looking
for, then either

1. theyre clueless
2. theyre looking to cash in on all those people that think they have
an idea worth pursuing, more or less all of which are junk.

£20 per personal 'idea' is nowhere near enough to evaluate them to any
useful degree, which begs the question of exactly what they will really
be doing with all these junk ideas.


The site says any succesful inventor will get a royalty agreement, but:
1. these things are not that easy to come by
2. they dont say what the percentage is!

This site will surely put off serious inventors.

Basically I think this is just another commercial exercise, making the
post spam. I've xposted it to alt.inventors, where it belongs if
anywhere, to give the opportunity for knowledgeable feedback.


NT

On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 10:06:02 +0000 (GMT), John Cartmell
wrote:

| In article .com,
| wrote:
| One thing thats being missed in the nuclear debate, is the cost benefit
| analysis between storing radiactive stuff in the ground for a million
| years, and storing CO2 in the atmsophere for 5 million years, whereit
| will do FAR more harm.
|
| It hasn't done much harm over the last 5 million years.
|
| OK but for two minor quibbles:
|
| 1. AFAIK no-one was digging up and burning fossil fuel in large quantitiies
| prior to the last 300 years;

You must remember that 6000 years ago most of the UK was covered in
Wild Wood, where a squirrel could travel from Lands End to John o'
Groats without touching the ground

Man has been cutting down this Wild Wood for 6000-10000 years. Then
burning/allowing the wood to rot, so producing CO2. There is some
evidence in Scientific American that atmospheric CO2 has been
increasing since the beginning of agriculture. And we complain about
Brazil and the Rain Forest.
--
Dave Fawthrop dave hyphenologist co uk
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For Yorkshire Dialect go to www.hyphenologist.co.uk/songs/

Dave Fawthrop wrote:

You must remember that 6000 years ago most of the UK was covered in
Wild Wood, where a squirrel could travel from Lands End to John o'
Groats without touching the ground

Man has been cutting down this Wild Wood for 6000-10000 years. Then
burning/allowing the wood to rot, so producing CO2. There is some
evidence in Scientific American that atmospheric CO2 has been
increasing since the beginning of agriculture. And we complain about
Brazil and the Rain Forest.

Ah yes but don't forget that every week, Brazil cuts down an area of
rain forest equivalent to 35 times the area of the UK...

David

[/clarkson]

Lobster wrote:
Dave Fawthrop wrote:

You must remember that 6000 years ago most of the UK was covered in
Wild Wood, where a squirrel could travel from Lands End to John o'
Groats without touching the ground

Man has been cutting down this Wild Wood for 6000-10000 years. Then
burning/allowing the wood to rot, so producing CO2. There is some
evidence in Scientific American that atmospheric CO2 has been
increasing since the beginning of agriculture. And we complain about
Brazil and the Rain Forest.

Ah yes but don't forget that every week, Brazil cuts down an area of
rain forest equivalent to 35 times the area of the UK...

That's one weeks cutting, then Look up the land areas for yourself.

MBQ

On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 10:53:48 +0000, Dave Fawthrop
wrote this (or the missive
included this):

1. AFAIK no-one was digging up and burning fossil fuel in large quantitiies
| prior to the last 300 years;

You must remember that 6000 years ago most of the UK was covered in
Wild Wood, where a squirrel could travel from Lands End to John o'
Groats without touching the ground

Where did he hide his nuts?


--
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On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 10:53:48 +0000, Dave Fawthrop wrote:

On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 10:06:02 +0000 (GMT), John Cartmell
wrote:

| In article .com,
| wrote:
| One thing thats being missed in the nuclear debate, is the cost benefit
| analysis between storing radiactive stuff in the ground for a million
| years, and storing CO2 in the atmsophere for 5 million years, where it
| will do FAR more harm.
|
| It hasn't done much harm over the last 5 million years.
|
| OK but for two minor quibbles:
|
| 1. AFAIK no-one was digging up and burning fossil fuel in large quantitiies
| prior to the last 300 years;

You must remember that 6000 years ago most of the UK was covered in
Wild Wood, where a squirrel could travel from Lands End to John o'
Groats without touching the ground

Man has been cutting down this Wild Wood for 6000-10000 years. Then
burning/allowing the wood to rot, so producing CO2. There is some
evidence in Scientific American that atmospheric CO2 has been
increasing since the beginning of agriculture. And we complain about
Brazil and the Rain Forest.

Right now AIUI the rain forest is taking up a lot of the CO2 and the
slightly increased CO2 levels are causing increased growth of forest.

--
Ed Sirett - Property maintainer and registered gas fitter.
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Choosing a Boiler FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/BoilerChoice.html

On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 11:44:20 +0000, Lobster wrote:

Dave Fawthrop wrote:

You must remember that 6000 years ago most of the UK was covered in
Wild Wood, where a squirrel could travel from Lands End to John o'
Groats without touching the ground

Man has been cutting down this Wild Wood for 6000-10000 years. Then
burning/allowing the wood to rot, so producing CO2. There is some
evidence in Scientific American that atmospheric CO2 has been
increasing since the beginning of agriculture. And we complain about
Brazil and the Rain Forest.

Ah yes but don't forget that every week, Brazil cuts down an area of
rain forest equivalent to 35 times the area of the UK...


I haven't the figures to hand but I know when something is magnitudes out.

....wikipedia...
UK 244,820 km^2
Brazil 8,547,403 km^2

Um.... Brazil is only 35 times bigger itself...

Perhaps it should be 1/35th the size of Britain each week.
That would be bad enough.


--
Ed Sirett - Property maintainer and registered gas fitter.
The FAQ for uk.diy is at http://www.diyfaq.org.uk
Gas fitting FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFitting.html
Sealed CH FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/SealedCH.html
Choosing a Boiler FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/BoilerChoice.html

In message .uk, Ed
Sirett writes
On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 11:44:20 +0000, Lobster wrote:

Dave Fawthrop wrote:

You must remember that 6000 years ago most of the UK was covered in
Wild Wood, where a squirrel could travel from Lands End to John o'
Groats without touching the ground

Man has been cutting down this Wild Wood for 6000-10000 years. Then
burning/allowing the wood to rot, so producing CO2. There is some
evidence in Scientific American that atmospheric CO2 has been
increasing since the beginning of agriculture. And we complain about
Brazil and the Rain Forest.

Ah yes but don't forget that every week, Brazil cuts down an area of
rain forest equivalent to 35 times the area of the UK...


I haven't the figures to hand but I know when something is magnitudes out.

...wikipedia...
UK 244,820 km^2
Brazil 8,547,403 km^2

Um.... Brazil is only 35 times bigger itself...

Perhaps it should be 1/35th the size of Britain each week.
That would be bad enough.

Excuse me, but we're using the wrong units

There are only two official units of area - the size of Wales and an
Olympic swimming pool

Still frightening, isn't it

--
geoff

Ed Sirett wrote:
On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 11:44:20 +0000, Lobster wrote:


Dave Fawthrop wrote:


You must remember that 6000 years ago most of the UK was covered in
Wild Wood, where a squirrel could travel from Lands End to John o'
Groats without touching the ground

Man has been cutting down this Wild Wood for 6000-10000 years. Then
burning/allowing the wood to rot, so producing CO2. There is some
evidence in Scientific American that atmospheric CO2 has been
increasing since the beginning of agriculture. And we complain about
Brazil and the Rain Forest.

Ah yes but don't forget that every week, Brazil cuts down an area of
rain forest equivalent to 35 times the area of the UK...



I haven't the figures to hand but I know when something is magnitudes out.


Ed, you snipped my [/clarkson]...

The UK and N. Europe are the Saudi Arabias of rain.

If you could harness THAT power you'ld ge all set.


Bret Cahill

Bret Cahill wrote:

The UK and N. Europe are the Saudi Arabias of rain.

If you could harness THAT power you'ld ge all set.


Bret Cahill


Hay Bret,, they call that hydro electric,, that's what dams are for :-)

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